It’s a slow day, have another 25

376 ID GOP state Sen. John McGee - sexual harassment

https://www.heraldnet.com/news/idaho-gop-senator-quits-on-sexual-harassment-allegations/

377 Conservative media star Josh Duggar - molesting sisters + others https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2015/05/28/timeline-josh-duggar-19-kids-and-counting-tlc-sex-abuse-scandal/28066229/

378 Utah Rep House Majority Leader Kevin Garn - inappropriate sexual conduct with minor https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700016074/Cheryl-Maher-says-Kevin-Garn-lied-about-hot-tub-contact.html

379 CNN Conservative Paris Dennard whom Trump called wonderful - sexual harassment https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/conservative-cnn-pundit-suspended-amid-revelations-of-sexual-misconduct-allegations-from-2014

380 Republican VT State Sen Norman Mcallister convicted of illegal acts, acquitted of sexual assault (sex with employee was held to be conseunsual)

https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/2017/07/14/mcallister-relationship-farmhand-consensual/462839001/

381 Orange County GOP Assemblyman Mickey Conroy - sexual harassment

htt6s://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Winner-of-sex-harass-suit-settles-for-less-3109011.php

382 Steve Bannon - sexual harassment / domestic violence

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-chief-strategist-steve-bannon-and-his-history-attacks-against-521240

383 Ambassador Scott Brown, former GOP senator from MA, accused by FOX News reporter of sexual harassment

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kyleblaine/andrea-tantaros-names-oreilly-scott-brown-in-sexual-harrasme

384 NY GOP Congressional candidate Tom Ganley - sexual harassment

https://www.politico.com/story/2010/10/ganley-again-faces-sexual-harassment-allegations-044375

385 CA Rep Assemblyman Trice Harvey - sexual harassment

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-11-14-mn-3046-story.html

386 SC GOP Rep. Josiah Magnuson attacked and harassed fellow Republican who spoke of being raped to argue for Rape & Incest Exemption for abortion. called rape a misdeed.

387 NV Sheriff Gerald Antinoro - sexual harassment/assault

388 CA Assemblyman/gubernatorial candidate Travis Allen - sexual harassment

389 Knox County Judge Steve Sword, appointed by GOP Gov Haslet, sentenced man convicted of 9 counts for raping his 14yo daughter over 2 years to just 12 years rather than the recommended 72 because of his Christianity

390 Mississippi Republican State Rep. Doug McLeod snapped "as he often does" and punched his wife in the face for undressing too slowly

391 Jonathan Parker - former Idaho GOP Chair - arrested for stalking, masturbating outside apartments

392 David Narramore, KY GOP State Executive Committee and Letcher Cty Chair, arrested for exposing himself

393 Eric Bodenweiser, GOP State Senate candidate, arrested for over 100 counts of child sex abuse, pleaded no contest to lesser charges

394 AZ GOP Rules Committee Chair Rep. Anthony Kern - for protecting sexual predators, preventing testimony from child sex abuse survivors

395 Anti-gay bigot Bishop Thomas Tobin knew about children being raped but didn’t tell anyone because his job was accounting - ignoring his duty of care.

396 Shawn Brooks, Trump social media super fan behind doctored Pelosi video - domestic violence

397 George Nader, liaison to the Trump transition - child pornography

398 Douglas Perlitz, with the support of the rightwing Order of Malta, founded a Haitian orphanage where he molested as many as 170 boys.

399 Stephen Bratton, TX Baptist minister who advocated charging women who get abortions with murder, arrested for child sex abuse.

400 Valentino DiGiorgio III, chairman of the Pennsylvania Republican Party, resigned due to sending an explicit photo to city council candidate

Hmmmmmmm…..

