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Printing this post atop the VideoSift homepage - frontpage requested by lucky760.

Hmm, I don't seem to get VS6 beta design?

Did you opt out?

Can you see it if you view a video page in a browser window while logged out?

I dont quite get it. Is this what i will continue to see as the hot page
http://videosift.com/hot
same layout as before or will this change and if so what will it look like?

Is this the complete change? Or some kind of partial change? only certain pages?

Well I don't entirely hate it, which is my usual reaction to change.

There's very little wasted space. It's much less cluttered and pretty intuitive; I thought I'd stumbled onto the mobile site by accident when I first saw it.

Not sure about the suggested videos - looks like you're just going to keep seeing the same ones from popular channels again and again. There's less space for the comments section which is surely bad. The various big buttons for facebook, twitter, etc. are garbage but I'll just adblock them. You can't see a video's channels and tags on its page or who's voted for it.

Putting a feed from the recent comments and the lounge in the discuss tab is big nifty. The minimised footer is a colossal improvement.

I'm sure some of this is just resistance to change, but...

Didn't really like any of the differences. Old style had more functionality/information/etc. in a smaller pixel footprint. If I want the video to be big, I can fullscreen it. I like the older style Top New Videos, or Upcoming Videos list with ranks and votes easily visible in a small space. The old footer was big, but had stuff (links) that I actually used or referred to spread through it, and it was easily ignorable at the bottom of the page the rest of the time.


Overall experience is sorta like going from Office 2003 to Office 2010. I can tell that it is probably still capable of doing what I want it to, but I no longer have any idea how to make that happen, and I get the definite feeling that it has been designed for a "new market", which I read as "somebody other than me".

Probably one of those signs that I'm getting old.

...Sorry @lucky760, don't take any of that too seriously. Just my first reaction.

well,i was off drifting in the ether for a bit and what do i come back to?
a super sleek and easily intuitive sift.

my personal page remains unchanged but the front page looks great!
shiny.very very shiny.

i love change.
well done lucky and those who had such great input.

Hi Lucky, I couldn't find the link to edit one of my submissions, so I clicked the opt-out button. Now I can't seem to be able to opt back in.

@eric3579 Please read the third paragraph and this post's title.

@gorillaman Thanks for the surprisingly positive feedback. That's a small victory by itself.

@MilkmanDan Thanks for being so respectful with your negative feedback. No worries at all about sharing your true reaction and thoughts. Aversion to change is expected. All I'll try to clarify is that everything isn't harder to figure out now; all the old content you're referring to is now neatly tucked centrally in the easily accessible header menu.

@enoch Thanks for the kind feedback!

@blackfox42 Whoops! The edit link is one of the things excluded accidentally. I'll work on adding it back in asap. To opt back in use the link at the bottom of this ST post body.

I tried the link you supplied above in your PS but it didn't work for me. I can't see anything in the footer on a video permalink page either sorry.

I always see 50% of waisted horizontal space on the sides on this site. Could you change

section > .content-box {
width: 980px;
to
width: 90%;

Aesthetically looks nice and is more appealing in that way.

Personally usability/navigating is what i think is an issue.
Navigating is more difficult(as in more work)
Cant just click on 'discussion' to get to recent comments like you can now(clicking on comments). Have to use the sub menu. Also 'Watch' has to use sub menu to get to a front page(although i do like 'hot' and 'just published' in the menu). Sift talk also more difficult to access. The more difficult to get to the less traffic it will see. Current drop down is much easier then having to navigate to the left hand side to get to the sub menu.

I found myself using my back browser button cos its easier when changing between front page and a video ive clicked on. Right now i don't need to do that(can just click video button)

Also change stresses me out. You know, cos i'm old

Maybe i just need a couple beers.

Pages i can't seem to find that i use/access

dead pool
find thumbnail
awards
top badges

Not my cup of tea. I liked the old format way more. Also, I can no longer see if I have voted on a comment or not/it's no longer bold if I have voted. I'll miss that.
Can someone tell me how to opt out? I don't see it. I wanna stick with the older version if I can.
I'll also miss the videos on the side and at the bottom. I often used those lists to find other videos I wanted to see. Now that's ALL gone.

Where is the list of upvoters and downvoters for each video?

Don't like the new comment text font at all(in comparison to the old text font). Just not as appealing to my eyes and brain(to busy). Look how far apart the letters are spaced in some of the comments here(larger due to comment upvotes)
http://videosift.com/video/Police-State-Too-Much-Send-in-a-Marine

The who is viewing the video now seems to be missing.

So now im finding myself opening videos by left clicking my mouse and opening 'open link it new tab' so i can avoid having to use the new sub menu to get to where i need to go. May be more difficult due to i'm just not use to it yet. Nevertheless my work around is easier for me is it just me?

@blackfox42 - Fixed that link to opt back in, so it should work for you now.

@Baristan - That sounds good in theory (and I thought so in the distant past), but in practice it makes the site effectively unusable.

