See, this is the stuff that make me disbelief any god people have dreamed up on our little blue dot. Their god is so small, so confined to our tiny planet that it in turn is insignificant compared to displays like this. Compared to the majesty of entire stars and galaxies erupting into life, swirling in the cosmic void, and being devoured by forces we don't even fully understand, the universe is grander, more complex, and more beautiful than any religion in humanity's short history.

om nom nom nom..

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I can't believe they are using jerky cam on astronomy cgi. I have to admit it does the job as usual, adding 20% more realism to any footage. Eventually we will get jaded of this film technique. It will be the 21st century's laugh track.

>> ^Simple_Man:
See, this is the stuff that make me disbelief any god people have dreamed up on our little blue dot. Their god is so small, so confined to our tiny planet that it in turn is insignificant compared to displays like this. Compared to the majesty of entire stars and galaxies erupting into life, swirling in the cosmic void, and being devoured by forces we don't even fully understand, the universe is grander, more complex, and more beautiful than any religion in humanity's short history.


Well said.

I'm not entirely sure people grasp the scale of this thing. This is immensely huge and immensely "slow" because of the size. Like he said, it will take millions of years for this to happen. While the star is being devoured civilizations could be built up from nothing and collapsed again, without ever noticing it. *timeshift

The feeding super massive black hole is called a quasar, no? Quasars are awesome.

Adding video to channels (Timeshift) - requested by gwiz665.

"As the candy hearts poured into the fiery quasar a wondrous thing happened, why not? They vaporised into a mystical love radiation that spread across the universe destroying many many planets, including two gangster planets and a cowboy world. But one planet was at exactly the right distance to see the romantic rays, but not be destroyed by them. Earth!

So all over the world couples stood together in joy. And me, Zoidberg! And no one could have been happier unless it would have been Valentines Day. What? It was? Hooray!"

That is scary.

pffft...i can do that



jk. the universe is indescribable...too beautiful for our eyes and language to interpret

>> ^Simple_Man:
See, this is the stuff that make me disbelief any god people have dreamed up on our little blue dot. Their god is so small, so confined to our tiny planet that it in turn is insignificant compared to displays like this. Compared to the majesty of entire stars and galaxies erupting into life, swirling in the cosmic void, and being devoured by forces we don't even fully understand, the universe is grander, more complex, and more beautiful than any religion in humanity's short history.


I suppose that would depend on how "big" you imagine God to be. Your disposition tells me you think very lowly of any god. It's a matter of perspective. You see something much too grand and marvelous for any god to have a hand in. I see something much too grand and marvelous for God NOT to have a hand in.

Isn't this a bit misleading? I mean, a feeding black hole would still be black in any format that we could define black or white within. Ie. eyesight. And even the radiation that does "emit" from a black hole which we may see with instrumentation comes from virtual particles around the event horizon.

So you'd see light swirling into the centre, but at the event horizon you'd see "black".

Right? Am i a nerd? Am i a wrong nerd? Cos that'd be even worse.

Black holes are some of the most fascinating objects in the universe and yet pretty much impossible to study. All we can say is "yes, some very heavy object appears to be somewhere there" but it holds so many secrets about the fundamentals of physics that we can never even come close to with our particle accelerators on Earth. Our only chance to find the truth might be mathematics

Oh great, a Black Hole with the "Star Squirts" -- I warned it against eating Mexico!

I have trouble reconciling the simplistic cognitive models used by bronze age gods with sophisticated phenomena like portrayed in this video, but maybe it depends on to which god one subscribes.

>> ^smooman:
>> ^Simple_Man:
See, this is the stuff that make me disbelief any god people have dreamed up on our little blue dot. Their god is so small, so confined to our tiny planet that it in turn is insignificant compared to displays like this. Compared to the majesty of entire stars and galaxies erupting into life, swirling in the cosmic void, and being devoured by forces we don't even fully understand, the universe is grander, more complex, and more beautiful than any religion in humanity's short history.

I suppose that would depend on how "big" you imagine God to be. Your disposition tells me you think very lowly of any god. It's a matter of perspective. You see something much too grand and marvelous for any god to have a hand in. I see something much too grand and marvelous for God NOT to have a hand in.


When I mention god or religion, I mean the major denominations that people segment themselves into. In that context, how can anyone deny me claiming their god is insignificant? The very idea of a personal god, watching over our tiny planet, personally involving themselves in our affairs is arrogant in nature. It's the same type of arrogance that leads to the ideas like geocentrism, and that our existence is somehow privileged and special. I'd sooner recognize a deist god than any mainstream religion.