351 MT state Rep. Fred Anderson, a Great Falls Republican, violated mandatory reporting requirements as a high school principal, allowing a sexual predator to continue as a coach after students came forward. https://billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/govt-and-politics/political-brawl-among-republicans-raises-accusations-around-miles-city-sex/artic
le_227bae9a-4268-51f3-8845-7672169a80c0.html

352 NJ Republican freeholder candidate Michael Silvestri has been accused of sexually harassing and assaulting a campaign worker. It’s a big mess with other GOP officials threatening her, etc. https://www.trentonian.com/news/lawrence-police-investigate-campaign-worker-s-sexual-assault-claim-against/article_3b7d1682-30c0-11e9-836f-979fa4508bc
8.html

353 GOP Mega-donor John Childs patronized a sex trafficking ring. Sleeping with sex workers is one thing. When women are forced by traffickers, that’s something else https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/crime/indian-river-county/2019/02/22/billionaire-john-childs-charged-florida-human-trafficking-prostitution-ring/295
3948002/

354 LA Republican Congressional Aide Jerod Prunty arrested for pandering, possibly trafficking https://www.klfy.com/news/local/louisiana-republican-congressional-aide-arrested-on-pandering-charges/1789720097

355 Arizona Rep. David Stringer benefited from a plea deal that hid his arrest for child pornography https://tucson.com/news/local/arizona-rep-david-stringer-acknowledges-sex-offense-plea-agreement-years/article_1e38cb61-6a28-5e36-9b81-d5a312ca27c3.ht
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356 Steven Muñoz, Trump State Department hire & former Santorum campaign worker, accused of five sexual assaults https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-administration-hires-official-five-students-accused-sexual-assault

357 Morton Klein, far right head of Zionists of America, newly empowered by Trump has been accused of sexual assault and domestic violence. https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/280684/morton-klein-and-the-future-of-american-zionism

358 Cody Henson - R, NC, two-term state rep accused of harassment, cyberstalking, ignoring restraining order his wife got. https://newsgrowl.com/nc-state-rep-cody-henson-receives-criminal-summons-after-cyberstalking-complaint/

359 TN State House Speaker Glen Casada defends David Byrd, because he claims women who are really raped would move. https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2019/02/19/tennessee-house-speaker-defends-rep-david-byrd-accused-sexual-assault-if-i-was-raped-i-would
-move/2915021002/

360 Republican Judge John Russo, Jr. was suspended after blaming a rape victim for not closing her legs. https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/437405-new-jersey-judge-faces-suspension-for-asking-rape-victim-if-she

361 Jacob Wohl attacks the credibility of people who have been assaulted by recruiting people to make false claims of assault against Robert Mueller and Pete Buttigieg https://www.thedailybeast.com/far-right-smear-merchants-jacob-wohl-and-jack-burkman-try-to-slime-pete-buttigieg-with-bogus-sex-assault-claim?ref=wrap

362 Jack Burkman attacks the credibility of people who have been assaulted by recruiting people to make false claims of assault against Robert Mueller and Pete Buttigieg https://www.thedailybeast.com/far-right-smear-merchants-jacob-wohl-and-jack-burkman-try-to-slime-pete-buttigieg-with-bogus-sex-assault-claim?ref=wrap

363 Hays County GOP Chair Bo Dresner arrested for sexual assault of a child over SEVEN years

364 Kentucky State Rep Robert Goforth (candidate for Governor) has been accused of sexual assault https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article224642800.html

365 Republican Sheriff Rene Rodriguez of Lincoln Co, Idaho - sexual assault, lewd conduct, and rape of a minor https://magicvalley.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/court-documents-say-lincoln-sheriff-sexually-abused-girl-for-years/article_cfbf591b-77a8-5f02-b10e
-1f9abf7f46cf.html

366 Former Republican Congressional candidate Daniel Edmonds, R, molested a child many times over the course of three years. https://www.newson6.com/story/39788517/former-congressional-candidate-charged-with-child-sex-abuse

367 New York Judge James P. McClusky ruled firmly in favor of rape, even rape of children by giving a man who pleaded guilty to raping a 14-year-old girl to no jail time, only probation. He was endorsed by the Republican, Independence and Conservative parties. https://www.newyorkupstate.com/northern-ny/2019/04/former-watertown-bus-drivers-admits-to-raping-teen-gets-no-jail-time.html

368 NJ GOP state Sen. Anthony Bucco-sexual harassment, getting women fired for ending relationship https://www.nj.com/news/2011/05/wharton_mayor_chegwidden_alleg_1.html

369 Republican Gov Arnold Schwarzenegger (CA) sexual harassment/groping https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/arnold-schwarzenegger-i-stepped-over-the-line-several-times-with-women

370 CT GOP Senate Candidate Augie Wolf - sexual harassment https://www.courant.com/politics/capitol-watch/hc-august-wolf-lawsuit-story.html

