Uhh, Arnold is the Governator, dummy.

Water boarding might not be enough anymore, them terrorists probably prepare for that technique by now. The next step would probably be to torture the terrorist's wife and kids in front of the their eyes, right QM?

Ah, all good and well in the name of the US of A.

From now on every Jesse Ventura video must be title "Jesse Ventura body slams <fill in the blank>".

Please change this title.

"You ain't fighting for us." Ouch.

some people are complaining that jesse ventura keeps saying the same things over and over....
GOOD!
i hope he keeps getting invited to shows and KEEPS SAYING IT!
say it on the streets,from the rooftops,from inside your car,at taco bell.
who cares where you say it...just SAY IT.
waterboarding is TORTURE and it is ILLEGAL.
has anybody noticed that every defendant of "advanced interrogation" NEVER served in the military,NEVER got waterboarded,and ALWAYS use the red herring argument of the "ticking time-bomb"?cant deal with the factual implications of "legalities" so lets make shit up.......fucking pussies.

the baby-faced host never had the balls to enlist and serve his country,yet feels that it is fine and dandy to discard to rule of law for convenience.the very thing that those of us who DID have the balls to do,fought to protect.
all because he is "scared"...
well boo-fucking-hoo nancy boy!
GOD..are all neo-con tools such incredible panty-waists?
talk about your rating high on the "wussy scale"...yeesh.
thats it..im out..this subject gets me too heated.
ill let netrunner comment with his usual cool-headedness.
if i keep watching these retards defend torture anymore im punching somebody in the face.
peace.

It doesn't get old, watching him slap those Fox guys with the same argument... I can't understand why they keep inviting him on.

part 2

http://www.videosift.com/video/Jesse-Ventura-has-Fox-and-Friends-for-Breakfast

Yes, because water boarding is a violation of the 8th amendement to the US consitition:

"Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted."

Jesse is correct, in that we could use the same arguement Fox News and the GOP uses on gang members that aren't US citizens. We dont do it, because it is WRONG. The guy he argues with, should be water boarded on live TV.

He makes a final point, of, what sort of country are we? One of laws and civilty, or one of fear and paranoia?

I love your comments enoch.

I've never been a big fan of Ventura. I always thought he was a pompous prick when I was watching wrestling as a kid. Movies like Predator and Running Man didn't help that at all.

However, I doubt I could agree more with him on this issue. I wish I could shake his hand for what he's doing.

I hate Fox and Friends.

They're always regurgitate somebody else's statements.

I don't know where Jesse Ventura was going with the "talk the talk vs walk the walk" point. He's wrong there.

>> ^deedub81:
I don't know where Jesse Ventura was going with the "talk the talk vs walk the walk" point. He's wrong there.



I tend to agree with him there.

Most of the people advocating waterboarding have never experienced it, nor will they agree to experience it (Hannity?). On top of that, many of the people who are first in line to send troops overseas never serve in the military.

That is his point. It's very easy for people to talk tough about things that will never affect them.

"That is his point. It's very easy for people to talk tough about things that will never affect them."

But surely in a democracy everyone has the right to an opinion. It's no good saying you can't talk about waterboarding unless you've had it done to you, as that would mean very very few people could comment on the issue, and more importantly, neither would you or I be able to say we didn't want to see it happen again.

Having served as he has adds weight to Jesse Ventura's opinion. He's talking about things he actually understands so it's right that we listen to him, but to require someone to have walked the walk, to say that you can't voice an opinion about the forces until you've served, is to become the thing he's fighting against.

Most of the people advocating water boarding are empty headed sheep who couldn't think and tie their shoelaces at the same time.

It's immoral! In my worldview (non-religious), that means that it does more damage than good to the person or group PERFORMING the act in the long term. What goes around comes around, and I mean that in a very literal, non-karmic kind of way. The US had established itself as a high-value society, and that is gone now. That means nobody in the world is going to get upset when our citizens get captured and tortured now. We had everybody behind us after 9/11, and now we have nobody behind us.

And why did we throw away our integrity? To prop up the lies that allowed us to invade a country with vast oil reserves. That's it. No ticking bomb. No network of terrorists. Just lies upon lies, for money and transitory power.

It is so clear to me that the Bush administration could signal the imminent fall of the US as a top player on the world stage, and these so-called patriots open their mouths to spew talking points in an effort to defend it. Defending actions which could very well destroy this country from the inside out. Yeah, real patriots.

