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Skater punched by kid's mom

newtboy says...

I'll start by apologizing for the long reply...
I looked as closely as possible in HD fullscreen and on my computer the head never touched ground. More to the point, the child never reached for his head. Either way the point is moot, the mother never once even glances at the child to determine injury.
I did look closely, down to street view, at the whole park, and what I saw was it seems that in the non-skate areas there is a different texture to the ground (around the pool, playground area, etc.)
From my viewpoint (and I admit I could not read the park rules, I tried from every angle) the rest of the park is built specifically for skating, and has obstacles designed to skate on that have clear marks on them that that's what they are used for. The area you think is the only skate area has ramps in and out to skate on, so perhaps I'm wrong, but the implication of that design is you can skate everywhere. If I'm wrong in that guess, I'm wrong. There's no way to tell for certain from what I can see. That said, I draw the line at the areas designated for skating, and not in the areas designated for other things. As I've repeatedly stated, the skater bears some responsibility for not looking in a public place, but mom bears far more for allowing child to run free in a public skate park, especially when he was headed straight towards the street with no one watching until he screams.
I do admit from what I see this park is not well designed, as there is not a clear separation of the skate area and non-skate area, or a path from one non-skate area to another. If all the areas besides the small rail/bowl area are not for skating, they certainly should not have built it filled with skating obstacles and ramps, knowing that skaters will skate them.
I guess I misunderstood, yes, he was skating towards the picnic tables, but was no where near them at the end of his run, so who's to say he didn't plan on turning left into the rail area or stopping after the kick flip? The child was headed for the street, agreed?
Barrels out from behind an object is what children often do, and why they get hit, they don't know to look first.
Kid's mom is not seen until after the incident, then walking from the pavilion, she was not with or watching her child from every thing I see.
My reaction to blame the mom is because she was not watching her child and went off because that inattentiveness led to an accident, and she was the one responsible for her child's safety, no one else.

second post reply starts here:
OK, that's clearer that you don't excuse her actions. I accept and agree with that.
Expect the parent to be upset, absolutely. Expect them to be aggressive, not really but many people go that way. Expect them to be violent to address their own parental failings, not at all. Expect them to understand they (not the skater) is 70%+ at fault for not supervising a toddler? Never, parents rarely accept their failings and almost always deflect responsibility.
I feel you miss-state the situation. I say he should have hit her to stop her advance, not if she stopped, at the end of the video, she's still attacking. That's self defense, and using the skateboard in that capacity seems fine to me. We may disagree, people are different.
I think you hit the nail on the head in your last paragraph...we just don't see it the same way. I feel like many parents have a natural defense mechanism of responsibility deflection, and I don't accept any responsibility for other's children, and would never expect them to take it for mine. I understand the mindset of parents that believe we all have a responsibility to take care of their children, I just disagree with it.
I also disagree that age is an excuse, if the child is too young to watch out for itself, it's 100% the parent's responsibility in my eyes, not mine.

And then there's the new idea that this discussion is all about a faked video. If true, the parent is still irresponsible for letting their child be run into on concrete where he may well have broken his skull, but maybe not completely out of control crazy violent.
Again, apologies for the long post.

Ryjkyj said:

OK, OK... I know I'm talking to a person who can't see a kid's head hit the ground in a video where a kid's head clearly hits the ground but please do me one favor:

Look at the park layout from google maps that Eric posted above. Really zoom in and get a good look. What I see is a skate park on the left with some soccer fields further on and a parking lot on the right. In between, there's a narrow pathway leading from one part of the park to the other. That's why we see all those people walking through there in the video. They're not walking through the skate park, they're walking along a path.

Now, by your rational, this guy is allowed to skate wherever he wants in this park with no responsibility for running into anyone who happens to be walking through(since a toddler runs at about a normal person's walking speed, maybe a little faster). So I'm curious, where do you draw the line? Is this guy literally allowed to rail slide up the play equipment? Slalom between the swings? I really want to know where you think the line is. Are you really saying that the only path from one end of this overall park to the other runs right through the skate park portion of it? And everybody that walks through is supposed to expect skaters that aren't watching where they're going?

I only get so specific because a skateboard is a vehicle. You can ride one in many public places and I'm all for that but you bear a responsibility for hitting someone just like you would on a bike or in a car.

