Just ban anything with <4 wheels from the road. Bikes and motorbikes completely ruin my driving experience - the second I know one is near me I have to continually check it's position and worry about it. And they all ridden by idiots - no you shouldn't pedal along my inside then stop in front of me at traffic lights, I do 0-60 in the time it takes you to stop wobbling. And no you shouldn't whizz through the inside on the motor/freeway, go on the outside like every other vehicle has too.
My issue is as soon as somebody has two wheels they think the rules apply differently to them - but the minute they get hit the car/van/truck driver is too blame.

What's with the intersections without traffic lights?

"On the continent" (British english for continental Europe), the biggest problem with emergrency vehicles seems to be that people can't grasp the fact (that they have all learned in driving school) that
a) if you are standing in front of red traffic light and you have an emergency vehicle behind you you are _legally required_ to drive past the red light and make room and that
b) you are not allowed to take the opportunity of the open lane behind said emergency vehicle and follow it.

Although it may be asking too much, seeing that most people don't know how to sort it out when two lanes converge.

I had not noticed the traffic lights, I will assume that is what is on the poles, as the cowering driver would be the ones in front not making a move to merge after so many large gaps. But obviously now they wouldnt do that if a street light was saying not to go.

People who cause accidents are many types of people, one of them I know is the type that do not feel comfortable in what they are doing and are unsure of how to properly act on the road, I.E new drivers, old drivers, female drivers,male drivers and clown cars.

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>> ^BoneRemake:

You can either fuck up a driving situation by being too much of an aggressive cock or you can fuck it up by being a little cowering bitch.
In this video we see both.


Which driver is cowering?

There are traffic lights, but they do not appear to be on.

Fixed, thanks!>> ^Uncle_Vinnie:

It is Nijmegen not Nijmegan

@xxovercastxx
It certainly happens that traffic jams and car accidents cause major inconvenience, but that's not the same as going out with the intent of clogging the roads. It's no accident that the event was originally named the "Commute Clot".
I don't think CMers much like or identify with the old name, which I think was just some arguably witty consonance. I wouldn't join a ride with that name because I don't necessarily want to disturb people. The new name comes from a line in a documentary film, where bicycle traffic in Beijing was stopped indefinitely at certain intersections, never allowed to proceed until "a critical mass of (waiting) cyclists" formed, spilled out in front of the cars, blocking their way, and finally allowed the cyclists to move, which they all did together, in the protection of numbers. Today's CM rides are the planning of that "critical mass of cyclists" so that once a month, at most, we can experience the freedom to ride our own roads.

I actually do love riding my bike, or at least I did before a neck injury made it agonizing to do so.
Really, really sorry to hear this.

I have no problem sharing the road with anyone who is willing. Breaking traffic laws most certainly is, or at least was when this thing got started.
Well, it's not the point anymore. Traffic laws aren't the problem. In Toronto (my city) for this reason, we started following traffic lights, but this caused its own problems with breaking up the ride, and creating dangerous situations with a few cyclists going through anyway, and confusing the cross traffic, so we mostly now just go on through. It's safe.

And if all you want to do is have a bunch of cyclists go for a ride together, obeying stop signs, red lights, right-of-way, etc, that's awesome and no, you don't need permission or special paperwork or anything like that.
When that's all I want, I stay off the roads, and use bicycle paths and nature trails. I actually don't much like riding with other people, to be honest.

I most certainly do not acknowledge this as a protest. Protests are against something: a war, discrimination, etc. What is CM protesting; traffic laws? Equal access to the road? No, this is just a troll festival. However, if that's what your local city does then you have strayed from the intent of CM, that being to block off roads with massive quantities of traffic-law-ignoring cyclists so as to disrupt anyone else's commute. If that's the goal, then that's what parade paperwork is for. Just don't expect to be allowed to fuck up the city every month. You keep referring to it as a protest, so why don't you tell me what you're protesting?
As there is no leader, there are maybe as many ideas about what CM is as there are cyclists in the ride. Most, however, will agree with what you said, that we're protesting for equal access to the roads, as well as improved cycling infrastructure, increased cycling budget, and so on. And if that defies what you perceive as the original intent of CM, that's none of my business. I am not against anybody. I just want to enjoy my slice of the pie as comfortably and unmindfully (is that a word? you know what I mean) as car drivers get to do every day.

