>> ^Payback:



Might have been an accidental quote, and he was just saying that.


I think we'll have to go on Judge Judy to find out what damages he owes me.

>> ^TheJehosephat:

Ahhh, deadpool. That's why I didn't find it.

>> ^jonny:
Likely a dupe of http://videosift.com/video/Johnny-Rotten-on-Judge-Judy, but I never saw the other so I can't say for certain.

What are the chance that there's another Johnny Rotten on Judge Judy video..Although that one is 7min long, so I guess that was a full segment.

Ahhh, deadpool. That's why I didn't find it.


>> ^jonny:

Likely a dupe of http://videosift.com/video/Johnny-Rotten-on-Judge-Judy, but I never saw the other so I can't say for certain.

Likely a dupe of http://videosift.com/video/Johnny-Rotten-on-Judge-Judy, but I never saw the other so I can't say for certain.

If this is a dupe, whoever last posted it had terrible tags

>> ^shuac:

The sad part is that this vid is likely a dupe and my comment will be lost in the ether...

Again, they cut out the best part. Judge Judy asked the drummer to show her where on his body he was [allegedly] assaulted. He points to his head to show the judge and Mr. Lydon said, "where his brains should be." I LAWLD out of my chair.

PiL rocks! Their new studio record is out, first one in 20 years! Woot!

The sad part is that this vid is likely a dupe and my comment will be lost in the ether...

I would like to hear a weekly siftquisition podcast. Maybe Judge Judy could guest host it.

>> ^chilaxe:
@legacy0100
'Asian countries have problems.'
The normal rules when discussing statistics should probably apply: exceptions don't disprove averages.


In that case, Japan and Singapore are the exceptions, and not in the way you mean.

1. I didn't know you were advocating for an ethnical immigration policy. I thought you were for meritocracy. Sorry for the confusion.

2. I've been to Taiwan, and I don't think I want the average Taiwanese to immigrate to the States. That goes for any other country. I want the best and brightest from Taiwan and from Nigeria as well. That's my version of meritocracy.

3. Flawed flawed flawed reasoning. I don't know where to start:
a) this is broken down by race, a physical characteristic, not sub-culture,
b) I strongly disagree that income equals productivity.
c)I guess you could count crime as a "cost"; but it's not by a longshot the only one. BTW, those aren't crime rates, those are arrest rates. conviction rates would reflect crime; arrest rates reflect who the cops harrass more.
d) you start with race, and try to create some correlation with some nebulous undefined "culture", whose defining characteristic is that is it tied to race.
e) So, what should I do with this chart? Should I adjust my immigration policy, my hiring, and my school admissions policy? Again, seems to go against this pure meritocracy you're always crowing about.
..........

>> ^chilaxe:
@longde
1. "Is that just some unjustified xenophobia?"
Wait, since when is advocating immigration by people of Asian culture xenophobic? Isn't that the opposite? That seems like a big oversight.
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2. "I know other [Taiwanese] who are here illegally, making money by breaking the law."
The normal rules when discussing statistics should probably apply: exceptions don't disprove averages.
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3. "Do you have an objective measure?"
Here's data pointing to how much people of Asian American background contribute to US society vs. how much they cost US society relative to other sub-cultures (including people of white background):
1. Average income per capita by race.png
2. Average crime rates by race.png
It seems a reasonable conclusion would be that the more people of Asian culture we have, the better off we'd be, since they outperform the majority group even though they're a minority. If the cause is they have better personal culture on average, then we can create the best parts of that culture within ourselves.
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4."Same thing with every low economic group in America. I know members of these groups who are hardworking..."
Yeah, it's good to note that we're only talking about averages. Middle-class members of low economic groups are welcome to dissociated themselves from the lower-class wings of their ethnicity, same as whites and asians do within their ethnicity. (For example, people of white background don't think rednecks have any relevance to them).