@eric3579 - I know there are lots of things you (and others) were bound to have issues with. As I explained in my dissertation, that's part of the point of doing this, to hear from you all what's wrong or what's missing or what should change. For example, being unable to click a menu tab to actually go somewhere can be fixed by adding a link in the sub-menu (or something).

To you and @newtboy, a big point about all the new header content is that you can now see all that information and even more all in that one area without searching all over the page for it.

Good feedback about the font. I've changed it and I think it's much better.

The video voters and who's viewing are currently excluded, but (yet again), that's part of the point of this beta test. If everyone feels they need to be added back in, then we (meaning dag and myself or us all as a community) can consider how we should include those things. (If/when they're added back in, it'll only be for logged-in members.)

@newtboy - Not everything everyone is noticing is intended to be that way. The indication that you voted on a comment wasn't supposed to be missing. And it's fixed now.

The opt out link is in the footer of the new video page, however to you and everyone else, I'd request and encourage that you stick with the beta test for a couple of days if you can bear it to at the very least try to help us with more, fuller feedback once you've become a little more accustomed to the changes.

Thanks for the feedback so far everyone. Keep it coming.

The link above in your PS still didn't work for me, but the new one to the right of the video title does

The new look is fine overall, can see it being very useful on smaller screens, and I don't mind the video being larger in general on my pc screen. Perhaps I'm missing something, but none of the tags / channels appear to be present. That's one change I can't get behind, as I've always loved the metadata that the VS community adds to the content. Bring back the tags / channels (or make them more obvious, if I'm missing them) and v6 is good by me.

All things missing from the upper right area i always use.

*Easily viewable sift lounge(#) in upper right. How am i gonna know if anyone's in their waiting for someone to join. Removing this will kill the lounge(imo)

*No search?

*Missing the 'Hello, eric3579 (3)'
No place to jump to my profile or view my number of pps. What if i want to promote the video im on but dont know if i have pps. Will i have to navigate somewhere just to check

Lucky, any response to Gorillaman's comment about a video's missing channels and tags?

The font seems to still be a problem when its regular size its to small. http://videosift.com/video/Police-State-Too-Much-Send-in-a-Marine#comment-1846349
-edit- small issue all better,thanks


When a comment gets votes and increase font size the letters spread to far apart. Looks a mess. http://videosift.com/video/Police-State-Too-Much-Send-in-a-Marine#comment-1846085

Also prefer the old font on top of size and spacing issues. Just easier on the eyes(reading wise).

Looking forward to get a closer look - and great to get a better introduction for new users!

Everything below is my personal opinion:
Putting Light/Dark, Font Size into the footer is bad usability.
You expect people with poor eye-sight to scroll past all the text they can't read to randomly stumble on those rather small buttons.

Unless I really care about the topic, if a video has more than a couple of comments I usually don't bother scrolling all the way down. So putting any 'usability'/customization features down there would make them undiscoverable for many users.

Are channels and tags going away or just not implemented yet?

Ah, I see it now. It is only when viewing the videos not the home page.

Hmm, I am not sure if I like the SiftTalk's crowded list.

I like the fresh new modern look of it.

Dislike the chat showing as " recent comments " everything else seems peachy.

It's good to know that people want channels and tags back. As with voters and "who's viewing now," we can have a discussion about how to add those back in.

Will ponder how to display lounge users, PPs, and search.

@blackfox42 - Thanks for reminding about gorillaman's comment, which was actually about the Suggested Videos, and I'll have to ponder that as well. (It was @moonsammy who just mentioned channels and tags.)

@mxxcon - They're way down there because you're only likely to change those settings once. Furthermore, if you're not using the site enough to ever scroll to the bottom of the page, then they're of no use to you anyway. If you find them and want to use them, great. Otherwise, meh. It would be less desirable to eat up valuable real estate were it nearer the top of the page.

Something just happened when I posted a video and it's fucking cool !
Everything went super minimal (not what I see here on this page ? Am I in some kind of TV mode ?

Whatever it is cool... Love the new clean layout ! TV ready !!! About time !!!!!!!!! Whoootttt!!!!

Are you wanting to do away with channels? If not then if people can't see what channels are allocated to a submission they won't go looking very hard to verify if it's potentially missing from one.

Also, with the new format I can't see where to bookmark a submission anymore

(Sidenote: not meaning to sound negative with any of these, it's just mentioned some of it may have been accidentally overlooked, and it never hurts to ask )

@lucky760, I presume you run google analytics (or something similiar) over the site?

Would be interesting to know how different people use it.
For me, I always click on recent comments, top 15, etc. I also like seeing the top rated new comments (it often leads to the most interesting discussions).

Would also be good if pure invocation comments "dead" "ban" etc were somehow filtered out of the recent comments list.

I don't think I've ever clicked on the top 15 sifters lists on the bottom.

I also agree with @MilkmanDan re the video size. I generally watch videos full screen if I'm interested in the visual content. If it's primarily audio, it probably won't even be on the top tab.