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>> ^Stu:

Lights aren't on a timer. They are on sensors that allow traffic that is there to go. Where do you people live with these timer lights. They might still use them in east bumblefuck but in regular cities it's fine. Also, if you put a roundabout in a major city, the amount of traffic and accidents wouldn't go down and the average blood pressure from assholes ignoring the roundabouts would skyrocket. Then again I live where there is alot of traffic.
Quoting things from Wisc does not help the cause of roundabouts. Pick information from somewhere with more people and I might consider it to have merit. It's like me giving out information on the low amount of tornados in my area (we don't have them) and using the information to make a warning system in Kansas. >> ^dannym3141:
Agree with the above - roundabouts are FAR FAR FAR better than traffic lights. Roundabouts are meant to be a way of decereasing congestion. Lights go green on a timer or whatever, but if there's no cars at a particular stop, people are waiting for nothing. And between changes there's significant time where no traffic is crossing. At a roundabout, everyone gets a turn - if traffic is low on one lane then no one waits, and there can more or less be a constant stream of moving cars.
This roundabout's problems are a combination of it not being prominent enough and people not taking it seriously.
There's a roundabout near me ..............with traffic lights on it. Now that's some stupid shit that needs to go. You join the roundabout then sit at lights ON THE ROUNDABOUT. Combine the two and make something with all the disadvantages of both and none of the advantages of either!



I don't know what wisc is in order to quote it, but the majority of traffic lights around my area are on timers. There are, of course, traffic lights that have sensors to help ease the load on a particular set of lights, but unfortunately that still doesn't overcome the fact that there's large periods where there's no one using the central bit as the lights are changing. I appreciate the irony that you accused me of stating facts that have no evidence (which i didn't), when you then go on to say that adding a roundabout would make things worse! I live in an area where there is a hell of a lot of traffic, and the roundabouts are the easier thing to get out of

I also do not tailor my posts in order to ensure that you specifically give them merit. I didn't quote any facts, i didn't quote anyone or any thing, and i can't understand why you think i'd be giving any kind of parallel to a tornado warning system!

Did you quote the right person? The content and tone of your reply are really strange in reply to what i posted!

Lights aren't on a timer. They are on sensors that allow traffic that is there to go. Where do you people live with these timer lights. They might still use them in east bumblefuck but in regular cities it's fine. Also, if you put a roundabout in a major city, the amount of traffic and accidents wouldn't go down and the average blood pressure from assholes ignoring the roundabouts would skyrocket. Then again I live where there is alot of traffic.

Quoting things from Wisc does not help the cause of roundabouts. Pick information from somewhere with more people and I might consider it to have merit. It's like me giving out information on the low amount of tornados in my area (we don't have them) and using the information to make a warning system in Kansas. >> ^dannym3141:

Agree with the above - roundabouts are FAR FAR FAR better than traffic lights. Roundabouts are meant to be a way of decereasing congestion. Lights go green on a timer or whatever, but if there's no cars at a particular stop, people are waiting for nothing. And between changes there's significant time where no traffic is crossing. At a roundabout, everyone gets a turn - if traffic is low on one lane then no one waits, and there can more or less be a constant stream of moving cars.
This roundabout's problems are a combination of it not being prominent enough and people not taking it seriously.
There's a roundabout near me ..............with traffic lights on it. Now that's some stupid shit that needs to go. You join the roundabout then sit at lights ON THE ROUNDABOUT. Combine the two and make something with all the disadvantages of both and none of the advantages of either!

4-way traffic light is always superior to a roundabout in very heavy traffic. Average throughput of the roundabout will be lower.

>> ^Stu:
Roundabouts might be the dumbest things I have ever seen.


If by "dumbest things I have ever seen" you actually meant "best intersections ever!", then yes, I would have to agree.

But seriously, roundabouts are awesome. Way nicer for driving than traffic lights and stop signs.

Agree with the above - roundabouts are FAR FAR FAR better than traffic lights. Roundabouts are meant to be a way of decereasing congestion. Lights go green on a timer or whatever, but if there's no cars at a particular stop, people are waiting for nothing. And between changes there's significant time where no traffic is crossing. At a roundabout, everyone gets a turn - if traffic is low on one lane then no one waits, and there can more or less be a constant stream of moving cars.

This roundabout's problems are a combination of it not being prominent enough and people not taking it seriously.

There's a roundabout near me ..............with traffic lights on it. Now that's some stupid shit that needs to go. You join the roundabout then sit at lights ON THE ROUNDABOUT. Combine the two and make something with all the disadvantages of both and none of the advantages of either!

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So when they were planning this, did they figure they were just going to walk around the traffic light or did no one think of the height restrictions on the parade route?