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Isaac Gives Claire Parenting Advice | Orville S1E8

ant says...

Guys, try up to episode 3 and then decide. Episodes 3 and up got way better with less humor. It is like old Star Trek TNG, etc.

newtboy said:

I thought the same thing after episode 1. It was bad enough that I gave up on it right there.

The First 6 Missions | Season 1 | THE ORVILLE

MilkmanDan says...

I love the show overall. Krill bothered me a little bit though, because it felt a bit too MacFarlane-y to me.

Taking The Orville as an homage to Trek (TNG specifically?), it struck me that any Trek character that would be asked to infiltrate a hostile alien group would take that task very very seriously. They'd learn enough culture / language / etc. to pass cursory examination, and they'd know to limit attention being placed on them as much as possible. That's just sort of taking your fiction/material seriously.

The Orville's (Captain!) Mercer and Malloy were basically just screwing around on their infiltration mission though. They knew very little going in, which is somewhat excusable since in there is solid story justification for it in that they are doing very early recon because humans in general know very little about the Krill. BUT, if that is the case then it would be doubly important to just try to fade into the background and not draw attention, and they didn't really do that at all. Long, "funny" answers to questions instead of being terse, not trying to blend in behavior-wise, etc.

I don't mind MacFarlane's humor, and even think that it adds a little something that is very often lacking in Trek. But only when it is story-appropriate, and it kind of jarred me out of the moment on that particular episode. It was still an OK episode, but that just hurt the immersion for me, I guess.

Mordhaus said:

I think my favorites so far is Pria and Krill. I've been loving the show so far.

False facts about Star Trek many think are true

poolcleaner says...

Ok, these are cool and all, but any legit Trekker/ie (BOTH terms have been used by varied alumni cast members and fans to mean whatever they want it to mean) knows these things. Anyone who has watched every episode is like "Are these not obvious facts?"

Spock's emotions were even referenced in the JJ reboot. The beam me up thing is already memed. And ST:TNG practically showcases the burreaceacy of Starfleet as something Picard can elloquently rebutt.

But cool video, this is favorited so i can just send it to people who aren't ultra nerds. (My wife is actually the legit Trekker in the family tho -- i set her ringtone to "It's been a long time" because she hates that folky intro song and i know it annoys her that it's Star Trek music hahahahaaaaa...

STAR TREK BEYOND Official Trailer #2 (2016)

FlowersInHisHair says...

I'm not defending Into Darkness. Like I said above:

"That I prefer this trailer over the TNG films isn't so much praise for Beyond as disdain for the lazy work presented from Generations onwards."

ChaosEngine said:

Fair points. I still think it looks better than this atrocity, and it was definitely better than the complete and utter disaster that was Into Darkness....

- Kahn? No, that's not Kahn! Haha, it was Kahn all along!!
- Starships? Why bother? We can transport between systems now!
- Death? Oh yeah, Bones cured that.
- Oh yeah, and we're going to destroy the Enterprise after only 2 movies.

uggh, I feel stupider just thinking about it.

STAR TREK BEYOND Official Trailer #2 (2016)

ChaosEngine says...

The other three TNG movies were awful, absolutely, but I think First Contact actually played pretty nicely alongside Roddenberry's vision.

We get to see flawed humans building a warp ship out of an old ICBM, there are questions of humanity (Data) and vengeance (Picard) and on top of that, it still manages to be a fun action spectacle.

Of course, arguing over taste is pretty pointless as it's entirely subjective, so you're perfectly entitled to dislike the movie, but I don't think it's fair to say that First Contact was as dumb as you say it was.

This trailer has none of that. I'm just hoping that Simon Pegg is a good enough writer (and he's a brilliant writer, watch World's End for evidence of that) to write his way out of the complete fucking mess that Lindelof wrote them into.

FlowersInHisHair said:

Well that's pretty patronising. I'll disabuse you of your misapprehension: I'm a lifelong fan. I've seen all of the series and all of the films. I understand Star Trek pretty fucking well. I think that what you don't understand is that these things are subjective.

I think the TNG films are horrid. Tired, clichéd, uninspired revenge plots that don't represent the TNG TV series or Roddenberry's ethos at all, and as you say, with an emphasis on irrelevant space action and some pretty egregious plot holes. And they are boring, which Roddenberry-era Trek never was, even at its most talky. It's not just the writing and production - half the time the actors are basically sleepwalking their way through the films, and are often completely different characterisations from their TV show incarnations (particularly Picard in First Contact).

That I prefer this trailer over the TNG films isn't so much praise for Beyond as disdain for the lazy work presented from Generations onwards.

STAR TREK BEYOND Official Trailer #2 (2016)

transmorpher says...

