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newtboy says...

I'm afraid my days of shrooming all night are long over, but they were good times....mostly, but I had my fill long ago. I pretty much stick to bong hits in my old age. Still, enough of them and Norcos (extra strength vicodin) I'll have no idea where I am, where I've been, or where I'm going (if anywhere). Good times...good times. ;-)
The death I speak of is usually from doing something stupid while 'high', but that's still death. Drugs that make you unaware of your real surroundings should only be taken with a responsible sitter and a good idea what you've gotten into, IMO.
As for permanent brain damage, I've seen it in friends from taking too much acid, no question. To be honest, never from just shrooming, but my circle never did amanita muscaria. (There's another way to die from psychedelics, it's easy to overdose on them from what I've read.)

enoch said:

i am not surprised we pretty much agree.

you should always be careful with any substance and to be informed is the first step.
was i careful at 15 with double barrel purple mescaline?---->nope.i was 15.

but i think the argument is getting caught up in distinctions,which is common.
when i speak of psychedelics,i am talking about:LSD,shrooms,mescaline.
and while exstacy is considered a psychedelic,and it IS a psychedelic (and awesome btw),i also consider that drug to be more a "club" drug,a designer drug,and yes...it can be fatal because often it is NOT mdma/mda you're are taking but a cocktail of bullshit with a few experimental chemistry molecules thrown in...so your cautionary tale is not exactly unfounded..but i have never seen shagen even suggest mdma/mda but almost exclusively:DMT.

now,i am fairly cautious in suggesting DMT to the uninitiated due to the fact of its potency (even in small amounts).there is no small build up with DMT,it goes from first gear to 15th in 2.2 seconds,and for a newcomer that can easily overwhelm and frighten.

for psychedelics to produce a positive and healthy response there first has to be interest in trying psychedelics out.the worst thing you could EVER do is "hey man,i just filled your beer with shroom tea" (you would notice though,that shit tastes like concentrated ass).

the person should also be in the right frame of mind and be in a place and with people they feel comfortable with and trust (very important the first time).knowing the dosage is important but not as important as you would think,as long as you take things slow and with patient care..things will sort out nicely.

as for death and permanent brain damage.i am not familiar with any cases except for the movie they showed us in the 7th grade with helen hunt thinking she could fly,because she took acid.i know psychedelics can affect a personality permanently (usually for the better) but nothing life threatening.i know too high a dosage on a novice mind can cause a "bad" trip and leave an unpleasant memory of the experience.there have been cases of latent mental illnesses manifesting due to the psychedelics,but it didnt CAUSE the mental illness.

from my own personal experience and what i have read,psychedelics are pretty safe.they are not a toy.they are an extremely powerful psychoactive compound that should always be treated with respect and to ignore that can have consequences.

but i dont think death and permanent brain damage are on that list.

unless you decided to do something stupid while tripping,but that is evolution,not psychedelics.

i could always come to california and we could drink shroom kool-aid.hang out on the moutain-side and watch the sunset and by the time we are watching the sunrise we will have become blood brothers and watched the universe expand in glorious birth pangs and then collapse upon itself in its death throes.talked to stars and danced with super novas.find ourselves in a meadow,thinking we walked half the state only to realize we are a 1/4 mile from your back porch.

i promise good times my friend.good times indeed.

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Stormsinger says...

Yay for magic... who needs evidence anyway?

And everyone knows that herbal medicines aren't chemicals, and aren't dangerous. May I suggest hemlock, amanita muscaria, and poison ivy as fine examples of the safety of herbal medicines?

I'm definitely not a fan of the pharma companies, but come on...this shit's just claiming that herbs = good, and that just ain't being honest.

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grinter says...

Amanita muscaria contain both the deleriant muscimol and its precursor ibotenic acid (among other things). Drinking the urine of the reindeer (or human) is helpful because a large percentage of the ibotenic acid (85% in humans) is not metabolized into muscimol, and finds it's way into the urine along with a little bit of the muscimol that was metabolized. So, upon drinking the urine, the drinker gets all of the ibotenic acid that their liver can handle and a tiny bonus of muscimol, all without having to eat a whole bunch of gritty, chicken-tasting mushrooms.

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Psychologic says...

Sounds like it was a mixture of drugs. The guys were apparently looking for Amanita Muscaria mushrooms, which are legal in the USA and quite different from those generally referred to as "Magic Mushrooms" (Psilocybe Cubensis).

I'm very curious as to the exact mixture he was given, but I doubt even he knows.

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choggie says...

You'd have to be hating yer liver to mess with Amanita Muscaria, and pretty desperate for a ragged trip-Stropharia Cubensis is safe as milk.....still hard on yer filter if you have a compromised system-wouldn't suggest any mushrooms for folks with liver problems.....Or, for folks so full of their own bullshit that they have become incapable of enjoying the ride......

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