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Structure Fire Millers Falls 11/8/22

Brainwashed

moonsammy says...

Oops this turned into a semi rant. But I am legitimately open to discussion here, and am curious to get your thoughts on a few points Bob. That is, IF you're willing to actually think about them beyond the level of repeating talking points.

I find it interesting how divergent the two overall "sides" are in this country, in terms of where they focus. None of the issues brought up in this video are really on the radar of most progressives, beyond being aware some on the right are talking about them. And I'm guessing a lot of the concerns progressives discuss rarely come up in your chosen media landscape. A lot of the issues in the video are largely off of my radar, and I have to wonder how you feel they should be addressed - like, actual proposed solutions rather than just complaining about / worrying about them.

We only dedicate one day to remember our fallen soldiers

How many should there be? Arguably we have more than one already: there's Memorial Day and Veterans Day, and it seems that Sept 11th is often used for the purpose as well.

I'd argue we should spend more time acknowledging and understanding the principals behind WHY our soldiers died in the various conflicts which caused them to fall in the first place. Let's make sure our citizenry appreciates what we collectively rejected in the Revolutionary war. Why it was important that we kept the country together rather than allowing the south to split off in the mid-1800s. Why we chose to honor our diplomatic agreements and support our allies in WW1. Why we fought against the countries and governments we did in WW2. What our goals were in Korea and Vietnam, and what lessons we learned from those conflicts and from the Cold War in general. Commemorating and remembering those we've lost absolutely matters, but if we're ONLY doing that while forgetting why they fought OR ignoring what we learned then we're doing them an equal or greater disservice. Remember that America was built on the idea of forming "a more perfect union" - not a perfect one, a MORE perfect one - a work in progress. We're striving towards an ideal, not assuming we're already there. Learning from our past successes, failures, and our struggles around both outcomes is vital. If our self-analysis is no deeper than hero worship we'll never make real progress towards that theoretical perfect union.


The only mask that's gonna save us is duct tape on their mouths

Yeah, sound medical advice and evidence-based science is terrifying. Better to shut up those whose words we dislike, because we're reactionary authoritarian babymen. I truly do not understand being more afraid of reasonable safety measures than of a virus which has been shown to cause serious harm in the short and long terms. The only reason this "masks = liberal / maskless = conservative" crap came about is because politics has devolved to the level of team sports in the US, and one party has chosen "the opposite of whatever our political opponents say" as their entire governing philosophy. (And yes, ONE party - research and understand the GOP's 2020 platform if you want to argue the point.) This video even seems to reach a reasonable conclusion at the end, while coming up just short of that final logical leap to "maybe I should question what the public faces of MY side have been claiming in this Us vs Them madness." Seriously - keep going friend, you're almost there! George Washington was 100% right in wanting to avoid political parties being a force in the US, and it makes me immensely sad that his fears came true.


Big oil runs the world / the only wars to get fought are with the countries who have natural resources they want

Solid point here, no sarcasm. The US military has long been a tool of our profit-driven form of "free market" imperialism. A really great way to combat this, specifically with an eye to ending Big Oil's goddamn death grip on our foreign policy goals, would be an aggressive implementation of renewable energy projects. Remember the space race? America can be an absolute beast at clever engineering solutions when we dedicate ourselves to it. Fuck the petrostates, we have the available land and resources to absolutely kick ass in the realms of solar and wind power, and be leaders in the the post-hydrocarbon reality. We can certainly agree on that, right Bob? Left / Right nonsense fully aside, I think any reasonable American can agree on at least two points: let's stop sending heaps of cash to buy oil off of the Saudis (etc), and Fuck Cancer.


But if a white man acts too white he's white trash / he's a racist he's a bigot he's a monster