I miss:
The channel list - maybe a menu of its own.
When watching a video - overview over and links to the channels the video belongs to.
"My Videosift" menu options, with links to my own profile, account preferences etc. This menu item should be replaced by a "log in/become member" when not logged in.
The Search bar.
More links in the new awesome About sections - "Try clicking on the various channels" should have a link, and "The Top New Videos list is always full of" should have either a link or a description "(under Watch/Top New Videos in the menu)" etc.

# of views(i'm always looking at unique views) and video length are missing

I preferred the old version of listing the age of comments over the newer one, where you have to mouse over it to see it. Just my preference.

Agreed that the channels need to be present.

Also, the placement of the vote total with the upvote and downvote arrows are placed so far at the bottom of the page (at least on Firefox) I either need to scroll down to access it to vote or I have to be very accurate with my cursor.

Adjusting that up off the "bottom" of the page (without having to scroll) would be nice to have access to. Otherwise, I could imagine videos not getting voted for at all. Which would not be good needless to say.

First page I loaded said this:

2015-02-20 02:27:19 -0800 - *E_WARNING* Division by zero /www/videosift.com/varo/core/core.video.inc (Line 4203)

My only issue with the design is the hover comes too quick. I tend to mouse around a lot, and jump tabs while watching videos and even if I am getting ready to tab out for a moment, the hover effect blocking the video sort of irritates. If it pushed the rest of the video down below the hover, that'd be okay, or a slightly longer hover, that'd be good.

Other than the hover effect, I don't mind the layout personally. Sort of a more "Theater mode", which both YouTube and Twitch offer as an option. I'd say perhaps offer this new Theater mode as the default, and if a user sets it to "normal" than allow for that (non-users get a cookie that expires quicker rather than an option setting).

I'm not going to break much new ground with the rest, most of it has been stated and I'm echoing with my own thoughts.

The loss of channels seems odd. Either put it under the submitter or under the description. Same with number of views and video length.

The who voted could be put into the hover effect over the vote counter, again with a small delay.

Perhaps time stamps on the comments.

I'm looking at this via a desktop I should note, with a 1080 screen, so the layout works so far. The vote buttons for me are in a good spot. How this works via mobile I don't know yet.

Ooooooh fancy.

The What to Post sub-tab (?) doesn't work for me, and when I click the FAQ sub-tab, I can't seem to click back to anything else on About.

I like the format though. Think it makes videos more widely shareable.

Also... the NSFW tag is missing completely on the video page itself. We at the least need the NSFW, Long and like tags showing up. (I was going to edit the original post but figured it was upvoted so seen and also this sort of deserves it's own mention.) Not sure position, but around Title and before submitter. Be it below or to the side I don't know.

Example, I clicked this from the front page http://videosift.com/video/My-Bow-Breathing and didn't notice in the main listing it was NSFW... moot point as I'm not at work or public, but had somebody just sent the link and not noted it as NSFW... and there's the issue, people getting the link to just one video itself. While the front page notes it, the video page itself is missing that important information.

Just noticed, under the Watch menu, if I actually click on the words Just Published instead of hovering my mouse, it takes me to a page suggesting I seem lost and I'm attempting to access a page that doesn't exist.

I agree with some of the comments that were already made:
- I missing seeing the channels
- I feel the hover over pop-out is too fast as well
- It feels like a lot of wasted space...its hard to describe, but things feel too big. I use everything from a tablet, to a 27 inch monitor, to a 40 inch TV to browse this site, and I on this new design, I find myself zooming out 3 or 4 times to get a 'comfortable' fit on the screen.

Most importantly, 95% of my activity on this site is opening a video from the front page, or from the "top new videos by vote" list. Then when I'm finished with that video, I quickly find another from that same list. I miss having that list ever-present on the screen. I just dont like the mouse-over pop-out. It lacks ranks and the thumbnails are too big. And it doesnt look like I can adjust the list length like I did on the 'old' design, to show 20 videos, instead of the original 10 or 15 (whatever the default was).

Lastly, I've mentioned this before to some people: I would LOVE a way to filter siftbot replies and user invocations in comments. I hate having to scroll past 8 or 9 siftbot replies, and user invocations, just to find 1 actual comment buried somewhere in there. If all someone does is comment *Down Under, and siftbot replies that its added the Down Under channel, then allow us to hide those messages.

But most importantly, I would like the ever-present Top Videos list on each page.

@blackfox42 - There was no intention to permanently remove anything really, especially not channels. The biggest thing was to get this new very slimmed down version out there for you to review. If everyone said "Meh, we don't need the channels," then maybe we wouldn't add them back in.

It's important that we hear from as many people as possible what works and doesn't work with the new layout, so to everyone, if your opinion has already been stated (e.g., "I want the channels!") please don't hold back from repeating the sentiment. The more we hear about a common opinion, the more important we know it must be.

Bookmark is currently gone, but that was intended to be put back in. It's actually good that these features are missing initially because with all the feedback I'm starting to conceive of a good way to put some or all of those things back in without turning the page into a mess again.

