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The most INTENSE Night Ride I've ever done

noims jokingly says...

Yep. My first thought was no brakes, no lights, not a lot of consideration for others.

BSR, surely it's against the sift rules for you to put this here to help drum up business! 🚴‍♂️ 💀 🤑

newtboy said:

Looks fun, but I can’t support all the light running and wrong way weaving through traffic.
Also, if you’re going to ride with no brakes, learn how first. There are multiple ways to stop with no brakes that he didn’t know.

People like them give cyclers a bad rep.

The most INTENSE Night Ride I've ever done

newtboy says...

Looks fun, but I can’t support all the light running and wrong way weaving through traffic.
Also, if you’re going to ride with no brakes, learn how first. There are multiple ways to stop with no brakes that he didn’t know.

People like them give cyclers a bad rep.

Child dragged by school bus in Kentucky

BSR says...

If the bus driver had to slam on the brakes the guy standing in the aisle would probably go through windshield. To hell with seatbelts!

Also, Family of girl dragged by JCPS school bus gets nearly $5M in settlement. Bazinga!

BSR (Member Profile)

Truck Narrowly Misses School Bus After Brakes Fail

moonsammy says...

"You don't wanna know."

Why the f not? What, like he'll just think 'oh ok then'? I think an adult saying "Looks like the truck's brakes failed. I've never seen that before" would be more comforting than "for you it's a mystery, best not worry about it."

Relative velocity | Demonstration

newtboy (Member Profile)

Dog Crashes Car

Khufu says...

ya, if not for safety... do it for your transmission.

edit:

I just remembered jeeps actually had a recall a few years back for electronic parking brakes randomly letting go... which is how Anton Yelchin died. Seems like that's not what happened here though.

moonsammy said:

Parked on a hill? Parking brake. Always.

Dog Crashes Car

tried to carjack armored truck but it did NOT go as planned

Khufu says...

I love the attempts of the driver to hit the brakes... he's already in reverse and moving forward, but still tries the brakes.

Tesla driver loses control as car speeds down street

newtboy says...

That’s Tesla’s position…but no.

The man had been complaining about the brakes not working properly for months according to his family (yet kept driving, making him culpable imo).

It’s easily possible his brake sensor failed on the pedal, then there would be no light. Since I assume, to be capable of autopilot, Tesla brakes are by wire/electrical, not hydraulic, a simple sensor failure means no brakes at all and no brake lights. (And no record that he hit the brakes)

Again, never once heard of a panic pedal misidentification lasting 1/2 that long. Possible, but unlikely. 99/100 of pedal misidentification are well under 1 second mistakes during parking. There have been many reports of throttle sticking/ accelerating without throttle input in teslas.

Since Tesla denies fault EVERY TIME NO MATTER WHAT, and hides the vast majority of driver assisted crashes, I’ll wait for the third party investigation, but on the surface, to me, it looks like a software (or hardware) failure….and that’s what the driver says too.

bcglorf said:

Not that I want to be siding with the corporation, but I'm inclined to believe that at least the brake lights would've remained connected to pressing the brake pedal, no?

And... not seeing any brake lights in that video, it looks like driver error and then panic.

Tesla driver loses control as car speeds down street

bcglorf says...

Not that I want to be siding with the corporation, but I'm inclined to believe that at least the brake lights would've remained connected to pressing the brake pedal, no?

And... not seeing any brake lights in that video, it looks like driver error and then panic.

newtboy said:

It absolutely looked like auto pilot taking control to me, I’ve never heard of someone mistaking the gas pedal for the brakes for 1/10 that timeframe, it’s usually under 1 second before they crash.

Hate to tell you but Tesla has denied fault every time auto pilot has failed. For instance, last year autopilot was involved in 273 crashes but only 35 had been reported since 2016, so clearly Tesla under reports. NTSB found that Tesla automatically turned off auto pilot just before it was going to crash to hide auto pilot involvement. New rules force reporting if auto pilot was in use 30 seconds before any crash, and cases increased exponentially overnight.

70% of all driver assistance involved crashes were Tesla.
5/6 fatalities were in Teslas, and the vast majority of serious injuries. (Now 7/8)

There’s a reason Tesla is under congressional investigation for killing people.

China does not trust Tesla to read the data without erasing or manipulating it. Reports I read said they were using a third party to go over the data because they believe Tesla will cover it up….as they believe Tesla has done before.

If you want to believe Musk when he again says “not my fault”, that’s your prerogative, but it’s not your prerogative not to tell others that’s the truth. Autopilot malfunctions are a documented issue….but occur far less often than driver malfunctions, it’s true. This is not the first reported runaway Tesla, just the first caught entirely on external cameras.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/15/tesla-autopilot-crashes/

Wait for the third party report to be sure, but all indications are this was an auto pilot malfunction, and Tesla doesn’t know more than we do right now because China isn’t giving them the car back.

Tesla driver loses control as car speeds down street

newtboy says...

It absolutely looked like auto pilot taking control to me, I’ve never heard of someone mistaking the gas pedal for the brakes for 1/10 that timeframe, it’s usually under 1 second before they crash.

Hate to tell you but Tesla has denied fault every time auto pilot has failed. For instance, last year autopilot was involved in 273 crashes but only 35 had been reported since 2016, so clearly Tesla under reports. NTSB found that Tesla automatically turned off auto pilot just before it was going to crash to hide auto pilot involvement. New rules force reporting if auto pilot was in use 30 seconds before any crash, and cases increased exponentially overnight.

70% of all driver assistance involved crashes were Tesla.
5/6 fatalities were in Teslas, and the vast majority of serious injuries. (Now 7/8)

There’s a reason Tesla is under congressional investigation for killing people.

China does not trust Tesla to read the data without erasing or manipulating it. Reports I read said they were using a third party to go over the data because they believe Tesla will cover it up….as they believe Tesla has done before.

If you want to believe Musk when he again says “not my fault”, that’s your prerogative, but it’s not your prerogative not to tell others that’s the truth. Autopilot malfunctions are a documented issue….but occur far less often than driver malfunctions, it’s true. This is not the first reported runaway Tesla, just the first caught entirely on external cameras.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/06/15/tesla-autopilot-crashes/

https://tickernews.co/tesla-crash-leaves-two-dead-in-china/

Wait for the third party report to be sure, but all indications are this was an auto pilot malfunction, and Tesla doesn’t know more than we do right now because China isn’t giving them the car back.

bcglorf said:

And, not sure of the reliability of the site, but at least at link below is being reported Tesla's China branch is reporting exactly that:

https://electrek.co/2022/11/13/tesla-china-responds-to-dramatic-crash-that-kills-two-video/

Tesla driver loses control as car speeds down street

bcglorf says...

Painful as it is to somewhat side with Bob, but...

this certainly has the look of someone mistakenly stomping on the accelerator instead of the brakes, and in a panic locking their foot to the floor trying to stop.

Not sure if Tesla's logs are as accessible to them in China, but unlike earlier "stuck accelerator" claims, Tesla may be able to clear point to log records showing if that was or wasn't the case here.

Tesla driver loses control as car speeds down street

newtboy says...

“Police ruled out that the driver was intoxicated.” Sorry.

At best it’s “Tesla is so powerful that it’s own brakes….they do nothing!”

bobknight33 said:

Tesla has nothing to do with this.

Title should be Drunk driver loses control as car speeds down street



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