Yeah, but that's like saying, that dog poo is better than cow poo. They are both still....poo lol
None of the movies have ever come close to matching the original or TNG series.

FlowersInHisHair said:

This trailer is still better than all of the TNG movies put together. Yes, including First Contact.

STAR TREK BEYOND Official Trailer #2 (2016)

FlowersInHisHair says...

Well that's pretty patronising. I'll disabuse you of your misapprehension: I'm a lifelong fan. I've seen all of the series and all of the films. I understand Star Trek pretty fucking well. I think that what you don't understand is that these things are subjective.

I think the TNG films are horrid. Tired, clichéd, uninspired revenge plots that don't represent the TNG TV series or Roddenberry's ethos at all, and as you say, with an emphasis on irrelevant space action and some pretty egregious plot holes. And they are boring, which Roddenberry-era Trek never was, even at its most talky. It's not just the writing and production - half the time the actors are basically sleepwalking their way through the films, and are often completely different characterisations from their TV show incarnations (particularly Picard in First Contact).

That I prefer this trailer over the TNG films isn't so much praise for Beyond as disdain for the lazy work presented from Generations onwards.

STAR TREK BEYOND Official Trailer #2 (2016)

Sylvester_Ink says...

I'm thinking you probably don't understand Star Trek. The TNG movies were no work of art, but they were still decent Star Trek movies. Now none of the Star Trek movies, not even the first 6 (with the exception of the Motion Picture, and arguably The Voyage Home) truly represent what Star Trek is with relation to their respective TV shows, as they choose to focus more on space action and conflict, but all of them stuck with the core premise that Gene Roddenberry laid out: To explore the human condition and show how mankind can better itself.
The TNG movies certainly could have done better, and while First Contact was pretty darn good (especially if you consider how it relates to the Borg "trilogy") I've come to see Generations and even Insurrection in a more forgiving light. Heck, as painful as it is to admit, even Nemesis had a lot of potential, judging by the scenes that were cut. (But that's being REALLY generous.)
However, none of the new movies come anywhere near what the old movies were. Yes, Star Trek 2009 was actually a better movie than several of the previous movies, but otherwise, all of them, even what I'm seeing in this new trailer, lack the vision laid down by Roddenberry. And also, it's very hard to appreciate a Star Trek movie that doesn't have its core points laid down in a TV show, as it really is best suited for the TV medium. Without that character and setting development, you can really only get by with nostalgia and action.

Now some of the fan works, on the other hand, seem to do their source material better justice. I avoided them for quite some time, but after hearing about some of the good ones, I've started to look into them and have been pleasantly surprised. They are certainly rough around the edges, but they do seem to stick to Roddenberry's vision a lot better. Heck, that Axanar thing looks pretty compelling, if they ever get to complete it.

FlowersInHisHair said:

This trailer is still better than all of the TNG movies put together. Yes, including First Contact.

STAR TREK BEYOND Official Trailer #2 (2016)

STAR TREK BEYOND Official Trailer #2 (2016)

artician says...

It would take super-human effort to one-up Brent Spiner's failed attempt to cast Data as TNG's 'Spock' in Nemesis, with that pathetic carbon-copy Wrath of Khan script.

LiquidDrift said:

Yup, this is on track to be the worst star trek film ever (OK, maybe second worst).

The Trouble with Transporters

transmorpher says...

Good point. I'm not aware of any clone armies at all. Probably more likely to do with budget and technical challenges than anything else.
TNG at least is very much focused on the human condition, and just uses a sci-fi theme to explore it. So I guess when it comes to cloning, they were able to explain individuality, past choices, regrets, missed opportunities etc easily enough with just one clone instead of many.

spawnflagger said:

question for Trekkers:
There have been a few episodes where the transporter messed up and there were copies - which means it is possible to create a clone army - so why haven't there been any episodes with a clone army? Is there a "Directive" forbidding this in intergalactic law? Even if so, a "bad guy" could still break the law and do it.
The Federation aren't the only ones with transporter technology, right?

Star Trek Beyond - Trailer 1

VoodooV says...

If you're referring to my comment. The prequel comics which are supposedly part of the canon is that the Narada is a borg-ified romulan vessel.

They use that as part of the reason why JJverse Enterprise is different from TOS Enterprise. The explanation goes that the Kelvin scanned the Narada and magically gleamed all the borg tech from those scans which led to a massive explosion of new technology. so JJverse tech is supposedly roughly on par with TNG-era tech if not better because of the borg tech boost from the Narada....all that from just scans of the ship.

Don't blame me, that's just what I read

EDIT: just looked it up. Yep, that's what the writers wrote about it.

Payback said:

What the Hell? That doesn't even look a little bit like the Borg.



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