Yes, some things have been overlooked, so do feel free to mention them, even if someone else already has. (There's a lot to parse through and hearing the same thing multiple times also helps to reinforce the thought of it.)

Fixed the "Just Published" link. Thanks for catching that.


@ChaosEngine - We could filter out any comments with just invocations. Perhaps I'll work on that. Interesting how differently everyone watches videos.


@Zawash - Thanks for the input. It's all helpful.


@eric3579 - I have a good idea how to add things like that back in.


@brycewi19 - We'll keep that in mind.


@oritteropo - Thanks for pointing that out and the details. It was only for posts with no votes at all. Fixed now.


@RFlagg - Will look into delaying the menus from appearing. Doesn't matter if you're breaking ground. Feel free to voice your thoughts so we know if there is more of a concensus about certain issues. Love the idea of showing who voted when hovering over the vote count...

Good point about NSFW being essential. Will add it back soon.


@blahpook - Thanks for catching that. I'll work on a fix.


@Esoog - Thanks for the detailed feedback. Good stuff to consider.

I like the top menu (the level where the Videosift logo is), it's nice. Can I suggest moving everything up there rightward so it's left alligned with where the video frame begins?

Also I like how you centred the video (got rid of stuff to the side of it) and made it larger. The centred-ness goes well with my OCD

As an idea for the side bar where you currently have Suggested/Related - how about possibly canning Suggested? I feel like Top, Unsifted, 'others in channel' encapsulates it already. How about instead having the following in a browser style tabbed menu (that wouldn't reload page when you select between them):

(1) Top, (2) Unsifted (expiring + beg), (3) Related, (4) Channel (maybe a filter that you select from a drop down of all channel from most popular to least), (5) Top Comments. You could re-use the buttons style you made for the old format for selecting "light/dark" or "newest/upcoming" but larger which would be good for TV/HTPC users.

Also for consistency, how about making that side bar identical in style to the items under the "Watch" menu up top? Actually, maybe only similar, with the same style but larger font and wider like they are now?

How do we submit videos on the redesigned video web pages? Also, where are the channels? Did I miss them? For now, I opt out (how do I opt back in for later?)!

Beta Opt In right of the video title in the old format.

For the frame below the video how about dividing it into like 4 cartesian style sections. The same as now, but making the entire frame a consistent size so the left and right side are the same height. The leftover space to the right of "submitted by ..." and the "... days ago" could be used for channel tags. You could let the video title stretch rightward further to prevent it clipping over to a new line (font size could be sized to avoid clipping based on video title maximum length).

Actually, I just noticed the video description as well. Perhaps apply the same philosophy of symmetry above but incorporate the video title somehow as well.

EDIT -

Okay how about a 3x2 frame. Those bottom top are now:

(left) video description, viewing: (list of names here)... [next line]
(right) voted up: ...., [next line] voted down: ....

Both left are right side are enforced to be the same size. The viewing, voted up and voted down are clickable items that will enlarge the list to include all names, pushing the frame beyond standard size length to show all names that apply to that list. Clicking again on them will reduce size of the frame back to standard. Similarly on the left size where, if the video description is too long, it is abridged with an 'expand' at the end.

Thanks!

To optin and optout - just add ?vs6=optin or ?vs6=optout to any videosift link.

I miss the entire "my videosift" menu - my unsifted videos, my recently sifted videos, for not to mention the "submit a video" link.

And - for the video itself:
I miss not only the channels, but the tags as well - and I need the Edit This Video link - I suspect there are other admin links missing too, for those more privileged than this humble sifter.
The NSFW, Short, Long and Blocked are missing, along with the video length, who voted for/against the video, list of playlists the video is in, and links for administering the video in your own playlists.

The share icons are way too large - the channels should be there instead, big and enticing, to get sifters to explore the channels.

Please add the blocked tag back into the site. It was removed last round and its one of the most used invocations but lacking the tag. I'm sure the Canadians would appreciate it

I don't know if this is going to be beyond the scope of this redesign..

It always confused why we have "channels" and "tags", which are essentially the same thing. Can't we combine them from visual and functional point of view?

Maybe something similar to the way StackExchange handles things...Important tags(aka channels) would have icons and pre-written descriptions attached, otherwise it'll be regular tags. If possible tags will have counters to see how many other videos use it.

If tags and channels are the same ...you're doing tags wrong. That is kind of a problem on the sift. Many don't know how to do proper tags. Also many suck at channels but that's another issue entirely. Just another reason a sift wiki how to would be great. Now that would be quite the upgrade. Especially for new members.

If you have to have a wiki on how to use a video site...you're doing it wrong.

Touche, i agree, but videosift is crazy complicated for any new user to understand completely. Even veteran users don't know how many things work. VideoSift is in no way an easy site to figure out, but i personally kinda love that.

Which is why I think channels and tags should be somehow unified/simplified.
Stockholm syndrome?

and Australians

You can now submit video, Sift Talk, and poll posts within the header navigation.

