Fucking scumbags.

If you vote GOP, you should either STFU for the next decade, or drink a glass of oil for every time Sarah Palin has said drill-baby-drill.

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I love how this switches halfway from covering the consequences of the spill to "FUCK YEAH! EXPLOSIONS!"

I'd like to share a revelation that I’ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species, and I realised that humans are not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment; but you humans do not. Instead you multiply, and multiply, until every resource is consumed. The only way for you to survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern... a virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer on this planet, you are a plague...

>> ^volumptuous:

Fucking scumbags.
If you vote GOP, you should either STFU for the next decade, or drink a glass of oil for every time Sarah Palin has said drill-baby-drill.


Get over the two sides story that shit is dead, both sides take oil money and it is a fact. The two side is only there for you to bicker about how your side is removed from all evil; when in actuality it is just there to separate you from others. Divide and conquer. If we continue to play this game they (corporations) will win.

But we have always been at war with Eurasia?

>> ^NobleOne:

Get over the two sides story that shit is dead, both sides take oil money and it is a fact. The two side is only there for you to bicker about how your side is removed from all evil; when in actuality it is just there to separate you from others. Divide and conquer. If we continue to play this game they (corporations) will win.

Actually, we are more like comets and volcanos, our stuff is explosive! Virus smirus!

>> ^GuyFawkes:

I'd like to share a revelation that I’ve had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species, and I realised that humans are not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment; but you humans do not. Instead you multiply, and multiply, until every resource is consumed. The only way for you to survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern... a virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer on this planet, you are a plague...

There's plenty of examples of the media pulling things just to keep the status quo or by receiving pressure from the system they serve. However does anyone know if there's a direct correlation between BP and CBS? You don't have to prove a direct correlation to prove that this was done to protect BP, however it would be more damning if there was one.

>> ^NobleOne:

>> ^volumptuous:
Fucking scumbags.
If you vote GOP, you should either STFU for the next decade, or drink a glass of oil for every time Sarah Palin has said drill-baby-drill.

Get over the two sides story that shit is dead, both sides take oil money and it is a fact. The two side is only there for you to bicker about how your side is removed from all evil; when in actuality it is just there to separate you from others. Divide and conquer. If we continue to play this game they (corporations) will win.


I normally agree, but we are talking about direct causality here. This spill, and the Iraq invasion are both direct results of oil/energy companies colluding directly and personally with Dick Cheney in 2000 & 2001.

There's a major difference between accepting lobbyist donations, and colluding to wreak havoc on the planet and its humans.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Cheney_Energy_Task_Force
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,198862,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Task_Force
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/15/AR2005111501842.html
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/06/dick-cheney-bp-spill

be sure and watch part 2 also

This is more of an indictment against Cheney and less the republican party though. Wide sweeping generalizations are always wrong...errr...ya!

>> ^volumptuous:

I normally agree, but we are talking about direct causality here. This spill, and the Iraq invasion are both direct results of oil/energy companies colluding directly and personally with Dick Cheney in 2000 & 2001.
There's a major difference between accepting lobbyist donations, and colluding to wreak havoc on the planet and its humans.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Cheney_Energy_Task_Force
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,198862,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Task_Force
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/
11/15/AR2005111501842.html
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/06/dick-cheney-bp-spill

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So, lets think about this y'all. What is the primary drive of our economic system, capitalism? Profit. Profit runs our world. Corporations need profit in order to invest, creating economic growth. It was profit that caused BP to disregard safety procedures, pick up production and further exploit their workers. It was profit that caused BP to worry about collecting oil as much as they could, instead of covering the leak. It was profit that prevented BP from stopping rig early when there were clear signs of danger.

Profit, because they have to. You cannot reform capitalism's primary drive. Regulations were in place already. Its that they weren't enforced. Why? Because the regulators have been bought out by corporations. Our government is owned by corporations, the logical conclusion under capitalism.

This greed is literally destroying our planet. How much longer are we going to sit by our computer screens? Its time to get organized and take to the streets. Its time to stop this shit, because our planet wont survive.