And I wasn't saying that the kid was running towards the picnic tables. I was saying that the skater was heading toward them, which it seems you agree with since you said the kid was running away from them. (BTW: Where do you get the idea that this kid "barrels out from behind an object?" What object?)

What it looks like to me is that this kid and his mom were coming from the north end, maybe the kid gets excited running to the play equipment on the south end when a guy, skating down the middle of the only path through the park, runs right fucking into him with a skateboard.

And the first reaction everyone has is to blame the kid and his mom? For running down a path through a park?

Hyperlapse: Beautiful Google Street View Road Trip

hamsteralliance says...

Those are simply places I recognized in the video. Also, "google" and "street view" are already in the title. Does Videosift's search ignore words in the titles of videos and only look for the tags?

I'm going to add NYC, Australia and Africa to the tags, since you say they're in there.

mxxcon said:

@hamsteralliance NYC and Australia(or Africa) is not what I would call "san francisco, west coast" tags...However, I would call it "google, streetview"...hint hint.

The TOUGHEST Bridge In The World

ForgedReality says...

>> ^KnivesOut:

There are warning sensors starting at least 2 blocks up the street. Several yellow lights start flashing on each intersection next to a sign that says "OVERHEIGHT". It's really hard to not notice.
Here's the
street view
if you want to pretend to drive up the street.
I think for the most part people are just idiots.>> ^mxxcon:
It looks like many trucks are rented. Perhaps drivers are not aware of the size of their trucks or just not experienced enough to realize that they now have to keep in mind height.
If they can't raise that bridge or make thinner support, then they def should dig a deeper road under it.



Oh man that would be bitchin if the Google street view car caught that semi trying to go through. Apparently he was smart enough to know to turn right and go around though.

The TOUGHEST Bridge In The World

KnivesOut says...

There are warning sensors starting at least 2 blocks up the street. Several yellow lights start flashing on each intersection next to a sign that says "OVERHEIGHT". It's really hard to not notice.

Here's the street view if you want to pretend to drive up the street.

I think for the most part people are just idiots.>> ^mxxcon:

It looks like many trucks are rented. Perhaps drivers are not aware of the size of their trucks or just not experienced enough to realize that they now have to keep in mind height.
If they can't raise that bridge or make thinner support, then they def should dig a deeper road under it.

Dude tests air raid siren in his driveway!

ant says...

>> ^bobknight33:

No, I'm not joking, Back in the Day when Al Gore was VP he implied that he had a great deal to do with the invention of the internet. For real.
Inventing the Internet

>> ^ant:
>> ^bobknight33:
I remember that sound.. I was a kid in Murrysville PA and every Saturday at noon it would go off as a test. .. I just Google mapped and at street view it is still there.
3213 North Hills Road, Murrysville, Pennsylvania, United States.
Oh the fun of the internet-- Thank you Al Gore for this great invention.

I hope you're joking. He didn't invent the Internet.



He only helped push the Internet (aka super information highway he kept using). He did NOT invent it.

Dude tests air raid siren in his driveway!

bobknight33 says...

No, I'm not joking, Back in the Day when Al Gore was VP he implied that he had a great deal to do with the invention of the internet. For real.

Al Gore words on Inventing the Internet


>> ^ant:

>> ^bobknight33:
I remember that sound.. I was a kid in Murrysville PA and every Saturday at noon it would go off as a test. .. I just Google mapped and at street view it is still there.
3213 North Hills Road, Murrysville, Pennsylvania, United States.
Oh the fun of the internet-- Thank you Al Gore for this great invention.

I hope you're joking. He didn't invent the Internet.

Dude tests air raid siren in his driveway!

ant says...

>> ^bobknight33:

I remember that sound.. I was a kid in Murrysville PA and every Saturday at noon it would go off as a test. .. I just Google mapped and at street view it is still there.
3213 North Hills Road, Murrysville, Pennsylvania, United States.
Oh the fun of the internet-- Thank you Al Gore for this great invention.


I hope you're joking. He didn't invent the Internet.

Dude tests air raid siren in his driveway!

bobknight33 says...

I remember that sound.. I was a kid in Murrysville PA and every Saturday at noon it would go off as a test. .. I just Google mapped and at street view it is still there.

3213 North Hills Road, Murrysville, Pennsylvania, United States.

Oh the fun of the internet-- Thank you Al Gore for this great invention.

