newtboy says... I agree. When racism is so institutionalized it may require a racist response to get to equality. I just think we need to be honest about it so, when equality is neared, we can end ALL institutional racism. To be clear, I identified as a feminist for around 25 years before realizing how the group as a whole didn't want fairness and equality because they wouldn't ever address an inequality they benefit from. Why would I work against my own interests for a group that never has my interests or well being, or even fairness and equality as a goal? Jinx said: I think it's an ugly necessity. Equality isn't about treating everybody the same. I mean, I wish we could do that, but then I wish people wouldn't decide if they are going to hire somebody from their very first glance. But that's what we do. We do nothing and we simply allow our unconscious bias to rule our decision making which, in most cases, would be great for somebody like me. I mean, I don't like it. I can understand entirely why people feel they have been cheated when somebody gets a job or promotion ahead of them just for the sake of ticking a diversity checkbox. Maybe you're right, maybe it is just adding energy to that pendulum, but then a pendulum without resistance swings forever. I hope conscious decisions to readdress imbalanced caused by unconscious bias works more as a dampening effect, as resistance. Back to semantics. Like the woman in the video, I probably had quite a knee-jerk response to men's rights. Sometimes probably warranted, but then some feminists have some pretty dumb things to say as well. Anyway, the person that helped changed by mind about it was a woman and a feminist. Don't define a group by it's most extreme edges because I think it just leads you to make uncharitable judgements about people that identify as part of that group before you've even really listened to them.