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Ron Paul on Fema and Hurricane Irene

quantumushroom says...

What "reform"? If by reform you mean quickly firing the incompetent, scrapping useless and conflicting regulations, utilizing common sense and reducing costs because funds are limited, then forget it. Boondoggles via these government agencies NEVER go away, and both sides are all too eager to create more and more of them.

There is no doubt some good done by a FEMA, but likely at the expense of better or greater results by something or someone else whose services are actually held accountable.




>> ^Kofi:

I hate how libertarians of this variety just opt for "get rid of it all" rather than reform. They fail to acknowledge any good done by anything that might infringe on their "liberty". Well, congratz. You are free to die, starve and be homeless as a result of natural disaster. FREEDOM!

Ron Paul on Fema and Hurricane Irene

Yogi says...

>> ^blankfist:

The ire is up for RP. Looks like liberty is gaining ground and the statists are afraid.
Run chicken littles, run.


So there's no such thing as evolving? And FEMA helps no one? He sounds like a fucking idiot who would be fine with people dying in the Superdome. FEMA needs MORE money not less.

Ron Paul on Fema and Hurricane Irene

Lawdeedaw says...

>> ^Kofi:

I hate how libertarians of this variety just opt for "get rid of it all" rather than reform. They fail to acknowledge any good done by anything that might infringe on their "liberty". Well, congratz. You are free to die, starve and be homeless as a result of natural disaster. FREEDOM!


My question then Kofi is thus---we are trillions in debt even though all our programs are half-assed like FEMA.

Where, then, lies the intellect? They say we are 14 trillion in debt but then government is always likely to downplay real threats. The feds had powers to issue unlimited borrowing powers--and not put it on the books (From what I have read.) Some estimations are that we owe 40 trillion, the top end being 60 trillion. There is another way the funds are fudged, such as interdepartmental loans, and borrowing against future programs (Social security.)

That's not even mentioning every American citizen's debt. Hate to say it, but we have long lived past the means to be able to support these programs. I would rather support corn subsidizes than FEMA.

Ron Paul on Fema and Hurricane Irene

Lawdeedaw says...

>> ^Kofi:

I hate how libertarians of this variety just opt for "get rid of it all" rather than reform. They fail to acknowledge any good done by anything that might infringe on their "liberty". Well, congratz. You are free to die, starve and be homeless as a result of natural disaster. FREEDOM!


No, they say the money here is wasted and that it is money coming from somewhere we can't afford it.

Now RP, being ultra-lib, does go a bit father than me...okay, a lot father. For Ex, I believe in Unemployment insurance.

But where we agree is more. Assisted suicide, abortion (Insomuch as it being legal, but hating it personally,) the drug war, the wars overseas, etc.

Also, his philosophy counters policies that are too destructive on the opposite end (Such as improper search and seizure in the name of security, or corporate welfare...) Of course it is a losing position, but whatever. The oligarchy that both primary parties support (One knowingly, one unknowingly) is winning.

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Moxy Fruvous "The Drinking Song"

calvados says...

http://lyricwiki.org/Moxy_Früvous:The_Drinking_Song

(Mike)
And the band played on
As the helicopters whirred
Drunk on the lawn in a nuclear dawn
My senses finally blurred

He was a rock, to the end, a solid reminder
Couldn't deny a friend

(Mike & Jian)
We lived in the noise and the sweet amber poison

(Mike)
Peekin' up the skirt of the end

And we'd drink, two gnarly dudes and some records
Much like plates of black food

(Mike & Jian)
We filled up our faces, saw some far places

(Mike)
Stood on the roof in the nude

(All)
And the band played on
As the helicopters whirred
Drunk on the lawn in a nuclear dawn
My senses finally blurred

(Mike)
Between pulls, he said "We're like cows in the grass"
Brushing off flies

(Mike & Jian)
Chaise lounging around, standing up, falling down

(Mike)
Till we no longer opened our eyes

And we'd drink, ever notice how drinking's like war?
Cup o' troops o'er the gums

(Mike & Jian)
To the end of our health, a campaign 'gainst myself

(Mike)
Armed with bourbons and scotches and rums

(All)
And the band played on
As the helicopters whirred
Drunk on the lawn in a nuclear dawn
My senses finally blurred

(Mike)
Think of bombs, we're poised on the edge of disaster
Whether it's right or it's wrong

(Mike & Jian)
We opened the window, played some Nintendo

(Mike)
Sang a few bars of some pretty old song:

(All)
Irene goodnight, Irene goodnight
Goodnight Irene, goodnight Irene

(Mike)
I'll see you in my dreams

Oh to dream, those impotent bones of extinction
Flying graceful and free

(Mike & Jian)
None but the best 'cause the man cannot rest

(Mike)
Till he's finally beaten his me

(All)
And the band played on
As the helicopters whirred
Drunk on the lawn in a nuclear dawn
My senses finally blurred

(Mike)
Till the end, he passed out on the sundeck that morning
Quietly saying goodbye

(Mike & Jian)
But I was so hammered I sputtered and stammered

(Mike)
Told him he couldn't just die

He was a rock, went straight for his own Armageddon
Face froze in a grin

(Mike & Jian)
Ambulance flyin' in, I never drank again

(Mike)
Can't really call that a loss or a win

(All, acappella)
And the band played on
As the helicopters whirred
Drunk on the lawn in a nuclear dawn
My senses finally blurred

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Russian Mi-8 Chopper vs. Sea Water

calvados says...

I recall seeing this before somewhere and the comments suggested that he was having engine trouble which is what kept dropping him in the drink (certainly the first time he goes in, it really looks like the helo is falling rather than being flown down). The pilot's trying to power out of there towards the end, trying to use forward momentum as well as lift, when the rotor hits and goodnight Irene.

The helo's also supposed to be amphibious, so they say (it's an Mi-14), but I still can't imagine that it's made to bob around on the ocean for very long.



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