Google Maps 8-bit for NES

Google Maps 8-bit for NES

Porsche stuck in wet cement! Really!? Really..

Porksandwich says...

Plenty of traffic cones once he goes for the down the street view. And one smashed flat near his car. And plenty on other side.

They put them out about 2 car lengths apart so their equipment and trucks can get into the work area when needed without mowing down a huge row of cones or dragging them into the work.

Old lady or young inexperienced person..I could see them thinking cones aren't ACTUALLY designating the work area. But dude with an expensive ass car should be old enough to realize that he shouldn't drive in the fucking work space. It's dangerous as hell to the workers in there and all that heavy equipment sitting there should be a pretty good indicator that people shouldn't be driving there if the cones don't spell it out clearly enough.

And I say this as someone whose done driveways and parking lots, but not a whole lot of street asphalt. You can put up sawhorses and barricades and if there is one space that's the size of the car despite there being NO OTHER WAY IN......someone will drive into that hole. And you can see fellow crew members walking AROUND designated areas that are marked and have "do not cross tape" around 95% of it...and someone will walk into it. And 99.999% of the time, the person not paying attention yells about suing and what not when they made the mistake often times with us yelling and waving at them to try to get them to stop.

Ever get a piece of tar stuck to your shoe on a hot day? Imagine walking into a blocked off area where the tar has been freshly poured and it varies between slippery when it's super hot and super sticky when it's cooling down. You got jokers walking into that stuff....it smells horrible...hell it even steams and bubbles at times. Then if you seal a parking lot? It's basically black paint with chemicals that react to sunlight to bake it in. We had some old ladies walk into it...FALL, get it all up and down their back from head to heel and on their hands...while people are yelling at them, waving, and people running around the workspace so they don't ruin the job we just spent 3 hours doing to stop them.

I'd say that if someone can't see clear indicators that something is up on the roadway and they should use more caution and not assume everything is the same as yesterday, they are not fit to drive. It's like seeing a bouncing ball in the street and speeding up because who would have thought a kid might be chasing that ball?

FedEx Guy Going To Be Looking For A New Job

srd says...

Ah the difference of the "privacy" concept between the US and Europe. See the google street view bruhaha we had over here...

The laws that conan mentioned basically says that while you're allowed to set up security cameras to monitor your own property, they are not allowed to film whats going on beyond your property. That includes public spaces. In addition, if people have a chance of being filmed, there needs to be a clearly visible sign stating that filming is taking place and who is doing it.

I'm sure a lot of americans just don't get the european view, just as a lot of europeans just won't get the american view of privacy. All in all, while I think there is a bit of overreaction (especially in germany), I'm more in favor of the european view. I just don't trust corporations with my data, directly or deduced, since I will be bought and sold and will never know to whom, why and what for. But thats just me

FPSRussia: .50 Cal Machine Gun vs 250 Watermelons

Skeeve says...

Hehe, that's some good work. We knew for a while that he was American, but where in America was a question I had as well.>> ^artician:

I've always wondered where he was really . The McDonalds at 8126 State Street, Garrettsville, OH 44231.
Thank you Google street view.
I hope it's not improper for me to out the guy like this, but it's always been my #1 question from seeing his videos. Of course, they could have just taken a really long way around.

FPSRussia: .50 Cal Machine Gun vs 250 Watermelons

artician says...

I've always wondered where he was *really*. The McDonalds at 8126 State Street, Garrettsville, OH 44231.

Thank you Google street view.

I hope it's not improper for me to out the guy like this, but it's always been my #1 question from seeing his videos. Of course, they could have just taken a really long way around.

THE NEW *PLANKING*!?

EmptyFriend says...

>> ^Sagemind:

Of course - with all-caps - I see you feel quite strongly about this.
>> ^EmptyFriend:
NOT FUNNY


There was an old commercial, and we're talking like 10+ years ago, I forget what it was for but there was like a guy on stage telling bad jokes to a completely dead audience and you just hear 1 guy yell out "NOT FUNNY". This always sticks with me.

Mostly I just hate Shane Dawson, found nothing in this funny, and think the whole fad of planking is incredibly lame, unoriginal, and old.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1302422/A-body-Google-Street-View-Dont-worry-just-girl-playing-dead.html



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