Christopher Hitchens' Address to the AA Convention 2011

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Christopher Hitchens' cancer has progressed to the point where he does not have the use of his voice, so he was unable to speak at the AAC. I thought his address was an eloquent statement of his position, and a hopeful message for a secular person.
Gallowflaksays...

>> ^shinyblurry:

this is the damned speaking to the damned..find hope in no hope! when his spirit leaves his body he is going to be utterly fucking terrified


If his spirit leaves his body, I'm sure he'll be overjoyed at the prospect of continuing his existence. He just doesn't think it will.

It isn't enough that something might be nice if it were true. Not for him, not for me, not for any decent individual with a modicum of moral or emotional courage. It's about the truth; our quest to discover it, to determine it, and establish a method that can overcome our inherent bias and approach rational objectivity.

I say that, if there is an aspect of divinity to the universe, either present within it or responsible for producing it, it would be impossible to connect with it via any of our manmade religious texts. I do not entirely reject the possibility of a god, but I do entirely reject the idea that the Bible, for example, contains any more metaphysical truth than the Vedas.

Stop nagging, dude.

shinyblurrysays...

Either the truth is available to you or it isn't. If you go all the way to death without ever finding it, it either suggests there is no truth, it doesn't matter..or, the third option that most "educated" people cannot accept..that they missed it...or even..that they rejected it. Jesus told us that He is that truth, the one that gives forgiveness for sins and grants eternal life. If He is real then anyone has access to the truth at any time, no matter who or where they are.

God says the reason people reject Him is because they don't want to be personally accountable to Him. Well, that's what atheists like Hitchens have said all along. They don't agree with a higher power having an authority over them; the very idea is offensive to them. Yes, I know atheists aren't supposed to technically believe in God, but strangely they seem to hate Him all the same. In any case, this rebellion could only ever be short lived. The party is over when the check is due.

I'm not nagging, I am just providing some perspective on this message..which goes something like

"Don't worry everyone! You're gonna die forever, it's gonna be okay!"

He is going to rail against God to the bitter end. I just feel sorry for his brother who has to watch this knowing what he does.

>> ^Gallowflak:
>> ^shinyblurry:
this is the damned speaking to the damned..find hope in no hope! when his spirit leaves his body he is going to be utterly fucking terrified

If his spirit leaves his body, I'm sure he'll be overjoyed at the prospect of continuing his existence. He just doesn't think it will.
It isn't enough that something might be nice if it were true. Not for him, not for me, not for any decent individual with a modicum of moral or emotional courage. It's about the truth; our quest to discover it, to determine it, and establish a method that can overcome our inherent bias and approach rational objectivity.
I say that, if there is an aspect of divinity to the universe, either present within it or responsible for producing it, it would be impossible to connect with it via any of our manmade religious texts. I do not entirely reject the possibility of a god, but I do entirely reject the idea that the Bible, for example, contains any more metaphysical truth than the Vedas.
Stop nagging, dude.

petpeevedsays...

When you were a kid, did you ever play that game telephone where the first kid whispers a sentence into the ear of the kid next to them who then repeats it into the ear of the next kid and on and on until the last kid says the sentence out loud?

It was always quite hilarious how mangled a sentence could get by the time it passed through five or six kid's brains.

Organized religion and their 'holy' books are just a much longer game of telephone except that the people passing the message have political, financial, and personal reasons for altering the message.

Even if, and this is an infinitely huge if, at one time 'the word' of a god was spoken to a human being, what are the chances that two thousand years later, that message bears any resemblance to the original?

shinyblurrysays...

Because we have the early manuscripts and we know what they looked like. The oldest and the newest have very few discrepencies.

>> ^petpeeved:
When you were a kid, did you ever play that game telephone where the first kid whispers a sentence into the ear of the kid next to them who then repeats it into the ear of the next kid and on and on until the last kid says the sentence out loud?
It was always quite hilarious how mangled a sentence could get by the time it passed through five or six kid's brains.
Organized religion and their 'holy' books are just a much longer game of telephone except that the people passing the message have political, financial, and personal reasons for altering the message.
Even if, and this is an infinitely huge if, at one time 'the word' of a god was spoken to a human being, what are the chances that two thousand years later, that message bears any resemblance to the original?

Truckchasesays...

The fact that you can't live without the concept of "daddy" doesn't make your cult nonsense real.

BTW,(title comment) given the Hitch's appreciation of the booze, I was very interested to see what he had to say to Alcoholics Anonymous. I am disappoint.

>> ^shinyblurry:

Either the truth is available to you or it isn't. If you go all the way to death without ever finding it, it either suggests there is no truth, it doesn't matter..or, the third option that most "educated" people cannot accept..that they missed it...or even..that they rejected it. Jesus told us that He is that truth, the one that gives forgiveness for sins and grants eternal life. If He is real then anyone has access to the truth at any time, no matter who or where they are.
God says the reason people reject Him is because they don't want to be personally accountable to Him. <SNIP>

shinyblurrysays...

No one can live without God..have fun trying though.

