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Sagemind says...

I have to admit, being raised and living in Canada does leave one sheltered to some of these issues.
We are a nation of multi-culture. Yes, I hear about fighting on the news but it seems so far away when you never see it for real. I also hope the people immigrating to Canada will continue to leave some of this behind before coming over and joining our country. I know many come here for a fresh start but some can't help but hold on to old views. So far, they are still a minority and we have many programs aimed at teaching community and tolerance.

So ya, I guess I am a little sheltered on the issues.

In reply to this comment by demon_ix:
Well, first off, the world is much smaller today than it was in the 40s. Talking to others, learning about others, understanding others is much easier. The world Jews lived in until the 20s-40s (When the first waves of immigration or Aliyot as we call them started) was much different. Even though the Jewish communities in Europe were thousands of years old, they were still very much outsiders. There were Jewish neighborhoods, Synagogues and cemeteries were desecrated and there was occasional violence (In Russia they were called Pogroms).

My point in all of this, isn't to justify hatred, Israeli violence against Palestinians or anything like that.
It's simply this: Jews here still feel like the world is out to get us at worst, or simply resents us at best. Whenever I hear someone say the Jews control the US (paging Rick Sanchez), that Jews are greedy, even I get a little feeling that says "You're not safe, they don't trust you".

I'm one of the more informed Israelis. I go out on the web, I read more than just local stuff and I understand most of that is ignorance, but I am aware that true anti-semitism is still out there. A friend of mine is studying in Europe right now, and I hear stories of skinheads, swastikas and bricks-through-windows regularly.

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Bah, I talk too much

Sagemind says...

Thanks,
I know there is gray area here.
I also understand it's, historically, the definition of a group of people originally based in religion so your definition makes sense.
I've never understood ethnicity. a few hundred years ago, perhaps it would have made more sense, but in the world I've grown up in, especially in Canada, we are all mixed together and I don't see any differences between us. Maybe that's why the lines are becoming so blurred. It's no longer where are you from, more like what religion are you. People are always looking for terms to break everyone into groups.

I've read this is one of the downfalls of man. the need to separate and label everything instead of just looking at it as one thing. This goes for everything. No matter what it is, there is always another breakdown and everything gets a label.

I think Dr Seuss had the point when he created the story of the The Sneetches





In reply to this comment by demon_ix:
Well, while it's not a nationality, to me, being a Jew is both an ethnicity and a religion. As an Atheist I reject the religious ideas, but I see it more not as a religion designed to spread and gain followers, but rather to keep the ethnic group together through customs, holidays and that stuff.

I was raised Jewish, but with a very light emphasis on religion, and I've decided I don't believe in God or whatever when I was around 9-10 years old. I'm still Jewish, though, because to me the actual religion is the side-effect.

That's my answer, basically

In reply to this comment by Sagemind:
Just a quick question...,

It is my understanding that the Jews, people of the Jewish Faith are of the religion Jewish.
Jewish is not a nationality.

So to say you are an Atheist Jew would be much like saying you are an Athiest Christian or an Athiest Muslim.
Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

Would it not be better said that you are an Athiest from a family that is primarily Jewish?
Sorry to get petty on this, It's just that I hear things like this a lot and though you may have some insight.
I'm not trying to be antagonistic in any way, I'm just curious!

Sagemind says...

Just a quick question...,

It is my understanding that the Jews, people of the Jewish Faith are of the religion Jewish.
Jewish is not a nationality.

So to say you are an Atheist Jew would be much like saying you are an Athiest Christian or an Athiest Muslim.
Sounds like an oxymoron to me.

Would it not be better said that you are an Athiest from a family that is primarily Jewish?
Sorry to get petty on this, It's just that I hear things like this a lot and though you may have some insight.
I'm not trying to be antagonistic in any way, I'm just curious!

In reply to this comment by demon_ix:
87%.

But I'm an Atheist Jew, so the odds are stacked in my favor

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