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Taking Personal Responsibility for Your Health

newtboy says...

Absolutely false. He's outright saying that stopping eating meat, and nothing else, is equivalent to stopping smoking, which is an outright lie.
He sells a lifestyle, with books, blogs, websites, videos, and appearances for sale. There's nothing wrong with that, unless you claim to not have a financial tie to your movement or financial incentives to mislead and exaggerate. He clearly does, and lies about that too.

Insisting on honesty does nothing to remove personal responsibility for yourself. Please.

No one mentions Dr Williams because he's not making up studies or results, he's offering a personal opinion and explanation of his personal actions...not lying to convince others to follow suit out of misplaced fear....like your hero, "Dr" Greger.

It's proper to attack the zealous liar that's making a living selling lies....like "Dr" Greger, no matter when they appear on screen.

One more example of him lying....taking "Consumption of foods high in saturated AND industrially produced trans fats, salt, and sugar is the cause of at least 14 million deaths" and restated it as "consumption of animal foods (and processed foods) leads to at least 14 million deaths."...but the study conclusion he references doesn't mention animal foods at all, he just added that, and emphasized it over what the study actually said while completely omitting processed plant based foods, which are just as bad as the meat ones according to the study. That's lying. Lies like that make it difficult to take personal responsibility for your health, because you have to debunk them to get to the good advice/actual facts.

transmorpher said:

All Dr. Greger is essentially saying is eat more vegetables & fruits - he's not selling some weird pill or bogus device.
You don't have to give him a cent, and can watch his videos for free. Yet everyone is acting like he's taking people's money and laughing all the way to the bank.

Funny how as soon as someone says to take responsibility for your own actions - people will do anything it takes to make sure they don't have to.

How come nobody has tried the character assassination technique on Dr. Kim Williams yet? (The top cardiologist in the US, mentioned at the end of the video, who is vegan specifically for health reasons) .

It's much easier to attack the first person the on screen that is telling you to take control of your life, because then you can feel good about not taking any action.

We Know What a Healthy Diet Is. Now Can We Stop Arguing?

Buttle says...

The trouble is, we don't know. Look at dietary cholesterol, demonized for years, now not that bad for you. Or trans fats -- it wasn't long ago at all that trans-loaded hydrogenated shortening was the healthy alternative to butter or coconut oil; not any more.

These are not just crazy fad diet issues, but the recommendations of the medical mainstream.

Science teacher got surprising results from McDonald's diet.

Drachen_Jager says...

Actually, according to bantransfats.com, McDonalds lied about eliminating trans fats. They lost a lawsuit on the subject and will have to post notices in all their stores saying that they still use trans fats.

Of course they are appealing the decision, so that may never happen.

Science teacher got surprising results from McDonald's diet.

RedSky says...

A) Not here in Ozland. Certainly remember seeing it on nutritional information but here's from their site:

https://mcdonalds.com.au/maccas-food/whats-in-it

"85% less trans fat than our previous blend." Certainly not none though

B) Interesting how in the link it talks about mold growth being dependant on it breaking out before loss of moisture in the first few days. The rate it decomposes is still hardly normal though. Especially the fries (mostly because of the sodium content):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfSTjLavkA8

Sarzy said:

Just FYI:

A) McDonald's long ago modified their menu to remove trans-fats.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB121151133018416567

B) The notion that McDonald's hamburgers don't get moldy because of the excessive use of preservatives has been debunked.

http://aht.seriouseats.com/archives/2010/11/the-burger-lab-revisiting-the-myth-of-the-12-year-old-burger-testing-results.html

Science teacher got surprising results from McDonald's diet.

Sarzy says...

Just FYI:

A) McDonald's long ago modified their menu to remove trans-fats.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB121151133018416567

B) The notion that McDonald's hamburgers don't get moldy because of the excessive use of preservatives has been debunked.

http://aht.seriouseats.com/archives/2010/11/the-burger-lab-revisiting-the-myth-of-the-12-year-old-burger-testing-results.html

RedSky said:

Trans-fats act as an insanely effective preservatives that keeps their produce looking like it'd been cryogenically frozen even years on. They're also have a reputation for clogging arteries causing heart attacks, strokes and the like.

Science teacher got surprising results from McDonald's diet.

ghark says...

The whole issue about calories is a misdirect, there are dozens of other more important reasons why McD's is worse than trash. A couple of examples - the food is loaded with all manner of artificial ingredients, it's lacking in quality fiber, it's highly processed (low nutritional value), and the quality of the macro ingredients is very poor - i.e. the use of trans-fats as @RedSky points out, as well as the use of poor quality sugars (i.e. HFCS) to sweeten the dough.

That's not even to mention the exploitation of their workers, rainforest clearing to raise cattle, wasteful use of plastic packaging etc.