The site channels and FAQ are now fully available within the header navigation, along with the Search function (which is under Watch).

Account preferences are also viewable and editable within the header, under your username which was added as a tab and when clicked that, it will take you to your profile.

Video view count, length, and NSFW/Short/Long/Blocked flags now available top-right in the page header.

The top menu item in the About menu should be something explaining what the sift is, as the first item is the information shown when mouseovering the About icon.

On a phone, the new layout looks quite nice right until you get to the bottom, and then the related and suggested vids are quite messy.

Old style (neater list) - http://imgur.com/PkJe43M
New style (messier list) - http://imgur.com/4EBq4cS

You could neaten it up either by making the thumbnails smaller, or by only displaying three instead of five videos in each list. Actually the thumbnails seem quite large even on the desktop version.

As there is no way to mouseover on a phone, could the comment timestamps be made unconditional there (or everywhere)?

What makes me switch back and forth between v6 beta and old style is missing list of voters. I would've said number of views too, but I see that's been added (thanks!).

One usability thing - the way the comment box shrinks just before you want to hit submit means you have to chase the submit button around the page. This doesn't help. Moving the controls above the textbox would fix this, although I'm sure you can think of other ways.

I'd like to see Beggar's Canyon back in the "watch" menu, although I'm also open to only having it and deadpool and no thumbs appear only on the front page. It has been used a bit less lately, but as it was initially one of my favourite starting points I feel the need to stick up for it

Only on the front page? I assume the header and sub menu will be exactly the same for all pages. Correct me if im wrong @lucky760

So put them somewhere else on the front page?

I've had a thought about displaying voters, you could click to expand the number into a list of upvotes like another popular video site does:

http://imgur.com/WYmT3cr

Clearly. Those lists aren't clickable. They're just lists with titles.

Anyway, I used to regularly check "Top 15 Sifters of the Past Week" back in the days when I was regularly in the list. I think I just liked seeing my name up in lights. Might have motivated me to sift more. Maybe not. Maybe there are only ever 15 of us who check that list.

The invocations pop-up gets cut off if it's near the bottom of the screen. This did used to happen in v5 on phones, but happening with the desktop version is new:

http://imgur.com/fDGVxnk

Some things:

1. The length of a video affects whether I feel like watching it. I'd like to see the length (in parens) added after the title of each vid, or some other way of quickly seeing how long they are.

2. Lengths on the page itself are also really helpful when fixing dead links to know the odds you've got the right one.

3. I hate mouseover menus that pop up too easily (new ones seem to pop up instantly) and ones that don't go away easily (they have a disappear delay) or change easily (they have a change delay).

I'd like these timings to be opposite:
* mouseover menus should open only after a short delay (long enough for my mouse to pass over if it was going somewhere else);
* they should change instantly to the next menu when I mouseover the next heading; <---this one especially! and * they should all close instantly when my mouse goes below the menu or above the headings bar.

As has been said many times, the top menu mouseover needs a delay. I usually have a bunch of VideoSift tabs open and navigating around causes the menus to overlap the videos.

I miss the bookmarks! I hope that's just a temporary removal.

I've added a delay to the menus so they'll only appear if you pause your mouse over a tab.

@oritteropo - Thanks for reporting. Fixed the invocation pop-up.

@Hastur - Thanks for chiming in. Bookmark functionality is going to be restored.

Sydney Syndrome.

@lucky760 - further to the message I sent you, more testing has revealed that if I try and play any video from LiveLeak while opted in, I get the message "File not found or deleted!", but if I opt out it behaves and plays as normal

Bookmarking has been restored via a pretty heart top-right in the page header.

In the mouseover menus, when I hover, the menu pops up AND a little description text pops up. This text seems unnecessary as the menu is already open and the contents can hopefully speak for themselves. If it is necessary, as it stands, it's annoying that it overlays the content of the menu, particularly the Discuss menu where the text, "Community Discussion" covers up the top comment line.

*frontpage siftbot. Changes/fixes have been great thanks @lucky760.

Printing this post atop the VideoSift homepage - frontpage requested by eric3579.

That's fixed now.

(your example)

The spacing of letters in comments that receive lots of upvotes seems way to big and makes it uncomfortable/difficult to read. Anyway of changing the letter spacing or just making all comments the regular size?
http://videosift.com/video/Guy-with-Gun-Confronts-Skateboarder-Street-Justice-Ensues

It shouldn't be doing that. What browser?

Chrome 40.0.2214.111 m (latest, I'm guessing).

Weird. Thought I fixed that. Fixed it (again).

@messenger - I was only doing it on the submenus, but the main menus will now no longer have titles. Thanks!

Will there still be a way to embed sift videos and add videos to playlists?

Also access 'dead pool', 'thumbnails wanted', 'Awards' and 'top badges' pages?

All things i use or look at. Although i may be the only one.

Also would really like to see the names of who voted up and down for each video. It's a big part of making sifters feel more part of a community imo.