371 CA GOP state assemblyman Dante Acosta - sexual harassment https://santaclaritafree.com/gazette/news/acosta-accuser-resurfaces

372 SC GOP State Rep. Edward Southard - sexual harassment https://www.berkeleyobserver.com/2016/04/28/moncks-corner-lawmaker-steps-amid-sexual-harassment-allegations/

373 Former SD GOP state representative Gene Abdallah - sexual harassment

https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/16/abdallah-withdraws-board-after-report-sexual-harassment/1033935001/

374 TX GOP state Sen J. E. “Buster” Brown - sexual harassment

https://www.texastribune.org/1999/09/20/ten-little-nine-little-eight-little-lite-guvs/

375 Missouri Republican House Speaker John Diehl - sexual harassment https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/missouri-house-speaker-resigns-intern-breaks-silence/article_0f97c87f-dd66-5c1d-bf49-19ef3228ced1.html

The decline of jobs under Trump were due to Covid hysteria and state and local governments illegally forced shutdowns, destroying jobs. Under Joe covid finally clears and big uptick in jobs as things open back up.



You are in denial of economic realities that are coming.

You being a leftest I can understand your foolish thinking.






"You gonna fess up to your pride event lies yet?"

What die I say? Oh yea I said the truth.

What about the Olympics opening ? You see no problem with that?

SHOCKER!
I’m correct.
Local police were tasked with 1) clearing and securing that building 2) searching the crowd 3) controlling the crowd and keeping them off structures 4) covering that rooftop with local police snipers 5) responding to being notified there’s a shooter on the roof.
Local police failed at every single step.
They swept the publicly accessible building EARLY THAT MORNING not near the event time, they allowed a crowd within view of the candidate but outside security, they had no one watching those elevated positions or keeping people off them, the local sniper assigned to watch that set of buildings seems to be missing or never assigned, they 100% dropped the ball when they were told a man with a gun was seen in the area acting suspicious long before he was on the roof, and again once when he was on the roof for near a full minute while the crowd pointed and screamed.

Ultimately the Secret Services responsibility, but not their failure. They followed long standing procedure to the T from every report. Still no word on whether there were fewer police than requested…or why….but non payment of dozens of past security bills, sticking it to the venues would be a likely reason if there were.

Another shocker, initial reports are correct, he is a conservative Republican gun advocate (but awful shot) lone wolf white male American. Right wing media reports claiming that he’s really a Democrat who registered Republican to vote against Trump in the primary have been proven to be outright bold faced lies. He was unpopular at his mostly liberal high school because he was a staunch often insulting conservative and did not hide it at all.

I’m just asking questions, I made no statement there.
Questions like WHY can’t we see Obama’s long form birth certificate, and WHY won’t Trump stop raping girls?

The Secret Service uses multi tiered defense. The inner tier is close support, Secret Service agents who rush in and provide physical cover. Mid tier is mid range/crowd control, usually covered mostly by local police who are temporarily added to the security detail and have liaisons to communicate to the Secret Service. Outer tier (snipers) are looking outward for long range threats.
He was in the mid tier range, and reports say the crowd notified police (not Secret Service agents) well beforehand, but the Secret Service obviously didn’t get the info. Is it because there weren’t enough police? I don’t know but maybe. If so, would that be because he’s well known for not paying for security after agreeing he would and they didn’t want to do extreme crowd control for free? I don’t know but it’s likely.

Down vote for the instant blaming the Secret Service without knowing any details, who failed in what duty, or much of anything….and because this cracked out living in mommy’s basement “lone wolf” (really bad wardrobe choice for this topic) always deserves a downvote every single time.

As tempting as it would be to do so, I don’t support political violence, unlike MAGA that needs a gun in every political ad, usually pointed at their opponents name or likeness, or puts their picture out with crosshairs (right before they got shot), or calls for second amendment solutions to political disputes, or actually fomented a violent coup on Jan 6 and tried to steal the election by force, or celebrated and had the best time dismissing it as nothing when Pelosi was attacked. Patriots believe in democracy even when it fails us.

Local cops were likely in charge of the crowd, but not having every rooftop manned was definitely a mistake. Were there fewer police/security because the campaign is notorious for never paying them maybe? Time MAY tell…or may not.

