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Angry Grandpa learns a life lesson

d3n4l1 says...

He's trying to have his cake and eat it too. He's trying to be accepting of homos, and be a bigot too. This level of piss-warm "good" performance expectation comes from communities where they teach you how to clean roadkill for dinner and wash it down with moonshine to kill what you didn't cook off right. It ain't even safe for himself, God help him.

Angry Grandpa learns a life lesson

d3n4l1 says...

Turn it off ... turn it off! The guys an a-hole. Just more homophobic now than he was before ... if you believe what redneck a-holes say.

srsly, you think he's one of the good guys now?

Jefferson Memorial Dancing on June 4 2011

d3n4l1 says...

"When you have principles, you fight for them or you lose them. Even if somebody defies your principles in a small, silly, quite understandable way, they are still defying them. You either fight, or give up."

The fight has already been won ... In Court ... For those who want to have only Quiet Reflection in the Jefferson Memorial. Before that, the war was won in a Legislative body, where a law was made by a Legislator, who was elected by a majority of a freely voting public. There was no Revolution needed. What the people want has become law, and the law has been upheld, for decades, because the people don't want it changed.

Nobody there is in the dirt, sweat, or blood making the world a better place. There are only a few well-fed children with nothing better to work on dancing. None of them are risking their lives for anything the majority of people want. Most of them probably don't even know who their congress-critter is.

Nobody said you can't dance. Just leave the guy who wants to THINK ... in peace ... in there ... and you go ... out there.

Jefferson didn't start a dance academy.

Police State: Arrested For Dancing in the Jefferson Memorial

d3n4l1 says...

Just keep in mind. Jefferson didn't free our country. Military discipline did. If some German captain hadn't come over and whipped our boys into shape in spite of the harshest conditions imaginable at Valley Forge, we would be drinking very expensive tea over this argument.

Police State: Arrested For Dancing in the Jefferson Memorial

d3n4l1 says...

Here is a little education about the borderless idiot running the show:

"Kokesh enlisted in the United States Marine Corps in 1999, while still in high school in New Mexico.[3] In 2004, he served in Fallujah.[4] Working a checkpoint was a responsibility while in Iraq.[5] He brought home a pistol from Iraq in 2004,[3] violating military rules, and preventing him from returning on a second Iraq tour.[5] Kokesh "had risen to the rank of sergeant after three-and-a-half years in the Reserves" and "was demoted to corporal and soon thereafter discharged honorably with a re-enlistment code that basically said, 'you can't re-enlist.'"[5] Having experienced combat in Fallujah, Kokesh received the Combat Action Ribbon and the Navy Commendation Medal after his honorable discharge from active duty.[6]

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After his discharge, and during a March 19, 2007, protest he attended, Kokesh was in the Individual Ready Reserve (IRR);[5] a superior officer identified him in a photo caption in the Washington Post.[7] On "March 29, a Marine major sent him an e-mail to tell him he was being investigated for misconduct by appearing at a political event in uniform. Kokesh responded, telling the major what he thought" and used an expletive in his reply, resulting in an additional misconduct charge.[5] The charges were "brought under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which applies only to service members", confusing some veterans and lawyers.[5]
[edit] Hearing

In May 2007, a hearing was convened to consider changing Kokesh's military discharge from "honorable" to "other than honorable" on two points: "Disrespect toward a Superior Commissioned Officer", and violating "Wearing of the uniform" regulation.[8][9] The panel recommended Kokesh be given a "general discharge under honorable conditions",[10] a discharge status below "honorable", and above "other than honorable".[11] Kokesh appealed the decision, and was denied."

Would the soldiers at Valley Forge appreciate your "victims" cries of "Foul" [language]?

Police State: Arrested For Dancing in the Jefferson Memorial

d3n4l1 says...

You know, there are things called scope and context. Dancing in a Memorial is not the same scope or context as what Jefferson worked for.

If you're at the Memorial to have a solemn moment or Reflection about what Jefferson did for our country, I think some moron spazzing out to his iphone doesn't fit the scope of what a "Memorial" is for, nor the context.

Can you go to the University of Virginia, walk in to any classroom, and dance? Do you have a right to do whatever you want in that context, or is there a purpose that is greater than one's rights in that space and context? Can you pull down your pants in reverence to Jefferson in his Memorial. Why the hell not? ... What is the difference? The difference is context. There are certain things we do in certain places.

self expression and protest are not what you do at a Memorial.

Did any of you or the dancers read the the court's decision? Is anyone discussing it openly? I think Jefferson would probably encourage study like that before someone makes a juvenile decision. He kinda thought people should educate themselves about issues first, ya know.

Police State: Arrested For Dancing in the Jefferson Memorial

d3n4l1 says...

Oh yeah. I get it now. I see the light!

Those dancers ... They're fighting for my right to dance! My rights have been trampled! I can't dance wherever the hell I want to ... This country is NOT Free ... DANCE FREE OR DIE!!

GIVE ME DANCE, OR GIVE ME DEATH!!1

P.S. B.S.

Police State: Arrested For Dancing in the Jefferson Memorial

d3n4l1 says...

The law they're breaking? Protesting in a Memorial. You can't protest anywhere in the parks without a permit. Everyone IS treated equally. The video itself is incriminating. It's labeled from a protest group as a protest video. It's not legal to protest without a permit in the parks.

An officer does not have to tell you what law you are breaking to arrest you. That's mythology. I know because I've been through it. It's the DA's job to figure that out. If the officer couldn't name exactly what you are being arrested for he has an attorney that will do it for him. That's why you need one too. In fact, in most places disobeying an officer is a crime. That's because police have a hard job, shitty pay, and should be respected, even if they're not articulate.

This makes it a very very bad idea to disobey an officer even if he doesn't communicate well ... but then maybe you weren't listening. In spite of the 1 in 10,000 instances that everyone hears about, the rest of the times the "dissident" loses.

If I'm at the capital I don't want my opportunity to visit sites disrupted by people, who I may or may not agree with in most general terms, breaking the Equal Rules For All concerning the management of protest traffic. You don't get to ruin innocent people's day just because you didn't get something you want. That's not being civil. If you want the rules changed you have to show that you're willing to live in the rules that do work. MLK would agree, I'm sure. Go dance outside and leave the Jefferson pilgrims the hell alone.

Yes, dancing is a visual distraction.

Police State: Arrested For Dancing in the Jefferson Memorial

d3n4l1 says...

It's a Memorial, not a Dance Hall. It's not a place for self-expression. It's a place of reverence for Thomas Jefferson.

The building is very old. Visitors can be counted in millions every year and doesn't need dancing to be appreciated. Dance outside, no one will have a problem with it; some may understand, but really, you'll just get strange looks.

It was not a dance troop. The dancing wasn't for dancing's sake, it was for protest. Again, it's not a place for political or personal expression. It's a place for reflecting on one of the greatest men that ever lived. Be silent to allow your fellow countrymen to be as mindful of Jefferson as they can in their visit. No one is there to see anyone dance, and no one is there to see anyone protest that they can't dance.

That was a truly lame. Is nothing sacrosanct?

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