>> ^Truckchase:
The fact that you can't live without the concept of "daddy" doesn't make your cult nonsense real.
BTW,(title comment) given the Hitch's appreciation of the booze, I was very interested to see what he had to say to Alcoholics Anonymous. I am disappoint.
>> ^shinyblurry:
Either the truth is available to you or it isn't. If you go all the way to death without ever finding it, it either suggests there is no truth, it doesn't matter..or, the third option that most "educated" people cannot accept..that they missed it...or even..that they rejected it. Jesus told us that He is that truth, the one that gives forgiveness for sins and grants eternal life. If He is real then anyone has access to the truth at any time, no matter who or where they are.
God says the reason people reject Him is because they don't want to be personally accountable to Him. <SNIP>


Truckchasesays...

>> ^shinyblurry:

No one can live without God..have fun trying though.
>> ^Truckchase:
The fact that you can't live without the concept of "daddy" doesn't make your cult nonsense real.
BTW,(title comment) given the Hitch's appreciation of the booze, I was very interested to see what he had to say to Alcoholics Anonymous. I am disappoint.
>> ^shinyblurry:
Either the truth is available to you or it isn't. If you go all the way to death without ever finding it, it either suggests there is no truth, it doesn't matter..or, the third option that most "educated" people cannot accept..that they missed it...or even..that they rejected it. Jesus told us that He is that truth, the one that gives forgiveness for sins and grants eternal life. If He is real then anyone has access to the truth at any time, no matter who or where they are.
God says the reason people reject Him is because they don't want to be personally accountable to Him. <SNIP>


You gonna break that news to every animal on earth or should I?

TheGenksays...

>> ^Truckchase:

BTW,(title comment) given the Hitch's appreciation of the booze, I was very interested to see what he had to say to Alcoholics Anonymous. I am disappoint.

But the max title character length prevented me from making it clearer.

Sorry

GenjiKilpatricksays...

You're the only one utterly terrified here.

You're utterly terrified of what will happen to you in the moments of your death.
You want to live forever.
That's why you believe so hard in your precious fairy tale ending afterlife.

If proof that no gods existed was confirmed this day, multiple times..
(Or something worse, like proof that Allah existed and was the one true god)

You would breakdown crying hysterically.
>> ^shinyblurry:

this is the damned speaking to the damned..find hope in no hope! when his spirit leaves his body he is going to be utterly fucking terrified

Fraxtsays...

Hey, ya'll. I'm the truth. I wrote it in a book. And you all should send me money. Immediately. To my bank account in Ethiopia. I'm gonna buy lots of rice, ya'll, and feed all the hungry people and...

Actually, I've changed my mind. I'm just going to kill everyone in a flood. F you. Now send me my tithe.

Fraxtsays...

Hey, ya'll. I'm the truth. I wrote it in a book. And you all should send me money. Immediately. To my bank account in Ethiopia. I'm gonna buy lots of rice, ya'll, and feed all the hungry people and...

Actually, I've changed my mind. I'm just going to kill everyone in a flood. F you. Now send me my tithe.

Fraxtsays...

Hey, ya'll. I'm the truth. I wrote it in a book. And you all should send me money. Immediately. To my bank account in Ethiopia. I'm gonna buy lots of rice, ya'll, and feed all the hungry people and...

Actually, I've changed my mind. I'm just going to kill everyone in a flood. F you. Now send me my tithe.

shinyblurrysays...

Actually, I pretty much accepted the idea of death when I was agnostic. The reason I believe in God is because I know He is real, not because I'm afraid of death. I wasn't afraid of it then and I'm certainly not afraid of it now. I do what I do for God because it's what is right. You're wasting all of your time here, missing the entire point to life, which is to live a life pleasing to God so you are worthy of eternal life with Him.

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:
You're the only one utterly terrified here.
You're utterly terrified of what will happen to you in the moments of your death.
You want to live forever.
That's why you believe so hard in your precious fairy tale ending afterlife.
If proof that no gods existed was confirmed this day, multiple times..
(Or something worse, like proof that Allah existed and was the one true god)
You would breakdown crying hysterically.
>> ^shinyblurry:
this is the damned speaking to the damned..find hope in no hope! when his spirit leaves his body he is going to be utterly fucking terrified


bareboards2says...

I am very sad that shinyblurry has chosen to show up on this particular vid.

I would much rather this be a place where we honor Hitchens without that background noise.

Although -- Hitchens fought his whole life against this kind of noise. Fighting it here, in his honor, is perhaps fitting.

Thanks for posting this vid.

swedishfriendsays...

Mr. Hitchens!!! Cannabis cures cancer! You don't have to die, yet anyway! Dozens of studies prove this to be true! The mechanism by which it works is well understood. How do we get this message to Mr. Hitchens?

swedishfriendsays...

shinyblurry was agnostic but somehow got indisputable proof that God is real... I cannot think of anything God could do or say that would prove to me that it is the one and only God doing or saying any particular thing. Shinyblurry please wow me!

shinyblurrysays...

These are the words which are trustworthy and true, that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who came to Earth as a man to be a sacrifice for the remission of sins, that anyone who should believe in Him will be forgiven and obtain eternal life.

Just as one sin caused the entire creation to fall and brought death into the world, likewise does one sin place you under Gods judgement and gives you the assurance of a just verdict: guilty. Not one sin will be forgiven apart from Jesus, and by no means will the wicked (this means you) ever enter the Kingdom of Heaven. There is no one good, not one, for all have fallen short.

No human is capable of living up to Gods law, so God made a provision through His Son that anyone who comes to Him will obtain forgiveness and be declared not guilty. For faith in Jesus is accounted to the one who has it as righteousness. For the wages of sin is death but Gods gift is eternal life.

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