Every one of these torture apologists does the same thing when pressed. They try to deconstruct the question. They know what the answer is.

Waterboarding is torture. Torture is bad.

So instead of answering the question, and facing their own ignorance and evil in the answering of it, they attempt to deconstruct it.

What is torture? Is it really torture? Are we allowed to torture really bad people? Are we allowed to torture people that aren't military combatants? What if we just make them very uncomfortable? blahblahblah.

You know you've won a debate when your opponent immediately resorts to deconstructing your questions.

It all comes down to one point: is america really willing to do EVERYthing in order to supposedly protect itself? If yes, than in my eyes the country lost everything it stands for. That's the point of having laws: There's a written procedure on how to deal with crime etc. It is meant to stop arbitrariness [correct word?]. If you go and don't stick to your own laws anymore you give up your moral highground. Plus the people itself has no reason anymore to believe that their government will treat them right because this very government shows that rules don't apply to all or that they themselves can make exceptions whenever they feel to do so.

And to be somewhat more provocative: if you as an american reserve the right to do anything to serve your cause, then what makes you better than a terrorist? they too do have a cause that is justified in their eyes and they too are willing to do whatever they see fit. I don't see the difference. and don't say "they are killing people". the US are too.

...oh well unless of course the fact that GOD is on the US' side of course ;-)

>> ^KnivesOut:
Every one of these torture apologists does the same thing when pressed. They try to deconstruct the question. They know what the answer is.
Waterboarding is torture. Torture is bad.
So instead of answering the question, and facing their own ignorance and evil in the answering of it, they attempt to deconstruct it.
What is torture? Is it really torture? Are we allowed to torture really bad people? Are we allowed to torture people that aren't military combatants? What if we just make them very uncomfortable? blahblahblah.
You know you've won a debate when your opponent immediately resorts to deconstructing your questions.


That's a VERY good point he makes there.

Two things really piss me off here. That someone keeps bringing up the idea of a ticking time bomb, and that the whole debate over the entirety of torture has been morphed into a debate about waterboarding only, as if the other types of torture didn't take place and people who were found innocent did not die from them. That then means that people can spout off things like "well we only did it to three people" and you can bet half of the Fox audience interprets that as 'well we only tortured three people'.

It's still funny as hell to see Ventura get interviewed. Every time someone tries to talk over him he brings out his booming 'sit the fuck down' voice and they fail miserably. He lost the war of words though by being obfuscated by too many talking points

>> ^RedSky:
Two things really piss me off here. That someone keeps bringing up the idea of a ticking time bomb

Me too. I'm tired of people acting like ever since 9/11 we've been in an episode of "24". I don't believe much of what our government says so I don't believe they've ever prevented an attack in an interrogation scenario. I'm also tired of this argument:

Guest: Torturing prisoners encourages extremism.

Fox Host: What?! What are you talking about?!! What about 9/11?! Their religion tells them to kill all infidels! How do you get anymore extreme?

The fact is we are in their land and we are armed. This is the way it has been before 9/11 and the way it is to this day. If some country did this to us there are some among that would fight. I know I would. If I heard they were torturing captured prisoners and setting up checkpoints to get in and out of my neighborhood... Where's the incentive to surrender at that point?

Great. Just talk over the guest. That is good journalism.

Torture is "illegal"? So is everything tyrant Obama is doing: the out-of-control spending, nationalizing of auto makers and banks, crap-and trade eco-tyranny...

No one on the left talks about any of that, only about the made-up "rights" of a few captured terrorists.

Since torture "doesn't work" we should simply execute them. Got a problem with that?

The selective outrage of statist drones...get a new act.

The *lies! Oh, FSM, the *lies. Make these people shrivel up and go away.

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>> ^quantumushroom:
Torture is "illegal"? So is everything tyrant Obama is doing: the out-of-control spending, nationalizing of auto makers and banks, crap-and trade eco-tyranny...
No one on the left talks about any of that, only about the made-up "rights" of a few captured terrorists.
Since torture "doesn't work" we should simply execute them. Got a problem with that?
The selective outrage of statist drones...get a new act.


Is that all you got? Deflect, repeat, ignore, generalize. That's all you do. There are a lot of people that have answered every argument you bring up.

So since you can't seem to process rational discussion, just answer me one question QM:

Do you want US citizens to be tortured by enemy organizations?

I predict your answer will be deflect or ignore.

>> ^shuac:
Uhh, Arnold is the Governator, dummy.


It's Fox, waddya expect =)

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