Also, I'm curious. Do you have an objective measure for what group is a drain, or is that just some unjustified xenophobia? Have you measured the GDP of Taiwanese (and other groups) in america somehow? Cause I don't know how < 1% of the population outproduce the large groups you consider "drains".
Methinks you're talking out of your ass on this one. >> ^chilaxe:
Right, their motivation is personal benefit, but the difference comes from that their "selfish" useful productivity contributes to society more than they take (the definition of prosociality), as opposed to being a drain on the economy like other sub-cultures.
>> ^longde:
Immigrants who overstay visas don't do it out a sense of altruism, to help our country. They do it to benefit illegally from the bounty of our society. In that sense, they are very much like welfare cheats.
>> ^chilaxe:
@legacy0100 "All other ethnic groups would have their own ways to solve their problems with the US government... From my Taiwanese roommate, I learned that you can manage to stay in the US past your visa renewal limit..."
Sounds like something of a false symmetry. People from Taiwanese culture who overstay in the US so they can contribute to society doesn't seem on par with other cultures freeloading off of welfare or various methods of fraud to avoid payments into government revenue.

Says you. I know Taiwanese immigrants, some of whom went to grad school with me and are very productive. I know others who are here illegally, making money by breaking the law. Same thing in Taiwan itself; there are hardworkers, shady folks, and yes lazy louts. Taiwanese/Taiwanese American culture is not inherently hardworking and meritocratic.

It's not the group its the individual; I thought you of all people might understand that.

Same thing with every low economic group in America. I know members of these groups who are hardworking, and others who are shady and lazy. No ethnic culture is inherently one way or another.

>> ^chilaxe:
Right, their motivation is personal benefit, but the difference comes from that their "selfish" useful productivity contributes to society more than they take (the definition of prosociality), as opposed to being a drain on the economy like other sub-cultures.
>> ^longde:
Immigrants who overstay visas don't do it out a sense of altruism, to help our country. They do it to benefit illegally from the bounty of our society. In that sense, they are very much like welfare cheats.
>> ^chilaxe:
@legacy0100 "All other ethnic groups would have their own ways to solve their problems with the US government... From my Taiwanese roommate, I learned that you can manage to stay in the US past your visa renewal limit..."
Sounds like something of a false symmetry. People from Taiwanese culture who overstay in the US so they can contribute to society doesn't seem on par with other cultures freeloading off of welfare or various methods of fraud to avoid payments into government revenue.

>> ^chilaxe:

"I'm not saying you're a racist; I'm saying you're LIKE a racist."
It's generally felt that when we communicate a message, the message is more important than the wording, even if we claim to have "merely pointed out similarities." That's the standard Jon Stewart and the Sift community hold Fox News to when they try that defense.
>> ^Boise_Lib:
>> ^marinara:
using the v word, vermin does not cross a line.
what if people are literally living inside walls, and defecating in food sources?
If QM is using hate speech (which is banned) THEN PROVE IT.
comparing QM to Hitler doesn't mean shit.

I didn't accuse qm of either hate speech or racism. I just pointed out some similarity.



Fox News...Not Racist but #1 with Racists!

"I'm not saying you're a racist; I'm saying you're LIKE a racist."

It's generally felt that when we communicate a message, the message is more important than the wording, even if we claim to have "merely pointed out similarities." That's the standard Jon Stewart and the Sift community hold Fox News to when they try that defense.
>> ^Boise_Lib:

>> ^marinara:
using the v word, vermin does not cross a line.
what if people are literally living inside walls, and defecating in food sources?
If QM is using hate speech (which is banned) THEN PROVE IT.
comparing QM to Hitler doesn't mean shit.

I didn't accuse qm of either hate speech or racism. I just pointed out some similarity.

Right, their motivation is personal benefit, but the difference comes from that their "selfish" useful productivity contributes to society more than they take (the definition of prosociality), as opposed to being a drain on the economy like other sub-cultures.
>> ^longde:

Immigrants who overstay visas don't do it out a sense of altruism, to help our country. They do it to benefit illegally from the bounty of our society. In that sense, they are very much like welfare cheats.
>> ^chilaxe:
@legacy0100 "All other ethnic groups would have their own ways to solve their problems with the US government... From my Taiwanese roommate, I learned that you can manage to stay in the US past your visa renewal limit..."
Sounds like something of a false symmetry. People from Taiwanese culture who overstay in the US so they can contribute to society doesn't seem on par with other cultures freeloading off of welfare or various methods of fraud to avoid payments into government revenue.

>> ^marinara:

using the v word, vermin does not cross a line.
what if people are literally living inside walls, and defecating in food sources?
If QM is using hate speech (which is banned) THEN PROVE IT.
comparing QM to Hitler doesn't mean shit.


I didn't accuse qm of either hate speech or racism. I just pointed out some similarity.