Science teacher got surprising results from McDonald's diet.

RedSky says...

My guess would be he stuck to zero calorie drinks and avoided fries.

Had a quick on their nutritional website, a Big Mac is 520 calories, which is not great but not absurd. The issue is, you add a large fries (500) and coke (280) to that and you've added exactly 150% more calories on top.

All up being 1300 calories or about 2/3rds of your daily intake in one meal. Provided you avoided the sides though, it wouldn't be too hard to stick within the limits.

The issue is that MCD makes the minimum mandated attempt to educate customers. Australia legislates that food energy levels be published in a prominent fashion alongside the rough recommended daily energy intake of 8700kJ. They usually publish most of these on the side in small font. Having been over in France recently they didn't have them, I'm sure that's the case in most countries.

The larger issue with MCD and other fast food is the use of trans-fats and excessive sodium.

Trans-fats act as an insanely effective preservatives that keeps their produce looking like it'd been cryogenically frozen even years on. They're also have a reputation for clogging arteries causing heart attacks, strokes and the like.

Sodium which boosts blood pressure when ingested is a flavour enhancer which is probably why it's used in excessive amounts (e.g. a Big Mac has 40% of recommended daily Sodium). Even if this guy kept within calorie limits he would have easily been breaching recommended Sodium levels and in the long term would be elevating his risk of high blood pressure, stroke or various kidney diseases.

Lentil soup (food for sifting) (Food Talk Post)

oritteropo says...

I like to make my own stock from my veggie peelings and trimmings, I simmer them with a bay leaf and it ends up working pretty well.

Other times I use Massel veggie stock in a tin - http://www.massel.com.au/products/stock_powder.shtml - it's hard to find ones which don't have either MSG (I don't like the chemically after taste of MSG) or palm oil or trans fats (from Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil for instance) but that one is pretty good.

Another nice soup is spring vegetable soup, like this one:
http://www.jamieshomecookingskills.com.au/recipe.php?title=spring-vegetable-bean-soup

Or for the left over split red lentils, these koftesi have almost the same ingredients as the soup but make a quite different meal:
http://vegweb.com/recipes/kirmizi-mercimek-koftesi-red-lentil-burgers

Finally, a hearty soup for carnivores is Scotch broth:
http://www.jamieoliver.com/recipes/lamb-recipes/scotch-broth-with-winter-root-veg

It's interesting you mention Tamari, my Dad uses gravy powder in his veggie soup Strangely, the gravy powder I have is vegan... not sure how that works, but it tastes spot on.

chingalera said:

MMmmmmm... a few things to consider adding to a basic water/oil/savories type stock for anyone not wanting to use meat or chicken:

Tamari, Bragg's All-Purpose Seasoning, or there's this really good brand of vegetarian boullion Better Than Boullion, comes in about 5 varieties, including lobster and shrimp-You might also try some Traditional Molé, the Mexican paste used for tamales and other dishes...

This is a great basic procedural for most broth based, hearty soups-Nice one, oritteropo

Mmmmmm, loves me some Split Pea Soup now that I'm thinking about it....

Michael Greger, MD - The Cure for Heart Disease

silvercord says...

Hey Stormsinger,

There are plenty of studies on how the diet affects heart and circulatory health. Here is a compilation of some of them:

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/105/7/893.full

They conclude:

The most important dietary recommendations are as follows:

Keep an energy balance, indicated by a body mass index below 25 kg/m2.

Consume <10% of energy from saturated fat.
Consume <2% of energy from trans fat.
Eat (fatty) fish at least once a week.

Eat ≥400 g of vegetables and fruits per day.

Limit salt consumption to <6 g/d.
If these recommendations are followed, coronary heart disease can be eliminated to a large extent in the population aged <70 years, and by implementing these recommendations at middle-age, there will be lower annual costs for medical care in older age.


The data continues to pour in that diet can prevent and reverse heart disease. To the extent people eat healthily, they can benefit from the truth those studies serve to illuminate.

Stormsinger said:

I think you mean "ascends". Without peer-reviewed studies (which pretty well requires stats), it's not science.

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Wouldn't this just encourage the sale of Girl Scout cookies?

Sagemind says...

Fun Fact: "On Nov. 24, 2008, Girl Guides of Canada announced that they had finally found a way to reduce the amount of trans fats in their popular chocolate- and vanilla-flavoured cookies. The new cookies — which will contain 90 per cent less trans fat than the old cookies — will be available in the spring of 2009. The organization has been raising money through cookie sales for 81 years. The cookies are made by Dare, which has offered other trans fat-free cookies for several years."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/story/2008/07/21/f-transfats.html

>> ^direpickle:

>> ^Sagemind:
He's trans-gendered, by definition, I don't think girls are on his mind.
Oh, and I like cookies!