What the fuck is this horseshit? What does "acting too white" even fucking look like? Watching NASCAR on a sailboat while listening to polka? Typically when I see racism from white people it's in the form of denying that brown-hued people deal with any additional difficulties in life due to their skin tone, or denying that there have been structural obstacles for them through history, or lamenting that their white children are being burdened with a broader lens on culture or with (gasp! shock!) an accurate accounting of actual US history, including the ugly bits that we shouldn't be proud of (but MUST learn from). I'm progressive / lefty as fuck and there is no aspect of "white culture" or "acting white" which upsets me in the slightest. UNLESS one counts "denying racism exists / has ever existed" as a fundamental value of being white. Which... why would anyone want to claim that nonsense? If you want to listen to classic country music in a rusty pickup truck while driving to an evangelical church, then discuss hockey over Buds after 18 holes with the rest of your tractor pull team, then absolutely go nuts my fellow caucusoid! Just recognize and understand that your life experiences may not be the same as those of others. Further, if we care about trying to avoid unnecessary, avoidable unfairness in life (recognizing that life will never truly be fair, for anyone), then it might be reasonable for some governmental / legal / structural recognition in furtherance of that notion. There is absolutely room for legitimate policy disagreement here without being accused of racism. It's denial of others' reality which tends to garner the label of racist (sexist etc) - steer clear of denying the lived experiences of other people, allow for the possibility they may have encountered difficulties you haven't / won't, and we've room for further discussion.

Edit / final point: I voted the video back up to 0 from the -1 where I found it. Because while I disagree with a lot of the positions taken by the performer, they may have reached them through no fault of their own and with no true malice. Misinformation / disinformation is a devious shit of a motherfucker, and the rot it causes can run deep. It is painful to abandon deeply-held beliefs, on a fundamental level. If nothing else, the video gives us room to discuss some specific viewpoints held by people who think of themselves as good, but which can lead to harm.

Arizona Republicans Attacking People Trying To Vote

newtboy says...

In another case of Republicans physically attacking political enemies this election, the FBI is investigating a politically motivated terrorist attack in San Francisco.
During a home invasion 82 year old Paul Pelosi was attacked in his home by a man wielding a hammer. Before and during the attack on Mr Pelosi the man was searching their home and yelling “where’s Nancy”. He attempted to tie Mr Pelosi up to “wait for Nancy” when police arrived and he attacked with the hammer, hitting Pelosi in the head before police intervened. Pelosi is undergoing brain surgery.

This was clearly and undeniably another assassination attempt against Pelosi by another terrorist nutjob egged on by the entire MAGot party. (Menacing Americans with Guns)
This is what can be expected as “normal” if the right regains control. Political kidnappings and murders, all cheered on and excused by the leadership.
Watch, the right is going to stand behind this attempted murderer and call him a hero.

@bobknight33, where were you last night? Party of death, destruction, and debauchery….you sure as fucking hell are. Also the party of repeated political kidnappings, thousands of political assaults, and multiple attempted political assassinations. Wow.
Anti democracy to extremes never considered before MAGA.

How Eliud Kipchoge Ran a Sub 2 Hour Marathon

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

LMFAHS!!….are you so delusional you think I’m a Cheney fan or something?

She’s a real Republican, not a cult of personality cultist, and actually still (relatively) sane unlike the rest of you, but she’s no friend or hero to me.
Simply not being a delusional sycophantic anti American cultist is well below my bar, but it is head and shoulders above 90% of the right.

What are you doing? Memeing your own party to antagonize the libs? Rubbing it in our faces how deep in the cult you are? How’s that working out for you guys? 😂

Also….fake news, election fraud, Cheney got more votes, the most votes ever, MAGA moron and Trump cheated, hacked the machines, submitted thousands of fraudulent votes. Invalid election, do over. Not the legitimate candidate so she can’t ever be a legitimate representative. 😂


bobknight33 said:

Cheney attack memes

San Mateo Sheriff Raids Batmobile Garage In Indiana

luxintenebris says...

great reporting. he did that well. set it up, filled in the damning details then - 🤦 - he's a MINISTER! Batman is his HERO!

"additional evidence" reads more like 'we have no case, will let it drop if you do'. the cops/lawyers are using it as cover. Hoping to wait out a possible civil suit.

Richie Rich should have known he was the problem. what vendor passes over 200K? seems like the buyer is too fat, flush & short a soul. what a douche.

BSR: I'd say it's Two-Face since the Duck w/the Bucks, Sheriff Swindle, and Marie McNotLaughin are talking out boths sides of their mouths.

Biden and the June job reports

newtboy says...

Plenty of WOW guys and gals, all of which were Trumpist heroes above reproach to your ilk before they testified. Here’s a small sample….
https://videosift.com/video/Some-Big-Moments-From-The-Jan-6-Hearings-So-Far

See…he, Trump, IS guilty guy, that’s why all the testimony and evidence points that way.