If I wanted to see a video of Delta Burke eating a ham sandwich, I'd look through my collection. Upvote anyway.

>> ^dannym3141:
Isn't this a bit misleading? I mean, a feeding black hole would still be black in any format that we could define black or white within. Ie. eyesight. And even the radiation that does "emit" from a black hole which we may see with instrumentation comes from virtual particles around the event horizon.
So you'd see light swirling into the centre, but at the event horizon you'd see "black".
Right? Am i a nerd? Am i a wrong nerd? Cos that'd be even worse.


You're a right nerd

The black hole itself - the area inside the event horizon - would be black indeed. What we do see is light generated by the accretion disc: the matter swirling around the black hole, orbiting it in ever decreasing circles until it falls in. Now, as it circles, the material gets ferociously hot through friction, emitting visible light and x-rays and stuff. It's also under huge pressures, enough in many cases (maybe all, I don't remember) to initiate nuclear fusion, which of course will produce plenty of light and heat too.

The causes of the polar jets shown in the animation are complex and not fully understood, but they are composed of ejected matter from the accretion disc, not from the black hole itself. The virtual particle phenomenon you mentioned (as I'm sure you know) is called Hawking radiation. This is when pairs of virtual particles to come into being at the event horizon. In some cases one lucky particle out of a pair will be travelling in just the right way to fly off into space, while its partner falls into the hole. It would therefore seem to an observer that the black hole had emitted a particle. Groovy.

>> ^dag:
I can't believe they are using jerky cam on astronomy cgi. I have to admit it does the job as usual, adding 20% more realism to any footage. Eventually we will get jaded of this film technique. It will be the 21st century's laugh track.


I was SOOO thinking exactly that! I mean its obviously a recreation why pretend theres a helicopter filming it the sound of the lawa flowing was acceptable tho

The first fly around and back towards the black hole when it gets really close (:50) actually made me irrationally nervous, like looking over a ledge when you are totally safe. I agree that the jerky cam was a great influence to convince my brain this was scary.

Maybe I watched Stargate too many times where the open gate got too close to the black hole and SG1 had to do their thing again. Where is Sam when I need her ... Uh and those three guys too of course.

I see a star.

Does this make the black hole the guest star?

http://www.hulu.com/watch/19896/the-simpsons-holy-macaroni

Only the last 10 seconds need apply

galactic carnivores

>> ^Simple_Man:
See, this is the stuff that make me disbelief any god people have dreamed up on our little blue dot. Their god is so small, so confined to our tiny planet that it in turn is insignificant compared to displays like this. Compared to the majesty of entire stars and galaxies erupting into life, swirling in the cosmic void, and being devoured by forces we don't even fully understand, the universe is grander, more complex, and more beautiful than any religion in humanity's short history.


And if you realize that the video that made you drift into these conclusions is the communicative product of human speculation about the real event, than you may also realize that the human imagination is also grander than the notion of god, being able to invent and project notions and events that surpass us.

Fake.

The universe is only 6000 years old. All the light from so-called galaxies and the rest of the universe was created solely for our amusement and is nothing more than a distraction. It isn't real. It is simply there to keep us busy until the day of rapture, where those who are 'chosen' will the magically transported into an alternate universe where they can live in happy la-la land on solidified cloudtops for the rest of eternity, grow a set of wings, and fly like birds oblivious of all physical laws, aerodynamics, gravity, and be without anuses... as we'll never need to eat or poop material from the physical plane of existence again...

Meanwhile the rest of you non-believers get to be sucked up and eaten by a real black hole along with the rest of the solar system. All black holes ultimately lead to one big highly compressed lake of fire. As fire cannot exist in aqeuous form, it is more like supercompressed plasma... rather than fire and brimstone as most might assume.

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
>> ^dannym3141:
Isn't this a bit misleading? I mean, a feeding black hole would still be black in any format that we could define black or white within. Ie. eyesight. And even the radiation that does "emit" from a black hole which we may see with instrumentation comes from virtual particles around the event horizon.
So you'd see light swirling into the centre, but at the event horizon you'd see "black".
Right? Am i a nerd? Am i a wrong nerd? Cos that'd be even worse.