I also like cookies. But Girl Scout cookies are chock full of trans-fats, and I just can not tolerate that sort of immoral fat-bending.



Wouldn't this just encourage the sale of Girl Scout cookies?

direpickle says...

>> ^Sagemind:
He's trans-gendered, by definition, I don't think girls are on his mind.
Oh, and I like cookies!


Gender identity and sexual orientation aren't the same, though there's surely a correlation. But I think you'd find that both transgendered guys and girls can each be into guys and girls.

I also like cookies. But Girl Scout cookies are chock full of trans-fats, and I just can not tolerate that sort of immoral fat-bending.

TDS: Happy Meal Toy Ban

misterwight says...

I would say neither is okay, actually. I would also say that just because SF had yet to draft law against kids' meals full of trans fats doesn't mean that they wouldn't want to. The direct approach is not always the most legislatively viable one. As for what is right and what is wrong, that is just a philosophical disagreement.

I Remember and I'm Not Voting Republican

Winstonfield_Pennypacker says...

Liberals are freedom-friendly, because they want to increase the number of situations in which every citizen can expect their government to defend their freedom.

I see. So when liberals tell me I can't have salt, trans-fat, tobacco products, plastic grocery bags, develop oil, own property, use my own money on school vouchers, force me to support laws I disagree with, and force states to overturn laws they pass, et al - they are DEFENDING freedom instead of taking it away. This is a fascinating (if unsurprising) peek at the mental landscape of liberals.

This is where the intellectual and philosophical divide exists between conservatives and liberals. Liberals believe that big government and central planning "defend freedom". Conservatives believe that big government and central planning is tyranny. I believe history proves that power corrupts, and that absolute power corrupts absolutely. Welles "Animal Farm" nails the pattern. People overthrow tyranny with good intentions, and then those who come to power themselves become tyrants - always with good intentions.

The only solution is to strip government of power and forbid them from exercising authority over the people. That's why the Consitution was such a brilliant document. It limited GOVERNMENT - not people. That's also why Barak Obama is such a moron, and why he should never have been let within a million miles of power. He claims to be a constitutional scholar - and yet he has ZERO understanding or respect for the core, basic REASON why it is so brilliant.


This is the little gem our Man-Child president dropped that told me instantly that he was unfit to hold any public office. Period.

"To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the Federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf."

I do not doubt that you completely agree with this sentiment Netrunner. And that agreement is why you are wrong - and at the most fundamental level why you and those like you are so stridently opposed by over 65% of the nation. People with their heads screwed on right understand perfectly that any person who believes that government should be an organization which "must bring about redistributive change" is anti-American, anti-liberty, and should NEVER be allowed to hold power or push laws their way. EVER.

Penn & Teller: Bullshit! - Soft Drink Tax

Lawdeedaw says...

Libertarians like voluntarism? Speak for you and myself maybe, but like religous people, leave out the masses of libertarians who do not like to volunteer.

You said, "...reasonable enough to make choices for themselves..." And then you said, "...I think they knowingly make bad decisions..." Wow, is that insane or what? Reasonable would mean they make bad decisions based on incorrect info but try to make the right choices. Unreasonable means they just f-ing do it regardless.

And lastly, many items corn-based are not soda products. It is a food that goes into many products---including the making of corn on the cob. I would agree with this video 100% if corn only made fucktose corn syrup, as I call it. But corn does not just make fucktose... Still, I agree with this video 95%! I want these bailouts, handouts, or cornjobs to end!

>> ^blankfist:
@<A rel="nofollow" class=profilelink title="member since April 27th, 2007" href="http://videosift.com/member/chilaxe">chilaxe, Libertarians don't like meritocracy. Libertarians like voluntarism. That is, they want people to do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt others.
I disagree that the masses aren't reasonable enough to make choices for themselves. I think they knowingly make bad decisions because the positive aspects of those decisions are higher than the negatives, or they make bad decisions because of other circumstances like comfort or the notion of getting ahead quickly, etc. Whatever the reason, people don't need an intelligent society designer guiding them. Common sense is enough to tell you breathing smoke isn't particularly healthy.
And cigarettes aren't 100% bad for you. If you mean they are damaging to health, well certainly that's true, but so is metabolizing food as it causes cell damage and just about everything else we do. But cigarettes don't automatically cause diseases like cancer or emphysema, and they don't necessarily cause health problems that require medical attention. In fact a lot of that is probably genetic. This is anecdotal, I know, but my grandmother smoked every day of her life and just recently passed away at 94. She also ate greasy foods probably with loads of trans fats.

"Also, the more controlled society becomes, the more people get uncomfortable with it, so it doesn't seem like the modern world is very likely to experience a slippery slope 50 years down the road based on small increments of increased control that make sense in the present day."

Can you explain that further? I don't quite get what you're implying.



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