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FizzBuzz : A simple test when hiring programmers/coders

AeroMechanical says...

First piece of advice. "Clever" code is usually bad code. If I saw that line of code in a code review, I would have to have words with the programmer.

More seriously, it depends where you are. There area lot of jobs right now. If by no professional experience you mean no internship experience, that can make things harder but isn't a huge obstacle at all (the experience itself doesn't often count for much, it's really more of a "why didn't you get an internship?" sort of thing). A good way to start in that case is to look for contract-to-hire positions, possibly through a recruiting/placement agency (look for ones that specialize in engineers). They generally know what they are doing, and will work hard to find a good place for you and they are genuinely on your side. We like to use these where I work because you can hire someone on a three month or whatever contract, and if it doesn't work out, it's a relatively painless separation for everyone (ie, you weren't "fired" you just finished the term of your contract). It's easier to get your foot in the door through a CTH, and then you just have to diligently and prove yourself.

As for preparing for real work (the actual coding part), that's harder. Since you really don't know what you'll be doing, it's not easy to prepare for it. You really have to learn software engineering on the job, and companies hiring entry level talent know that. That said, if you have a particular field in mind, looking for *good* open source projects along the lines of what you want to do and studying the source is good idea. Exposure to real-world, non-academic code is very useful. Getting involved and maybe becoming a contributor is a great idea (and looks good on a resume and gives you something to talk about in an interview). Working on personal hobby projects is a good thing too (though not as good as working on larger projects with other people), which again, gives you something to talk about in an interview. Keep your hand in. Have something to talk about at your interviews.

There are some good books. "The Pragmatic Programmer" by Hunt/Thomas is an excellent general-purpose programming practices book (more about mindset and approach and good patterns than technical details), and I can't recommend it enough. There are some others, but they escape me at the moment. Google is probably your friend here. If you can find a second hand set of Knuth for a reasonable price, buy it up. It's not even remotely worth actually reading, but it looks good on a shelf.

Good luck and don't sweat it. You have a degree that makes you very employable. You'll find something that you like without a doubt. If you're lucky it will be your first job, if not, no big deal--move on to the next thing.

entr0py said:

I'm in the strange position of just having finished a CS degree, with no professional experience as a programmer. Any advice on interviews or how to prepare for real work?

Also someone in the YouTube comments got it down to 1 line of JS, clever bastard :


for(i=0;i<1e2;console.log((++i%3?"":"Fizz")+(i%5?"":"Buzz")||i));

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Scientist Blows Whistle on Trump Administration

eric3579 says...

By Joel Clement July 19 at 4:10 PM

Joel Clement was director of the Office of Policy Analysis at the U.S. Interior Department until last week. He is now a senior adviser at the department’s Office of Natural Resources Revenue.

I am not a member of the deep state. I am not big government.

I am a scientist, a policy expert, a civil servant and a worried citizen. Reluctantly, as of today, I am also a whistleblower on an administration that chooses silence over science.

Nearly seven years ago, I came to work for the Interior Department, where, among other things, I’ve helped endangered communities in Alaska prepare for and adapt to a changing climate. But on June 15, I was one of about 50 senior department employees who received letters informing us of involuntary reassignments. Citing a need to “improve talent development, mission delivery and collaboration,” the letter informed me that I was reassigned to an unrelated job in the accounting office that collects royalty checks from fossil fuel companies.

Tron Dancers: America's Got Talent

jmd says...

Seems Americas got talent does not need to actually feature Americans. This is a Ukranian group who have been running international music award shows and Britons talent show. -_-

Henry Rollins Explains Why He Hates Bono And Sting So Much

DuoJet says...

This video explains why I hate Henry Rollins so much. He's a miserable, zero-talent, shit-talking, born-rich simpleton who has made a decades-long career of pretending and complaining about shit.

Mandy Harvey: Deaf Jazz Singer

Angry pedestrian gets instant karma

harlequinn says...

And I think so. Who wins?

You're entitled to your opinion about the "joke". If I say it doesn't bother me it's because I'm telling the truth. If it bothered me, she'd know about it.

The problem with being funny (or talented in any way) nowadays is that you're going to get compared to the plethora of incredibly talented people on the internet. With this in mind I actually have a yard stick I'm comparing against. Maybe in yesteryear you could claim some person or another was funny (or talented) and it would be true in one's tiny circle, just like every ugly baby is pretty to their mother.

I'm happy to be percieved by others as pathetic - they're entitled to their opinions. But I'll happily keep calling people out as pathetic.

The social mores are clear in this case - it's rude to reply to a question with a question; and it would have been trivial to answer the question.

You're welcome to walk away. Don't worry, sooner or later I'll get bored of you as well.

newtboy said:

I think maybe not.
The joke was on point, clever, and clearly got your goat from my viewpoint, for some unknown reason.
Before saying other people look pathetic, you might take a cold hard look at yourself and think about how you might be looking to others. It's probably better to just walk away if you can't take a harmless joke. ;-)

Bernie Sanders shows support for aims of Jeremy Corbyn

dannym3141 says...

Bob i hate to break it to you, but America has started to become a little bit of a joke in the rest of the world... Your rude, pig headed and frankly severely lacking in intelligence and personal skills president is taking you backwards. But that's no indictment on Americans, because many states have thankfully backed the climate accord, and if non-Trump aligned Americans are to blame for anything, it is only not being able to force the correct candidate through to beat Trump. If we want the drift of American political opinion in Europe these days, we have to watch late night talk shows rather than listening to the president.

Three things happened RE: Paris accord.
One - the American president has used a European stage to demand spurious money from Europe and turned them publicly into opponents rather than allies. Even the worst Brexiteers had the good grace to make that claim on smaller stages where they could be laughed at - it's banter, not a serious political point, except to Trump! Apparently friendship is now an issue of economics, so if Russia decided to start a war, America's involvement might depend on how much it costs to be involved (or who Trump's personal mates are, or what Russia has on him) despite being a key cause of war.
Two - other countries including China all came together to show international brotherhood *against Trump*. This is now Trump's position in the eyes of worldwide public opinion; Trump stands opposed to the entire rest of the world save two countries Syria and Nicaragua! America has *stepped away* from the rest of the world. So now the rest of the world is by definition leading America, showing her the way.
Three - Trump has shown us that he is not interested in listening to the best logical reasoning, the best mathematical models, from the combined talent of the best minds that this planet has produced. So he's completely unreliable.

I think even Trump's fiercest proponents must now start to admit, in private, that they didn't get what they thought they were getting. He is a psychological child with the arrogance of a rich grown man.

bobknight33 said:

What a joke. Bernie approval is a death nail to any candidate. Please keep Bernie over there. He is a Joke in America.

Puddles Pity Party - America's Got Talent - Chandelier

Chandelier - "Sad Clown with the Golden Voice" Cover

Puddles Pity Party - America's Got Talent - Chandelier

Zawash says...

Never having watched America's Got Talent, I first mistook the dude at the end for Puddles without makeup. Was quite relieved when I saw the clip again and saw that it was one of the judges...

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Soundgarden - Spoonman

ChaosEngine says...

What a loss. I was lucky enough to see him play with Audioslave, but I was hoping to see Soundgarden some day. He's up there with Freddie Mercury as one of the most amazing vocal talents in rock.



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