The most poigniant aspect here perhaps, the symbol addicts that we domesticated primates are. Symbols used to spin all manner of excess, irrationality, and realities.....The fact that one event, staged and executed with the gullibility of humankinds' nature understood, should make any and all wary of a bill of goods that strays too far from the arena of common sense....
Perhaps issues gravely affecting our collective quality of life

like
-petroleum being the only major source extant to provide power
-an abundance of religions which spring forth from the same collective unconscious
-the absurdity to most that there were and are, people who orchestrate events on a planetary scale, to amass empire
-Global Warming
or whatever else reeks of irrationality.....

so, who thinks Kennedy was killed by Oswald......anyone???

This idea of Moyers of a unified, transcendent faith smacks of world religion.
Farhad2000, are you really a progressive? Do you really want more welfare, more free education, more government control of health care?
It creeps me out, man! Like lord of the rings.... One government to rule them all...

Born Billy Don Moyers (a name he would later legally change to Bill) in 1934 in Hugo, Oklahoma, this son of a laborer grew up in the town of Marshall in east Texas, near the borders of Louisiana and Arkansas. In 1948, at age 14, Moyers witnessed the visit of an imposing 6'3"-tall politician named Lyndon Johnson, who spoke without microphone to a large crowd.

"His white shirt was glinting in the sun," Moyers once told an interviewer from Esquire Magazine about the moment. "And he was literally forcing himself physically on that audience of three thousand to four thousand people…. I remember the sheer presence of the man. And I thought 'This is what power is.'"

SCMD is a major supporter of radical environmentalist organizations whose goal, as writer Michael Berliner explains, is "not clean air and clean water; rather, it is the demolition of technological/industrial civilization." At the same time, however, the Center is heavily invested in numerous corporations that it classifies as environmentally unfriendly.

That is, it exploits, as a wealth-generating vehicle, the very capitalist system which it blames for having created a host of environmental ills. The watchdog website UndueInfluence.com characterizes such an investment strategy as "using capitalist investments to destroy capitalist society."

For instance, at the very time when Moyers hosted a March 2001 program condemning the chemical industry, SCMD held large investments in chemical companies. Similarly, while Moyers has hosted programs advocating a reduction in America's dependence on foreign oil, SCMD has earned immense profits from its investments in gas and oil companies.

The Center's investment portfolio contains tens of thousands of shares in such companies as Exxon Mobil, Conoco, British Petroleum, Royal Dutch Petroleum, Ford, Keyspan Energy, Pioneer Natural Resource Company, Noble Affiliates, Royal Dutch Petroleum Company, Columbia Gas Systems, Dow Chemical, Dupont, Shell Oil, Shell Transportation and Trading, and General Motors.

> but God put them there for a reason!

DUH... fossils occur a lot around oil deposits. God put them there to help us locate His petroleum fields.

.....ahhhh I did get the story wrong, that's what i get for having no news channels....Ware was the color commentary, for some viddy that someone got in CNN's hands of the sniping.. Was there a non-mid-easter there, I don't know ..enrages me that we're there in the middle of the knukle-draggers fued to begin with....

This viddy shows Ware beginning his story with the same M-jumbo-as always...."poor folks killed...bodies found..the humanity"...These folks would do this to one another if the US wasn't there....have been for a while, oil just makes the shit worse, and stunts their progress...

I care not that folks are dying,they set their minds up for it with their belief system, steeped in ignorance... lets talk about the things that will make them want paradise here....and force it on them, in a kind and loving way...

Education
Hygine
R & D on something besides petroleum and weapons..

If it takes keeping their newborn children, away from their whacked-out parents, then so be it....

Farhad, on such subjects, its seems that you would have the best perspective on the sift, having lived in Kuwait...kinda the same as the saudi monarch's place, eh..>?..and yeah, the States only know about countries that are on the TV...cause that's the only source of info for most,the status quo...Govts. have seen to it..diversion-a time-honored tactic...

First order of business in a coop or revolution....Take control of communications...
That's how they did it with our recent, successful coop, The Kennedy Brothers....
RIP boys, the beast's appetite, was bigger than your hearts...

Hey Mr Scientist, riddle me this.

The Nature of Hydrogen:

* Hydrogen is less flammable than gasoline. The self-ignition temperature of hydrogen is 550 degrees Celsius. Gasoline varies from 228-501 degrees Celsius, depending on the grade. When the Hindenburg burned, it took some time before the hydrogen bags were ignited.
* Hydrogen disperses quickly. Being the lightest element (fifteen times lighter than air), hydrogen rises and spreads out quickly in the atmosphere. So when a leak occurs, the hydrogen gas quickly becomes so sparse that it cannot burn. Even when ignited, hydrogen burns upward, and is quickly consumed, as shown in the Hindenburg picture. By contrast, materials such as gasoline and diesel vapors, as well as natural gas are heavier than air, and will not disperse, remaining a flammable threat for much longer.
* Hydrogen is non-toxic. Hydrogen is a non-toxic, naturally-occurring element in the atmosphere. By comparison, all petroleum fuels are asphyxiants, and are poisonous to humans.
* Hydrogen combustion produces only water. When pure hydrogen is burned in pure oxygen, only pure water is produced. Granted, that’s an ideal scenario, which doesn’t occur outside of laboratories and the space shuttle. In any case, when a hydrogen engine burns, it actually cleans the ambient air, by completing combustion of the unburned hydrocarbons that surround us. Compared with the toxic compounds (carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides, and hydrogen sulfide) produced by petroleum fuels, the products of hydrogen burning are much safer.
* Hydrogen can be stored safely. Tanks currently in use for storage of compressed hydrogen (similar to compressed natural gas tanks) have survived intact through testing by various means, including being shot with six rounds from a .357 magnum, detonating a stick of dynamite next to them, and subjecting them to fire at 1500 degrees F. Clearly, a typical gasoline tank wouldn’t survive a single one of these tests.

....uhhhh, go figure, poorest of the poor, kids with no skills,home,etc.....this story is played out daily, all over and under your world...gasoline, Pam, Modeling glue, petroleum distillates get you fucked up......all the companies we buy shit from....make human rats.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

Canada comes in ftw, Mexico second, Saudi Arabia takes the bronze, then Venezuela gets honorable mention.
Iraq comes in #6, and little Kuwait comes in at #11. (i wasn't into current events back then. weren't they what all the Bush Sr. hub-bub was about? 'No Blood for Oil' was coined during this 'war' yes?)