You're a right nerd
The black hole itself - the area inside the event horizon - would be black indeed. What we do see is light generated by the accretion disc: the matter swirling around the black hole, orbiting it in ever decreasing circles until it falls in. Now, as it circles, the material gets ferociously hot through friction, emitting visible light and x-rays and stuff. It's also under huge pressures, enough in many cases (maybe all, I don't remember) to initiate nuclear fusion, which of course will produce plenty of light and heat too.
The causes of the polar jets shown in the animation are complex and not fully understood, but they are composed of ejected matter from the accretion disc, not from the black hole itself. The virtual particle phenomenon you mentioned (as I'm sure you know) is called Hawking radiation. This is when pairs of virtual particles to come into being at the event horizon. In some cases one lucky particle out of a pair will be travelling in just the right way to fly off into space, while its partner falls into the hole. It would therefore seem to an observer that the black hole had emitted a particle. Groovy.


Hooray!

>> ^Simple_Man:
See, this is the stuff that make me disbelief any god people have dreamed up on our little blue dot. Their god is so small, so confined to our tiny planet that it in turn is insignificant compared to displays like this. Compared to the majesty of entire stars and galaxies erupting into life, swirling in the cosmic void, and being devoured by forces we don't even fully understand, the universe is grander, more complex, and more beautiful than any religion in humanity's short history.


In some respects, science has far surpassed religion in delivering awe. How is it that hardly any major religion has looked at science and concluded, "This is better than we thought! The Universe is much bigger than our prophets said, grander, more subtle, more elegant. God must be even greater than we dreamed"? Instead they say, "No, no, no! My god is a little god, and I want him to stay that way."

-Carl Sagan

>> ^smooman:
>> ^Simple_Man:
See, this is the stuff that make me disbelief any god people have dreamed up on our little blue dot. Their god is so small, so confined to our tiny planet that it in turn is insignificant compared to displays like this. Compared to the majesty of entire stars and galaxies erupting into life, swirling in the cosmic void, and being devoured by forces we don't even fully understand, the universe is grander, more complex, and more beautiful than any religion in humanity's short history.

I suppose that would depend on how "big" you imagine God to be. Your disposition tells me you think very lowly of any god. It's a matter of perspective. You see something much too grand and marvelous for any god to have a hand in. I see something much too grand and marvelous for God NOT to have a hand in.


Douglas Adams: "Isn't it enought to see that the garden is beautiful without having to believe there are faires at the bottom of it too?"

Science! true daughter of Old Time thou art!
Who alterest all things with thy peering eyes.
Why preyest thou thus upon the poet's heart,
Vulture, whose wings are dull realities?
How should he love thee? or how deem thee wise,
Who wouldst not leave him in his wandering
To seek for treasure in the jewelled skies,
Albeit he soared with an undaunted wing?
Hast thou not dragged Diana from her car?
And driven the Hamadryad from the wood
To seek a shelter in some happier star?
Hast thou not torn the Naiad from her flood,
The Elfin from the green grass, and from me
The summer dream beneath the tamarind tree?

I have a hard time believing this is anything but a fiction derived by some scientist. While I would like to and do believe that such things exist, it seems to go against my (granted) model of the universe as expanding and therefore unlikely that black holes would cross paths with anything. I mean, the past of a black hole is a star itself, right? Unless the stars were in a "system" together it seems unlikely that the two should ever meet. And if they were in a "system" together wouldn't the formation of the one take out the other in the process? Does a black hole's position continue to expand with the rest of the universe or does it remain fixed where it formed? If it stays fixed, again, I could see where another system might pass by it. Still, on the whole, something we are unlikely to witness in our speck of existence in this universe, relatively speaking...

im totally hot for this

>> ^peggedbea:
im totally hot for this


It is kind of sensual, in that armageddon sort of way.

Spoon, things move in space. The milkyway is also moving. Theres a chance in the next several million years another galaxy could collide with us. keep in mine the destruction of that star will last a very, very long time.

Im interested in why its spewing out parts of the star from the center like that. It's not like a black hole has limitations.. it IS a singularity, everything that is known to us should have no problem being swallowed into it.

>> ^dannym3141:
Isn't this a bit misleading? I mean, a feeding black hole would still be black in any format that we could define black or white within. Ie. eyesight. And even the radiation that does "emit" from a black hole which we may see with instrumentation comes from virtual particles around the event horizon.
So you'd see light swirling into the centre, but at the event horizon you'd see "black".
Right? Am i a nerd? Am i a wrong nerd? Cos that'd be even worse.


Not sure if someone else has responded yet, but technically, a feeding black hole would still be black, sure... but it would be impossible to see the black part. You would have to get to the event horizon itself to see anything, and by that time you'd no longer be part of this universe. So... really, you may be technically correct... but the hole extends out past the event horizon... once something starts falling into the gravity well, it is "in the hole" as it were.