Trump and Giuliani and other conspirators refuse to testify….and you whine it’s unfair you don’t hear their “side”.
Edit: Bannon was just convicted on two counts for refusing to testify or turn over documents, more coming. Up to two years in club fed.
Hmmmmm….I wonder why we only get “one side”. Couldn’t be because the “other side” won’t even show up, no, must be because they won’t allow them to speak…yeah yeah, that’s it. 🤦‍♂️

One side boycotted the investigation outright. Now you whine you aren’t represented.

Too bad you are too thick to grasp this isn’t a trial with cross examination, but I know the feigned ignorance is just a blanket you clutch and suck. It’s a bipartisan investigative committee hearing.

bobknight33 said:

This is your WOW guy . See he ( trump) is guilty guy.
One side no cross.

Hayes: NRA "Good Guy With A Gun" Theory Failed In Real Time

newtboy says...

Yep…not true at Parkland, wasn’t true here. There were DOZENS of “good guys with guns” milling around outside, and 19 inside, not one even tried to help, some assaulted students, parents, and teachers, but not the shooter.

Edit: 19 officers were inside, on the other side of the door while children were being shot to death for 45 minutes…during which time they heard the screams of children being shot to death, they received multiple calls from inside the classroom explaining that there were multiple dead kids, multiple still living children, and more being shot with every call, yet they did absolutely nothing but wait. They claim today that they decided he was a barricaded suspect and there was no time pressure to stop him despite being able to hear children being murdered just feet away from where they stood with their thumbs up their asses.
It now seems, according to today’s story from police (a story that changes with every telling) even the tactical team from border police was on scene almost 40 minutes before they went in.

*doublepromote *quality debunking of another of the right’s idiotic talking points.

I think 21 officers from that force need to be executed on the spot by grieving parents, with no charges for the shooters, and the rest fired and banned from being even unarmed security guards for life, with prison if they even attempt another job in law enforcement. This was undeniable proof that police aren’t heroes, aren’t there to protect the public, and are in reality just cowardly thugs with guns and authority that don’t step up when needed.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Actually no you haven’t, and yes you clearly do care what party they’re in. You may have said you think that, but your actions and arguments speak louder than your lies. Remember claiming you weren’t sexist at all minutes before (keyboard) screaming MGTOW!!!
Remember saying it was not just ok, but smart that Trump lied in depositions under oath? That only a stupid person would tell the truth if it might get them in trouble? Then you clearly stated wrong is right….and those are not the only instances.

You ignored the vote stealing, actually claimed the Republican vote harvester that admitted (his campaign workers) voting for himself thousands of times was punished when you KNOW he wasn’t because it was your district, and he remained in office until he withdrew on his own for personal reasons. Zero punishment whatsoever but you lie about it because he’s Republican.

You still call democrats the party of debauchery with zero evidence to cite, but can’t fathom that the reason I never find “my team” (I’m a Democrat only by default btw) doing that kind of wrong is because I only pay attention to reputable sources like court records and not often anonymous lying blowhards trying to score political points against their enemies, and reputable sources and police never find democrat representatives molesting children, trafficking them for sex, having cocaine fueled lemon parties, exposing themselves to pre teen girls in bowling alleys, picking up 12 year old girls in malls, having parties with Epstein and young girls and no one else, covering for child molesting coaches for decades, being long term pen palls with convicted kiddie porn producers while in office, admitting to driving for hours intending to have sex with an 11 year old girl, rewriting marriage laws so it’s legal to marry and have sex with 9 year old children, etc. …do I need to put names to all those charges? Because I can. You ignore every one of those credible accusations against Republicans and make up random accusations out of thin air about Democrats constantly.

Stealing, your hero Trump was convicted of stealing from charities for veterans, and students, and every contractor that ever worked for him, you don’t care one whit. He tried to steal an election (or two) and you cheer it on.

Cheating, why are you a Republican then, they get caught cheating for real daily, not MTG style baseless accusations based on someone’s Twitter claim. Your own district was the most egregious cheating scandal in decades, by republicans, and you would have gladly voted for him again, maybe twice. Have you forgotten how many of Trump’s administration ended up being unreported foreign assets? Hiding their foreign payments and cheating the system to allow foreign influence in our whitehouse?

It is odd, you would think statistically there must be some Democrat representative child molesters, I assume there are, but if there are they are smart enough that they aren’t getting caught. Republicans constantly are getting caught, and you are constantly ignoring it.