@eric3579 - That's the first mention of playlists, which tells me the feature isn't being missed very much.

I think I may make all the other ancillary pages accessible via the member tab. (There's currently nothing there except your account preferences.)

FYI - If someone takes a look at the chat messages in the header siftbot will now note that fact within the lounge chat log.

Also the count of current chatters will get updated periodically, so if you're on a page for a while without reloading, the chat user count will continue to get updated.

Not so much referring to names of playlists listed under each video.

More interested in being able to add videos to my current playlist.

OK, then I'll second missing the playlists/other videos by XXXX at the bottom of the page. I have found many a video that way I never would have seen otherwise, and promoted some of them into the top 15 even though they might have been quite old.

EDIT: OK, not so much the playlists, more 'other videos by XXXXX'. I'm glad to see 'related videos' is still there.

I like the new ability to 'spy' on the lounge from any page, and the fact that it notifies those in the lounge I'm looking. That's great.

I miss playlists too, but some rather more important features are also missing... I didn't want to hassle you about the lesser features until the big ones were sorted.

I happened to click on "top users", and found that only the first entry on each page is displayed, whether logged in or out, but only if you've opted in to v6 beta.

I assume that's something to do with these changes?

Non members and not logged in members can see the chat lounge through the sub menu and obviously those are not logged into the sift lounge. I think that ability to view sift lounge through sub menu when not logged in should be removed.

Was trying out the sift on an ipad running safari and could not open up any pages in the new menu. couldn't get anything in the menu to work as in a click through.

Any feedback on my suggestions?

Also who's currently viewing video i think needs to be added back in along with who voted up and down. These things are especially important for giving the sift its community feel.

Fixed Top Users, @oritteropo.

@RedSky @eric3579 - Still lots more changes for me to work on. There are only so many hours in the day.

No worries, just thought you missed me. You're doing an awesome job!

When quoting someone in a comment, there's no space between the name and "said" in the quote box below the comment box, like, "lucky760said: ..." rather than "lucky760 said: ..."

When I click the "submit" button in a comment, it runs away from me and I have to chase it and click it again. (dupe comment, but you asked for dupes)

* When a video is marked *dead or in the dead pool there are no indicators saying so.

* Also no 'update video thumbnail' on videos which need them

* No way of viewing the backups on a video and then changing embeds out.

Just adding things to the list as i see them Sorry Lucky, I know you are swamped.

Haven't seen the latest comments (so I'll address them once I have), but just to update:

You can now see voters by hovering over a video's vote count.

I've only just now seen the new changes, so I haven't really had time to get an in-depth feel for what I like and/or don't like about it yet. I want to get over the "something is different - this is wrong"-phase before giving feedback, so it's not overly negative.

Just as an aside, I'm glad that the community is being heard on the redesign, so it can be catered to how the site is used rather than what you guys think we do.

@lucky760: Please make the comments not be a very long web page if there are so many. We're at 100 now.

Modified so once the comment field expands it'll stay expanded.

Also fixed "said."

I've added back in lots of functionality like the ability to edit videos, fix dead videos, view/activate backup embeds, display (prominently) if a video is dead, and created links for beggar's canyon, dead pool, thumbnails wanted, top users, awards, and top badges.

Most of those things now live under the member tab.

CC: @eric3579

You can now see who's viewing the post by hovering over the view count, and you can see who has the post bookmarked by hovering over the bookmark heart.

That's really good The previous member menu layout wasn't nearly as usable, and I'm VERY glad to see beggar's canyon linked.

Remaining things I'm still switching back and forth for are:

• Number of votes of my current vids (the "My Unsifted Videos" pop-up doesn't seem to have a direct equivalent yet in v6 beta).
  
• Adding vids to playlists.
  

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Not sure if this been brought up yet.

Tags
I don't see them and the ability to change them. Not all sifts are tagged properly or well enough to, i assume, make videos easily found when searching for them. Also I often click on tags as a search mechanism.

While you're addressing issues...
It would be nice to have some way of seeing who up/downvoted a comment on a touch interface. You can hover with a mouse to see it, but there's no way to do that on a phone/tablet.

Not really sure how you'd solve it though.

@blackfox42

@ChaosEngine Things that require hover on desktop work the same way by tapping in mobile.

@eric3579 - Ah, yes. Tags are still needed, as are channels and playlists.

The opt in and opt out buttons, easily accessible on each page, are extremely helpful for comparison and makes me much more willing to view, and attempt to more use/explore the new design. Good call Lucky

Overall I like the layout. The hidden menus are slick. I'd like to see the voting buttons a smidge more prominent. I had to look around to find them (and did) but that something I was looking for. It should be super duper clear to a new user that this is an iterative site--to help get them engaged. I'd like to see the FAQ more prominent somehow.

And just as was already pointed out, tags? Where did they go? Are they off with the Channels enjoying a picnic? I can see neither.