Profit also allows this website to exist. It gives us food at a lower price, allows for people to travel the world at reasonable fairs, allows people to raise their standard of living, the widespread adoption of antibiotics, the information revolution, amazon.com, ebay, slashdot, google. All exist because of the profit motive. There is a difference between one who wants to provide a service that people want and are willing to pay for than people who conspire with governments to make sure their needs are met before all others. This isn't a problem with profits, but corruption.

@GeeSussFreeK

It's not really a problem with profit as a standalone concept, no, but you can't really talk about profit as a good or bad thing without discussing the system it is acquired in. It's more of a problem with the amount of power an individual or group has when it has vastly more money and resources than the average citizen.

Right, that is what I was trying to point out which you made much more clear

Watching the video, I don't understand how BP "owned" the oil. As far as I understand the government owns all coastal waters and BP just leases it. I think the way property and mineral rights work in the US need some slight refinement. I think it is dumb that a person can own something they do not yet have control over. Just because of the fact that you own some land, I don't think that should give you claim over things that you haven't yet cultivated from it. If we adjusted ownership claims sightly, it could give more powers to the people whom actually do the mining/making. It would place more power back into the hands of the people that do things instead of the people who buy things. I have the same kind of thoughts on intellectual property. You can't own ideas, you can only own what you do with them. In the same fashion, you can't just own the ground, you own what you do (on/in/with/from/more verbs) it. I think this slight adjustment could do great things, though I still need to work through all the logical implications (one day).

For me, that is one of the largest roles of government, defining private property. It isn't something that is an objective truth. The way that mineral rights, and intellectual rights are configured right now are horrible. They encourage large concentration of power for people who no longer produce goods, just buy ideas/property.

Though, I don't find fault with people get lots of money for something they do well, I love newegg and amazon, and have no problem with the people living the good life. I think we all find a problem with people that don't really do anything but game the system and somehow squeeze money from it without providing any real benefit, hell, even BP makes something we all need desperately. Day traders, property flippers, and the like I see as people who are found glitches in the system they are exploiting, and while there will always be such things I still think they could be mended with more clearly defining some of the base elements. The fact that BP owns the oil just due to the fact they have enough money to lease land and make more money seems off. It is like renting someone to make the money for you that you already bought.

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:

Profit also allows this website to exist.


Tell that to Dag and Lucky

hehehe, that and donations! Perhaps it is better to refer to it as revenue. (oops forgot upvote!)

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This has to be the best coverage I've seen. I can't believe that I didn't hear anything on CNN about Transocean recommending a temporary halt in production.

I had thought they were actually responsible, as the media did report that the rig was their's.

>> ^Entropy001:

This has to be the best coverage I've seen. I can't believe that I didn't hear anything on CNN about Transocean recommending a temporary halt in production.
I had thought they were actually responsible, as the media did report that the rig was their's.


Ya, it is an odd relationship for sure. BP owns the oil because of the leasing agreement with the USA. Transocean is in a bad position to argue because BP already OWNS the oil even before it is drilled. So, if Transocean causes to much headache, BP can just get someone else to drill. For all intents and purposes, BP is the boss because Transocean is just the labor portion of the equation. This situation points to some problems with the current state of mineral rights property rights. It is in about the same sate as intellectual property rights, you can have someone buy something with money, do nothing with it except exploit other people who want to do something about it. The current state of IP and MR in the US encourages people who have capital and do nothing over those who are people on the ground. And Obama shows no signs of reforming this discrepancy any time soon. Tighter regulations on oil drillers is almost part of the problem. What I mean is small time drillers who could potentially be more responsible because they are drilling where their families live do not have access to leasing rights due to larger oil companies being able to craft the regulation book in their favor; then just as easily dodge the regulations they just mandated.

You can see cases of this in the food industry as well. I recommend watching Food Inc. The FDA wanted to shut down this small time farming community that slaughtered their farm stock in the open air. The FDA claimed this wasn't sanitary. But ecological tests came back, their meat was many times more clean that meat form the major industrial meat factories. This really does seem to be the case of captured regulators, government corruption, and poor definitions of mineral rights. The problem of the oil rig exploding is just the Pandora's box if you will.

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