I do call out Pelosi for insider trading, and say she isn’t the only Democrat guilty of that crime against America, but I also say Republicans do it as a matter of course daily. Republicans went to court to make it legal for corporations to bribe them with pacs and super pacs and block any attempt to make bribery illegal again.

So you are just incorrect, again. Doesn’t that get tiring?

bobknight33 said:

WTF

have always said wrong is wrong, Vote stealing, Pedophile, Stealing, cheating.
I don't care what party they are on Wrong is wrong.

Somehow you you never find "your team" doing wrong. Odd or you just being a hypocrite?

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

A Republican-appointed judge issued a stunning attack against Donald Trump in a trial of a Capitol rioter who was found guilty this past week by a jury. The judge blasted Trump as a "charlatan" who is taking advantage of gullible people, and said that the former President doesn't seem to care about democracy. These are strong, and very true, words against Trump, especially from a Republican judge.

“ You know, I think our democracy's in trouble because unfortunately we have charlatans like our former president who doesn't in my view really care about democracy, but only about power.
And as a result of that, it's tearing this country apart. I have a concern that we unfortunately, [have] American citizens who were so gullible that they were willing to accept what was being said without any proof that the allegations about the election had any merit whatsoever. People are just outraged at how they feel our system is not taking seriously what happened on that day because of their fear of the future for this country.”

That’s what Republican judges are saying on the bench.

Enjoy.

P.s. Another hero, Alex Jones, closed shop on his network and other businesses, claiming $1-$10 million in liabilities and $0-$50k in assets for each one. It seems he thinks this lie will let him escape hundreds of millions in liability for the Sandy Hook lawsuits, even though he reported earning over $165 million just since they began.
Bye Felicia.

Brooklyn subway shooting has disappeared from the headlines

newtboy says...

More overtly racist propaganda from @bobknight33, who can always be counted onto take the racist side of any argument….and to make one if it doesn’t exist.

Who always sees white mass shooters as heroic or victims but bat shit crazy black mass shooters as racist mass murderers and terrorists….and pretends he isn’t a blatant consistent racist.

Good job, bob. Proved it again.

I would point out, Rittenhouse had an entire political party supporting his planned and targeted racist murders and calling him a hero, this crazy nut bag has no one supporting his random mass shootings.

This Man Votes

luxintenebris says...

oh geez...he only did that ONE TIME! America is already tired of hearing about that... /s

is that the 'fake news' referred to, Ivan?

hadn't heard that the shooter was a Kool-Aid drinker (source?) but did hear that the attack was in a neighborhood with a vastly Hispanic/Asian populace.

so why the inference of 'lefty-ism'? NY? black? if so, shouldn't that be offset by being a mass shooter?

anyway check out this picture at this site... https://www.curbed.com/2022/04/francisco-puebla-subway-suspect-frank-james.html
..seems that hero's 'salute' is more American than this...
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/06/23/37698406-9120301-image-a-41_1609977097492.jpg

Hail Ukraine!

bobknight33 said:

At least he has yet to shoot up people on a NY subway. Why is it that leftest (𝙡𝙚𝙛𝙩𝙞𝙨𝙩) see everything as racist? So narrow minded (𝙣𝙖𝙧𝙧𝙤𝙬-𝙢𝙞𝙣𝙙𝙚𝙙) . When you see a white man walking a black dog you see it as racist. Nothing racist in yesterdays (𝙮𝙚𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙙𝙖𝙮'𝙨) NY subway shooting. Just a radical leftest (𝙡𝙚𝙛𝙩𝙞𝙨𝙩) drinking the fake news Kool Aid (𝙆𝙤𝙤𝙡-𝘼𝙞𝙙).

[damn. it's must be a homage to Scooby Coup. neither use spell check]

Will Smith smacks Chris Rock on stage at Oscars Uncensored

JiggaJonson says...

I confuse my heroes who are characters with the actors that play them sometimes.
Apparently, Will Smith is not the guy from The Pursuit of Happiness.
Apparently, Will Smith is not Fresh Prince.
Apparently, Will Smith is not that heroic pilot from Independance Day.
Apparently, Will Smith is an asshole.

bremnet said:

Love the Academy's statement: "The Academy does not condone violence of any form", and yet they just did. Here's your trophy, congratulations. Pretty gutless. Can't wait for the first angry dad punching out a ref or umpire at his kid's game, and uses the Will Smith defense... "It was a bad joke so I broke his jaw". What an excellent role model.

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