Basically I'll throw in my opinion, which is really just to parrot someone else's... I'm guessing me and @eric3579 have fairly close to the same layout--screen wise (size or perspective), resolution wise, and so on. Since I have the same issues and concerns eric has (like channels and other "inclusions" a video belongs in). Right now it is harder to find some of the details for the videos posted--or they need to be in a more simpler and easier to access spot (but, as noted--this may be due to a size/resolution issue; since I don't know if everything scales correctly yet); which makes me hesitant to make any changes to any videos. But, as noted (and as I found out later on) the opt-in opt-out buttons are found nearby, allowing me to figure out what I need to, until we decide on a fully finished product.

One question I might ask is, does the new site--as of right now--already scale correctly no matter what resolution you are at? So if you go WAY up into the "4K" range, will the site look really bizarre (I know that there will already be far more "space"; but, is it setup right now to arrange all the site items to display in their correct positions)? Inversely, for a long time cellphones were forcing site admins to create a mobile edition of their website(s); but, thanks to smartphones (plus their fast CPUs, and 1080p screens) this is being phased out.

Keep chomping at the bit @lucky760; I'm sure with our feedback and your willingness to get this finished so quickly will indeed help us get more than likely a bit of what we all want out of this (making the community as a whole basically happy with the finished product; and as mentioned, hopefully helping newer users). Keep up the good job.

I've added tags and channels back in.

I've had trouble trying to find a way to reinsert them in a subtle way that won't clutter the place up but will still be easily accessible.

After contemplating lots of options what I came up with was just putting them below the byline but minimally, with smaller text and semi-transparent until you hover over the video's meta info box.

Thoughts on my solution and other possible, possibly better solutions requested. (I'm not super-keen on what I came up with and wish there was something less messy.)

So today i checked out a brand new viral video site and realized one of the first things i wanted to do was search. Im always using search on reddit and yt. I really think its a necessity to have a search bar or icon permanently on the the top header and not in the sub menu. Especially for newer members who haven't figured out exactly how to get around the site. Search is always a go to i find when i visit a video site for the first time. I know what im getting when i do a search opposed to unfamiliar menus.

So i found where the backups are but when i click to view it, it opens the sifted video(not the backup) and the options is to replace current video with backup. No way of viewing backup first.
http://videosift.com/video/Everything-Is-Awesome-Oscars-2015-LEGO-Movie-Oscar-Performan

Thanks for catching that. All fixed!

@lucky760 this is a bit weird. I'm not sure if this is how it's intended to be.

If, while on a permalink page, I hover over "Watch" and then hover over "Search", an advanced search window opens up in the top of the permalink page. I enter my search terms, and the returned results are contained within that top half window (example here). If I then select one of the results, I get a new permalink page opens within the top window (example here).

It appears you can keep opening windows within windows as much as you want. As soon as you move your mouse off the original top window everything disappears and you're left with the original permalink page you started with.

Good point. Fixed.

Still prefer old font in comments over new font. Old is easier to read and more professional (imo).

Also i like the old larger comment boxes. So little text per line now
(18 lines is now 24). Maybe increase comment box size or make font size smaller. Maybe both.

Comparison made with this comment http://videosift.com/video/Last-Week-Tonight-with-John-Oliver-UK-Labour-Party#comment-1848099

Would it be possible and feasible, within "Possible *Invocations," to include those invocations which are "second" invocations such as (*)isdupe or (*)ban that would not be highlighted until the prerequisite invocation is properly submitted and recognized.

On a similar note, I'd like to see *related added to the invocations as well. I'm loving what you're doing here @lucky760 ! Bang up job young man

Man, I take a week away for a vacation and come back to a brand new sift (well, at least the first page I go to).

This is going to take a bit of getting used to, before I can tell what I like or don't like. But first glance looks very clean and sleek.

Grr, I noticed I can't edit my own video submissions.

In the header menu under your name is where it is found.

Grr, yes you can.

Hover over the little picture of the red ant that reads "ant" next to it in your header bar.

Thanks eric3579 and lucky760: That is a strange to put it. Is anyone else confused to put it there in terms of usability design?

No.

Although 'edit this video' is only viewable by video submitter (adding no clutter to the page for users) it would be better to put it on the video page. In no way is it obvious where it is now. Matter of fact its probably in the last place you would ever look. Once you know where it is, it's fine, but in no way is it obvious or does it even make sense.

It's just somewhere new.

Once you see it (or find it) the first time, you will know where it is.

It's out of the way, not participating in the hoarding going on on the rest of the page. In that regard it makes sense. It's like the admin toolbar in WordPress. No need to sprinkle all your administrative tools all over the bloody content ffs.

But that's just me.

Completely agree. I like it where it is. Works great for me.

It's finding it that first time that would be the problem. Not obvious.

Would it be possible and feasible, within "Possible *Invocations," to include those invocations which are "second" invocations such as (*)isdupe or (*)ban that would not be highlighted until the prerequisite invocation is properly submitted and recognized.

Quoting PlayhousePals who said:

On a similar note, I'd like to see *related added to the invocations as well. I'm loving what you're doing here @lucky760 ! Bang up job young man

I opted back in and did a "standard sift watching session" for me of a few videos.

