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Don't ever want to cross a street again. Ever

Payback jokingly says...

Red light cameras increase the number of APPREHENDED red light runners. Before, they got away with it.

It's the opposite of "See? Black complaints about police brutality are down 50% now that we actively ignore them!"

Don't ever want to cross a street again. Ever

Babymech says...

I want to hear that too...

Some possibly non-causal observations to the contrary from a biased party: "Total red-light running crash fatalities decreased 22% from 2007 to 2011, as the number of communities with red-light safety cameras increased 135%.... Within a few months after red-light cameras stopped operating in Virginia Beach, red-light running rates tripled at intersections where cameras were shut down...

A 2012 study by the Texas Transportation Institute found right-angle red-light running crashes decreased by 24% at intersections with red-light safety cameras.

A 2011 study by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety found red-light safety cameras lowered red-light running fatalities by 24% and the rate of all types of fatal crashes at signalized intersections by 17% in a study of 14 large U.S. cities."

(all from http://www.atsol.com/fact-sheets/ )

But maybe there are other other studies, with a more catchy, 'freaky' approach?

ChaosEngine said:

@SFOGuy
"I know, Freakanomics style, that red light cameras increase the number of red light runners"

Really? What's the explanation of that?

Don't ever want to cross a street again. Ever

Don't ever want to cross a street again. Ever

sixshot says...

Knowing that there's always someone out there who's gonna try to run red light, I've developed the habit of looking both ways before going -- yes the same system for pedestrian, adapted for driving. Yes, I admit that there were a couple of times I accidentally ran reds. But any sane driver out there knows that if you don't know the timing of the yellow as it transitions to red, you're better off stopping anyway.

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The One Ring Explained. Lord of the Rings Mythology Part 2

TheFreak says...

When I originally saw the scene, in the theater, where Gandalf confronts the Balrog at the bridge of Khazad-dûm, I believe I saw a tiny flash of bright red light from Gandalf's hand right before he struck the bridge with his staff. I have not been able to identify that detail in any small screen viewing of the film but I'm almost certain I saw it in the theater. I believe that was the power of Narya being summoned.

MilkmanDan said:

Narya is the "ring of fire", and in the timeline of LoTR it is held by Gandalf. Which makes sense, because he does a lot of fire-related stuff with his magic.

Motorcyclist Lands like A Ninja After Being Hit by A Car

rancor says...

That's why I don't recommend it to anyone who isn't paranoid about traffic. Even in my car, I check for red-light runners before going through any intersection (from a stop, anyway). I once heard a story about some lady getting ticketed in such a collision, when she was the one with the green light. Maybe the story is untrue, but everyone is responsible for safe traversal of an intersection. Just because you "had the right of way" doesn't mean you couldn't have prevented a collision with a little extra care.

Ferguson Police Acted as Revenue Agents, Fining Everything

Trancecoach says...

Where I live, in California, they shortened the yellow traffic lights by a second or two after installing red-light cameras as a way of boosting revenue by ticketing drivers with slower reflexes who had grown accustomed to the longer yellow lights.

Over the Thanksgiving holiday, I was visiting family in NJ, and learned from a friend's report that the police had started ticketing highway drivers who were in the left-most lane who were not in the midst of passing anyone. Failure to keep right is now penalized with hefty fines.

Sleepy Driver Causes Three-Vehicle Crash in Pennsylvania

Sniper007 says...

True that. He even had at least one easy chance to stop it when there was the red light. Run up to the driver's window, and have a little talk...

But naw, instead follow close enough behind to become part of the accident. Ug.

Garbage truck rams tow truck carrying a car

lucky760 says...

There's no question who's at fault. The tow truck had a red light for 6 FUCKING SECONDS before it entered the intersection and got t-boned.

I severely hope the person in the small car was uninjured.

Garbage truck rams tow truck carrying a car

rayok says...

Title makes it seem like it was the garbage truck's fault but it wasn't. Everyone was stopping for a red light but the tow truck ran the light, swerved when the garbage truck was trying to turn left, and fell over..