😂 Jr is telling you idiots that his Daddy (he thinks it’s his daddy anyway) isn’t on the “Epstein list”. 😂

I bet you take his word for it.
Truth is no one else is featured as often or as prominently as Doe 174, (DJT). A minimum of 7 trips on the Lolita express to kiddie rape island (and recall he had multiple planes himself, and absolutely took them to kiddie rape island repeatedly as well, and flew with Epstein on the Trump plane often as well, proven with flight logs), he’s accused by multiple Epstein victims of rape, and they were all under legal age, some under puberty age…all told “you look like my daughter”.
Epstein rode on Donald’s plane too, with Donald and girls as young as 15.
Trump was on the SS Lolita too, the party barge full of 14 year old girls and 60+ year old millionaires.
Multiple Epstein victims were referred to him by Donald, told Epstein would give them a better job than they had at Mar a Lago.
Recall, he still wishes Maxwell well, after her conviction for facilitating the sexual abuse of young girls. She must have serious dirt on him.
Donald is on audio recording talking about forcing his way into the dressing room of 15 (and younger) girls to leer at them nude.
Donald is on video lusting after his daughter a few hundred times, talking about wanting to have sex with her, etc.

Thanks for the reminder Jr. “Not on the Epstein list”….MOTHER FUCKER HE IS THE EPSTEIN LIST! 😂

The fake “black church” event was hilarious….not a single black parishioner in the crowd because he RENTED a black church and (criminal) pastor, he wasn't welcomed by the church goers, he had a crowd of 300+- elderly white people wearing “blacks for Trump” shirts….they’re already claiming there were 8000 people in that max occupancy of 350 church (it wasn’t even full). There was literally only one single local black person there, and 5-6 they paid to come from elsewhere. The service was a worship of the felon, not God, not Jesus, but the one you put above them both, Don. Convicted felon Trump’s outreach to the black community doesn’t include the black community…he left that photo op to go to a rally by Charlie Kirk, a massive blatant racist, where on stage they flew flags saying “WHITE BOY SUMMER” and other racist, slogans.
The black community is insulted by the idea that such a sad little show will make them forget how he treated them for 4 years.

Meanwhile President Biden went to the black church that was attacked by a white supremacist in 2015 and prayed with its actual congregation.

BTW- Records prove that in 1927 Fred Trump Sr (The convict’s grandfather) was arrested for being a KKK member who was part of a racist KKK riot of 1000 racists that attacked police in Queens in an attempted race riot.
His son and grandson paid millions for racist redlining.
He refused to denounce the KKK or David Duke…he actually pretended he didn’t know who David Duke or the KKK was (hint- remember the meetings you went to with grandpa where everyone dressed as ghosts and talked about the inhuman animals and what must be done about them? Duke is their leader.)….Mr. ”I see nothing…I KNOW NOTHING!”

Literally everything you morons do is a fraud.

EVERYTHING

BTW- Crime stats are out. Dark Brandon is better at fighting crime than the entire Justice League put together. 25% drop.
Economic numbers are insanely good, best in the world, constant record high stock markets, low unemployment, high wage gains, dropping inflation…as long as you don’t have antixwoke stocks the market is BOOMING! Sorry DJT stockholders.. 😂

Trumps failed Bronx rally he couldn’t afford or fill Maddison square garden with so held in a small park with a maximum capacity of 3500, 1/2 full being generous (of mostly fans from Florida) with a few thousand at most (his influencers are posting photos of a Obama rally in St Louis in 2008 with 100000 and claiming it’s Trump in the Bronx) and speakers who are out on bail under multiple criminal indictments for murder devolved into a riot in NY when they marched past a covid testing center and lost their minds and attacked it.
Maga grinch danced too long asking for porn and collapsed.
Racist maga superhero shouted slurs at other maggots.
Santos showed up and was treated like a star.



What a criminal clown show maga is.

lol. The texts have been released. 400 pages of texts.
They outline the clearly illegal and dishonest attempt to steal an election despite admitting knowing full well they lost by millions of votes starting November 9 or before.
They utterly destroy the lie that the fake electors were just in case a court reversed an states results, they are absolutely clear that they should just count those fake electors and deny the real electors a count.
They also claim only the Trump Supreme Court could reverse that election theft, and they’re on board with not taking the case.

lol. One text is Chesebro on the steps of the capitol on Jan 4 with the text “I’ve decided not to storm the capitol…at least not today.” Kinda hurts the lie that storming the capitol wasn’t planned….not that even maggots believe that stupid nonsensical lie.