This time I forced myself to actually look for things that I noticed weren't in the places that I was expecting.

Some more thoughts:

I tried to figure out where to see "who voted for this video", currently under the comment entry box. I can't find that information in beta UI. I must admit that the current location isn't particularly logical, but I know to look for it there and I can't find it at all in the beta.


The "sidebar" content changed from Sift of the Week / Comment of the Moment / Leaderboard List (of whatever section you are currently in; Top New Videos, Top Videos Expiring Soon, etc.) to Suggested Videos and Related Videos. I think the old sidebar content was more likely to be relevant to what I want.

I get that that stuff has been moved into the header menus, but in my opinion it is harder to access there:
For beta - mouse to Watch button/menu, hover, mouse to relevant section like Top New Videos, mouse to which one I want
Old - mouse to what I want in the sidebar, which is probably already visible but not taking up TOO much screen real estate, and if it isn't visible it is a quick mousewheel jump away

In the meantime, the new sidebar makes stuff that I personally don't care about at all BIGGER. I don't understand what/who suggests the "Suggested Videos" and by what criteria they are deemed to be of interest to me, and "Relevant Videos" are mostly relevant in a long-timescale sense (ie., stuff from a single video series, containing same/similar tags, etc.) where on the sift a big part of the appeal is to vote on what is hot NOW. But those two things take up more space than the old sidebar that was filled with stuff that I *did* care about; they are now big thumbnails with a title underneath plus lots of spacing between list items compared to small thumbnail with title *beside* and very minimal extra padding/spacing between list items. So, the new sidebar has stuff I don't want to see, and spaces it out so that I have to scroll the mousewheel a lot more to get through it (even though it has fewer total list items than before!).


A big part of my personal enjoyment and engagement with the sift is video comments. I'm not a big fan of the beta font for comments, but I think I could potentially get used to it. But more important than the font is that it seems like each comment gets less total screen real estate, and there is more padding/space between each comment AND the sidebar.

I'd like to see that spacing/pad cut down to more like the old style. Beyond that, I figure it is safe to assume that you're not interested in bringing the old sidebar content back (Sift of the Week / Comment of the Moment / Top X Videos) from its beta location in the menubar. Assuming that that will stay there, I'd *much* rather see comment boxes that take up the majority of the page width with NO sidebar. Old sidebar and old style comments would be my personal choice, but assuming that isn't going to happen, I just feel like the beta sidebar is unnecessary and massively oversized / overspaced.


So, I gave it another shot ... back to opting out for me for now.

Disregard stuff I suggested in this thread, it turned out great!

@lucky760 Thanks for the font change. When did you make the change btw?

Today after reading @MilkmanDan's comment ^above (which echoed your sentiments).

@lucky760...did you miss @PlayhousePals' and my suggestions resubmitted prior to MilkmanDan's comment?

Not necessarily. There have been tons of suggestions and complaints and I've tried to loosely keep track (mostly mentally) of changes I need to make.

Some of them fall by the wayside as time passes and my brain is too full up with other work. (This is in part why I wanted people to feel free to repeat the same sentiments.)

Eek, been gone a while, come back-ish and hmm.. things look different! Sorry but the comment thread is so long I can't read them all right now.. So just ignore me if I am saying something already discussed a lot..

I'd like to see the list of who voted for a video.
When I click on a video, it pops into a bigger that I usually watch' mode. Too big.. I actually like the name of the video to be on top of the video, not below like now, but that's just a matter of getting used to here I guess.

Stuff on my sidebar 'newest submissions' and 'top 15' are quite big. They are almost as big as the comment boxes.. maybe make them a bit smaller?

Just a bit confusing, but like I said, I just came and saw this for the first time. You guys must have had tons of hours put into this, and I really appreciate the love and care you put to VS!

I don't come here often enough these days to be helpful in commenting or offering suggestions.

Keep up the good work!

The playlist has returned and is in the page header on the new video permalink page.

That is all.

Think a search bar would benefit the new design. Every other video site ive checked so far has this feature in the left hand upper area. It's kind of an internet thing with video sites. To not have it seems like someone forgot to include it or it's just not available (is what id think if another video site did not have it).

Also it seems like many sifters also think we could use it by all the upvotes on the quoted comment.

Just ran into problem trying to fix dead video - Since there is still no "Edit" button that I can find, the workaround is to go to new VS6 view, then Videos, then My Videos. This will take you to a (v5) page of the videos you posted, and each of those has a link for "Edit this video" or "Fix embed link" (in my case of dead video).

If you mouse over your name on the header bar (vs6) it will drop down an edit your video button.
http://i.imgur.com/fTRq90B.png

Maybe it's just me, but I can't find the "edit this video" equivalent in the new version.

^ @lucky760

^ http://videosift.com/talk/VideoSift-v6-VS6-Beta-Video-Page#comment-1852043

See, it's confusing!

See, that is confusing.

Bah, write them down!