Insurance scam doesn't go as planned

Lawdeedaw says...

I bicycle around, and the one thing I note about it is that I put myself in a situation to get run over every day. See, I live in Florida, so that goes without saying. Here, people don't give the right away to shit. Red light on turn, when I have the crosswalk sigh? Well fuck me.

I find this whole thing funny because I pay attention to people walking so freaking close to my car. I mean the guy could have carjacked her because of this inattention. The guy was pretty brass about it since he made sure to flag someone before falling. Lastly, if you're the van, you don't poke your fucking van out in the middle of the street without a view of both ways. It DOES NOT MATTER if traffic is stopped one way, you don't do it. By her constant need to turn this way and that, she could not obviously, or safely, see both ways.

Ironically I thought he fell in front of the Van, but then noticed he fell to the side of it. Bad day that it turned I myself would have noticed the turn signal... But as I said, I would have also noticed someone blatantly waving and approaching my vehicle...

Another point; some would say that identity theft is the fault of most victims. You leave something if your trash with information, don't regularly clear out your mailbox, pay with a debit card, etc...not sure if you have ever done those things but if you have you definitely opened yourself up for the fraud.

lucky760 said:

As Clint Eastwood said as William Munny:

Deserve's got nothing to do with it.

I feel like I've tried to make this rather fine point a lot over the years on the Sift: I'm not saying he *should* or *deserves to* be run over by a car for trying to pull a con.

What I'm saying is he put himself into a situation where he could get run over by a car and did so of his own volition with blatant malicious intent. The fact that his pretending to get run over by a car actually resulted in him getting run over by a car yields zero sympathy with me.

Plus, I'm not sure what country you're in or if you're automotively insured, but if you are at fault of hitting someone with your car, you'll be screwed with insurance and paying a significantly higher rater for several years to come. It's not like a bank where your money is insured by the federal government and a robbery of the vault wouldn't affect you; the victim of an insurance scam is directly, immediately, and significantly fucked.

(Someone used my name when they were apparently at fault in an accident before I'd ever gotten my first insurance policy, and when I did first try to get insured, my premium was something like triple what it would've cost me otherwise.)

Again, not saying that ^that means he deserves to be crushed by a car, but he did it to himself. (Likewise, if he was playing Russian roulette and shot himself in the head, I wouldn't feel bad for him.)

You reap what you sow.

The Daily Show: Glass Half Empty

newtboy says...

Some of us STILL feel that way about cell phone users. ;-)
(I still say what my dad said in the 80's..."Cell phones are for people who are so unimportant that they can't afford to miss a phone call."...it's no longer true, but I still think it's funny.)
I think your examples are good theoretical reasons to tackle this issue now, while it's still possible to see the recording device....I keep wishing someone would actually make the facial recognition scrambler from 'A Scanner Darkly' for those of us that don't want to be tracked and recorded any time we leave our property. Of course, even if they did make it, I probably couldn't afford it.
I just HOPE these are just a fad and that they never catch on. I could really get behind them if they didn't have the camera/microphone built in, and instead relied on a good GPS to interact with the real world, but I know the answer to that wish...'good luck with that'.
At least, if you're correct, people can tell when the recorder is on, unless the indicator is broken or disabled. Remember, it's well known that it's fairly easy for hackers and the state to access your PC/laptop/cell phone camera without any indication that it's on, so the red light isn't a 'catch all' indicator, but it's way better than nothing.

ChaosEngine said:

It's pretty easy to laugh at glass users as inconsiderate dickheads with stupid looking technology. Ya know, the same way everyone did with cell phone users back in the 80s.

I don't particularly like glass or the concept of everyone recording all the time, but it is going to happen. And what's more, it's going to impossible to tell.

What happens when the camera/display aspect of glass becomes small enough that it's just a contact lens. Or projecting a bit further, when we have neural interfaces that can directly record vision? Yeah, it all sounds a bit sci-fi, but then so would a smartphone back in the 80s.

History has shown that almost every outright dismissal of new technology as a fad has been wrong.

@newtboy, by the way, I believe glass does have a visible recording indicator.



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