Fun…note that WHEN Trump is found in contempt of court today or tomorrow, even if he gets no jail, he may get jailed. ALL of his other cases required him to submit to conditions of release, one of which is he must commit absolutely no crimes while released, not federal, state, or local felonies, misdemeanors, or infractions. Basic contempt is a misdemeanor crime, a crime that violates his conditions for release in 3 other cases. Buh-bye Dumb Donald!
Edit: now Thursday…that’s when the SECOND contempt hearing is scheduled, penalties are on hold because Trump continues to violate the orders even while awaiting sentence so they will have to be increased dramatically….oh sorry, I forgot I’m not following the trials, so I guess I don’t know about all that.

Bonus- Constant dog hater Donald hasn’t dropped his puppy murdering vp pick yet, on top of everything you can legitimately call maga the dog hating party.

His ridiculous paid black actors aren’t hiding their payments well, going on righty press junkets, getting paid speaking engagements at billionaires events, and sailing in the Bahamas…that’s what the everyday woman who hugged him at Chik-fil-a (who has been a long time Republican paid operative and was set up by the campaign to pretend rump likes average black people and not just multi millionaire blacks, oops!). Paying for public support is a hallmark of a despot, just like Gadaffi.

Hunter Biden is about to sue Fox for continuing to air false stories long after they’re proven false….just like Dominion….and is demanding public retractions from all righty media….just like Dominion and warning them that they violated felony revenge porn laws nationwide and continue to do so. He’s going to win a 9 figure settlement, just like Dominion, from multiple righty propaganda outlets, finally making him that hundred millionaire maga insists he is. 😂

Bwaaahahahahaaaa! A bit stale but new to me…try claiming it’s not a cult again…. https://videosift.com/video/Man-Prays-To-Trump-For-Salvation-While-Being-Arrested

Any time you can ignore court orders and be fined nearly $40k a day in fines for 6 years with no jail time or even escalations in fines you have proven the controlling agency has no real authority.
Guaranteed there’s more to this than she’s saying, and a reason it was illegal to move the waterway…like this “ditch” was really a natural stream and he destroyed “messy” wetlands and the stream habitat and maybe an endangered species because he didn’t like them.

Edit- Close…he dug a pond on a stream going through his property without federal permits (he got local permits but those don’t cover waterways), dumping the spoils where they would get washed downstream. He refused to talk to the EPA or mitigate the stream contamination and just ignored them and ignored the courts for years, and racked up huge fines…which were waived in the end and he was forced to plant trees to stop erosion and temporarily fence it off to keep his livestock away from his stock pond (making it useless).

In the end this is a story of wishywashy government UNDERREACH @bobknight33, not tyrannical government overreach…it’s an obstinate asshole getting away with blatantly and intentionally ignoring the law and the courts and his downstream neighbors and a government agency that let him do it with no real repercussions. What was your point? That Republicans thumb their noses at laws and order? 😂

I honestly don't understand who this is for? This is a website for like, 15 old guys, most of which you already know aren't swayed by this sort of thing.

I suppose it's not much effort really, but it just doesn't seem like an effective way to advance your agenda?

Do you do any offline organizing? Maybe try to meet up with like minded people and try to do something positive in your local area. If people see you are there to solve real problems they will be more likely to pay attention to your point of view.

I feel like you would appreciate some recognition of your position, but I also don't feel like you are very likely to get it here in this way. Maybe it's time to try something different?

Russia invaded Ukraine to expand. They came up with a dozen lame excuses, like protecting Russian speaking people in Crimea from being insulted and to stop the local government (who they called extremists) from taking abandoned Russian military bases, NATO expansion was never a reason they gave for invading.
In Ukraine proper, his stated excuse was that the new Ukrainian government (formed after the Kremlin installed puppet government was ousted) was comprised of NAZIs who were ethnically cleansing Russian speakers in the East, a total fabrication.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/in-putins-words-why-russia-invaded-ukraine/
Try keeping your revisionist Russia centric anti democratic fantasy history to yourself. I know some random internet blowhard failure broadcasting from mommy’s basement told you this alternative fact nonsense, you have got to stop trusting them.

