The white boy vs. the afro-centric, recently converted, media golden boy.
Chuvalo's promoter, ran a local butcher shop-

This story has always been a favorite.
This sifter's opinion, Chuvalo was the only man come close, to undermining the determination and influence, of self-serving promoters.

I don't want to argue with you about Ali being the "Golden Boy", but the fact that you can even write that last sentence, choggie, and not be completely inaccurate, speaks volumes about the damage that politics and other such nonsense have done to the sport.

Still, the whole "styles win fights" debate comes into play here...Chuvalo had the heart, but that's unfortunately not the only factor when it comes to punching other men in the head.

A great moment in history, nonetheless.

Agreed, I always pick the underdog, and can't stand Ali's brand of uncle tom, nor his affiliation by convenience, with the Nation of Islam, at the time at which he did it-

He's not looking to sincere, considering the political climate and media influence, when he made the move. He was used, chuvalo was an honest, formidable opponent, who would have won if the match was judged on integrity.

Cassius Clay sounds better, anyway-Also:

When one changes their name, dig a little, you'll more often thatn not find a fugitive from justice, or a confused soul.

oh and by the way, fellow sifter, it seems you already have an opinion of my motivation, temperment, personality type, and entilligent kwotient, so, completely wrong, GFY...wait, I don't mean to be so rude......yes I do!

*shrug*, I purposefully avoided all outside factors when commenting on the fight. It's a sport. Political climate, media influence, religious beliefs, none of that crap should come into play because it has nothing to do with the abilities of the athletes themselves. All else is an insult to the two men's abilities as boxers, nothing more. Ali outboxed Chuvalo. The two men were fighters, and Chuvalo had the heart, but not the game plan. Or did you not see the part where he walked in making like a tank without any bobbing, slipping, or weaving whatsoever?

As to name changes...I prefer not to make broad, sweeping generalizations when it comes to things like that. I simply called Ali by the name most people would recognize him by.

And as for my judgement of you...well, actually, I hadn't formed any opinions about you up until this last comment, except possibly on your ability to communicate your thoughts effectively over the internet. But now...well, I can honestly tell you that my feelings are hurt and I just may go have a good cry in the corner over this, then we can be two drama queens in a pod. Oh, wait...nope.

Dammit, ya figured out part of it-we's all a buncha' acting and reacting fleshbots-
I can't stand Ali's vibe, he's bout the coolest to watch, and never missed his fights whilst growing up-he's who he is, no foul is called on anything but his ego-

still, i must admit to the same smug, pedestal position, and it may come to fist to cuffs, to determine who sits near the beak sharpener....love and forgivness, peace and understanding, now, GFY
(good for you)

cassius is in the house

reading again, yeah it should just be about the skills and the game, but it never is-big money involved, politics can't be ignored-Cassius Clay used, and was used, more power to him-But the compromise came, when he allowed the Nation of Islam, to use his uncle-tommin' ass-(mind you, not as bad as say, Louis "yassah massah" Armstrong), but still, compromise-Chuvalo was pure-and is still, a winner, alive and kickin' and trivin'-
GO Chuvalo-The winner of the Race!

Tags changed from "chuvalo,clay,ali,favoritism,23, 23rd" to "chuvalo, clay, ali, boxing, 23, 23rd" by gold star member James Roe.

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thanx bot, sqeaky-wheeled sifters get the greasin', and let this be added.....
the fight is what is was-two greats together, regardless of whoever used them to do it, thats the nature of a cash cow,...scavengers...pulpits are created of there is not one in place, to hawk the goods..if time machines were affordable, one could become a fan, who bites an ear off, to stirr up some pulp, and make ol' mikey think twice!

Don't get to see old school like that all the time!

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