There’s been more NATO expansion in “buffer” nations since Russia invaded than in the 50+ years beforehand, with more coming because they invaded their neighbor…again.

Ukraine will be a NATO country now, so is our business.
Ukraine was in a treaty with the US, so was already our business. We guaranteed their borders against invasion in exchange for their nuclear arsenal. No nation will ever do a nuclear disarmament treaty with America, we don’t keep our word or we would be fighting there.
Russian expansionism isn’t stopped by ignoring it, it’s encouraged. Trump encouraged the expansionism into Ukraine proper (Crimea was Ukraine) when he recognized Russia’s claim on the seized territory, giving the green light to expand their military operations in Eastern Ukraine (that they denied existed but absolutely were there fighting during Trump’s administration and even before, recall Russians shot down a passenger plane in Ukraine in 2014 and never left).

The EU is supportive enough of Ukraine that they just unanimously agreed to $54 billion in military aid, and the EU is our closest trading partner so again, our business. The MAGA ploy to block any aid to Ukraine to aid Russia (hoping it would look bad for Biden) has failed, the EU miraculously stood up as a unified front and agreed to fund Ukraine.
NATO has agreed to admit Ukraine as soon as possible, something never considered before the invasion.


Ukraine is a lost war, lost by Russia…Russia just won’t admit it yet, but their country will be feeling the loss for decades…loss of their army, loss of an entire generation of young men, loss of their economy, loss of hundreds of trade agreements/partners, loss of trillions of dollars, loss of international standing and cooperation, loss of stability. At this point, even if Russia took Ukraine tomorrow, it would be a loss for Russia. They destroyed their prize, and themselves in the process, and the rest of the world is happy to destroy them through a proxy while Russia engages directly and is crushed daily.
Winning!

https://youtu.be/WhILMFdifhk?si=k-egPJ1oDrqKrd_S

Ukraine has already won this war by destroying Russia. It’s exceedingly likely they will also drive the Russians out and may even take some of Russia a s a buffer zone…Russia is losing badly.

“ It’s your insistence that Jewish people, and the existence of Israel, have always fundamentally been invaders that I was objecting to as it is so intensely at odds with factual history.”
No…it is at odds with your position and is not what I said.
It is factual history that fighting age European Jews came armed and forcibly displaced the natives after being offered sanctuary for their most needy. It is not factual that I claimed it was ever thus. That is clearly not what I said, I said for 10+- years they were getting along as refugees, then started coming in HUGE numbers illegally and taking over.

Those are facts.

I also mentioned a native Jewish population that were not refugees or invaders. Some of them supported the invading Zionists, some didn’t. I’ve never heard of one who opposed them.

“ You gave a brief nod on not being a scholar of Palestinian history, but then proceed to just count all Jewish refugees as good as Zionist aggressors from day 1(or close enough), and the local Arab population as nothing but pure, kind caring victims of these invaders.”

Not even close to true, I said many stood behind the Zionists when they started coming en masse, and didn’t say but seemingly few to none of the native Jews opposed them. I also was clear that at the beginning the refugees acted like refugees, not invaders….I mistakenly gave them more time being grateful than you say they were, according to you Palestinians position is they began the invasion in the 20’s….and theirs is the opinion I care about. I never claimed ALL Arabs were welcoming, but the “nation” as a whole (despite being not self ruling at the time) welcomed a huge number of refugees considering their own population. Way more than elsewhere.

Edit: Britain, who facilitated this invasion, only took in 80000 European Jews in the decade before and during the war, and they were only given transit visas to stay temporarily until they found other accommodations. All of England took in fewer Jewish refugees in all pre war history than Palestine did….England took in 80000, most on temporary visas, Palestine took in 60000 permanently in 1935 alone, and 130000 in 33-36.
Pre-immigration Palestine had about 700000 people. In 1944 European Jews ignored the 1500 visa limit per year and came by the hundred of thousands per year after already completely overwhelming the native population.
Palestine was forcibly invaded by a foreign population exponentially bigger than the native population while Britain kept them too weak to oppose it physically.
That’s an invasion…not on day 1. 🤦‍♂️

“ without being able to writeoff Israel as invaders from day 1, nuance enters the calculus and suddenly the conflict is flooded with shades of grey ”

Again, I said day 3, not day 1, and went on to say that meant 10 years later. Get off your high horse and READ buddy.

I guess I’ll stop here. If you aren’t going to read what I wrote and insist on arguing red herrings you made up yourself, you can do that alone.

Nothing you’ve said changes or excuses the fact that masses of armed violent invaders came to take the land from the natives by force and were successful. The exact date this happened is not only y highly subjective, it’s completely besides the point.
Nothing you’ve said changes or excuses the inhuman treatment they’ve subjected the innocent native civilian population to for 70 years…but you’ve tried.
Nothing you’ve said changes or excuses the intentional targeting of trapped civilians by the military….serious war crimes Israel commits daily.
Nothing you’ve said even hints that you consider Palestinians worthy of consideration themselves, possibly not even human status, definitely not peaceful existence.

Bye

“ my solution would be every able bodied Jewish man and woman join the French (or Polish, Russian, British) army and fucking fight…”

I agree that’s the noble thing to do, but I can’t condemn the ones that choose to seek safety in numbers with Jewish Palestinians as exclusively invasion minded aggressors. My 6 million tag was maybe a bit sharp, but you also know that the Nazi’s took Paris and as much as it sucked to be French or European under Nazi occupation, you also know adding Jewish to that carried a lot of extra consequence and danger to your family.

My POV is agnostic of everything save Isreali people today having a right exist as a nation. Which at this point from my POV leaves 1947 as somewhat academic.

It’s your insistence that Jewish people, and the existence of Israel, have always fundamentally been invaders that I was objecting to as it is so intensely at odds with factual history.

You gave a brief nod on not being a scholar of Palestinian history, but then proceed to just count all Jewish refugees as good as Zionist aggressors from day 1(or close enough), and the local Arab population as nothing but pure, kind caring victims of these invaders.

I will state again, that is ahistorical propaganda and NOT what actually happened. And for my POV, its enough generations back as to be Academic, but for your POV it is fundamental because without being able to writeoff Israel as invaders from day 1, nuance enters the calculus and suddenly the conflict is flooded with shades of grey because lots of parties all contribute to the bloodshed, and many with reasonable motivations from both sides yet too.

Please find me any reputable sources to refute the reality of 1920-1940s Palestine:
-Mass Jewish immigration fleeing European oppression raised tensions between Jewish and Arab Palestinians.(as one must expect)
-Arab palestinians were already chaffing and resisting British colonial rule(as one must expect)
-These tensions led conflict, initially more ‘civil’ with the Arab majority trying to refuse all business, sales and trade with all Jews.
-Escalation followed throughout that time, but in drips and drops and NOT a ‘surprise the Zionist army has arrived’! style of aggression

The violent escalation was a fight here, a beating there. Little individual fights, escalating into deaths. Retaliations slowly grew, with each side exchanging small escalations.

-the culmination of this was eventually all out civil war, and the Jewish side immediately accepting a UN mandated 2 state solution

-this culmination coinciding with the end of WW2 and revelations of the true extent of the holocaust can’t be ignored, it certainly shaped the Jewish mindset in the conflict.

-Their mindset was pretty clearly not inaccurate either, as the immediate response of all neighbouring Arab nations was a declaration of war on the new ‘state’, with bold claims of how quickly the Jews would be swept into the sea. The confidence was so high, a call was sent it for ALL Arab palestinians to abandon and flee the entire region of Palestine to better enable the complete cleansing of the land.

The above is all pretty much inarguably factual, and I’d bargain you could get an Arabic and Israeli scholar together to more or less agree on those facts which is saying alot.

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Propaganda from both sides would like to declare that the Arabs harboured deep Nazi sympathies, and thus Israel was pure and true in all it did. Or from the other side, more or less your narrative of Zionist bad guys launching invasion from day 1(ish).

Both though are just sprinklings of half truths, with anti-British resentment naturally breeding some leanings towards the axis, and even genuine Nazi cleanse the Jews believers. And absolutely Zionists featured prominently within the Jewish population. Neither of those partial truths though make the propaganda of either side true, but instead just an incomplete and intentionally biased picture.


Again, please find me sources demonstrating I’m terribly wrong on all that, but the only ones I can find are clearly biased and the accurate accounts paint the picture above, the propaganda very, very clearly copies the real story more or less with just deletions of inconvenient bits