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universities are digging their own graves

MilkmanDan says...

Wow. Great sift.

I went to a state university in Kansas in the early 2000s, so this stuff is after my time and probably centered more in the Ivy League type places. But still, so much rings true and also helps explain the why.

Being a teacher at the High School age range in Thailand has been very interesting. So many things different, with plenty of pros and cons compared to my own experience. Cliques exist here, but aren't as antagonistic toward each other as they were when I was in school. Kids here are massively more accepting towards different groups like LGBT, LD/autistic/whatever, socially awkward academic nerds, etc. I'm sure the change in perspective from student to teacher influences my perceptions of this, but bullying seems essentially nonexistent here compared to rampant when I was in school.

Anyway, it seems to me like one thing that could really help dig us out of this mess is real multiculturalism and diversity (as opposed to what the SJW types that Haidt describes in the video would affix those words to). Knowing more about how other cultures and countries do things and being able to objectively compare and figure out alternative ways of doing things that might be better/worse is extremely useful.

Brian Cox refutes claims of climate change denier on Q&A

transmorpher says...

Pauline Hanson and her party are completely bonkers don't get me wrong.

But they are also one of the only parties addressing the immigration issue, which is why they got some seats. No other party is really making as much of a fuss about immigration, so people that don't want Australia to turn into Germany/Sweden, have no sane person to vote for.

It's lose/lose unfortunately, until someone reasonable stands up and even addresses the concerns.

I'm all for multiculturalism, but not if some cultures don't reciprocate, which is what we are seeing throughout Europe.

ChaosEngine said:

In case anyone is wondering, the ignorant douchenozzle belongs to Pauline Hanson's "One Nation" party.

So not only is he a complete moron, he's a racist asshole as well.

The Twiliters - Shakin' All Over

vil says...

About as Czech as Ferdinand Porsche.
I do welcome her inclusion in our multicultural national heritage even though the video is rather monotonous.

Russell Brand debates Nigel Farage on immigration

RedSky says...

Russell Brand is honestly not helping himself here. He flat out did not answer the question. Banking and investment may well not be taxed enough, but it's not single-handedly going to do anything about any supposed overcapacity in services. For anyone concerned about that, it is a non answer.

An intelligent answer that actually answered the question would have been either referencing the lump of labour fallacy or the long term benefits of a (generally younger) immigrant population on supporting tax for a country that is ageing and has a diminishing working age population.

Even something more waffly like multiculturalism bringing new innovative prespectives, creativity and productivity would have been a better answer.

Overwatch Gameplay Trailer

Jinx says...

I thought she was cute and her catchphrase was suitably naff.

Although they do lose mayor points for calling one of their characters "Reaper". I think that's what I called myself at Laser Quest when I was 11 yrs old. Also he looks bullshit (starting early on that whining about Bliz balance).

So yah, Valve are kings of characterisation. I still won't knock Bliz for trying to give their characters...some character. The multicultural lineup of caricatures was a well established trope long before TF2.

All that aside, your comment wasn't simply that it lacked TF2's style and humour, you also dismissed any differences in gameplay. I am commenting on a gameplay video. My rant was more directed at this assumption that the game is the same as TF2, sans perhaps decent writing. I thought this trailer demonstrated some nifty looking mechanics that TF2 certainly doesn't have which were apparently overlooked in favour of pointing out that both games had turrets. or that it was "TF2 without style or humour".

ChaosEngine said:

I have nothing against Blizzard doing a TF2 style game.

It might even be good.

My comment was simply that TF2 has humour and style, something that (at least from the initial impressions) Overwatch lacks.

It's not bad, but it just clearly wants to ape TF2 in terms of the different accents, etc and it falls flat. Primarily because Blizzard suck at writing. See the cinematic trailer and their desperate attempt for that cockney girl to be cute and have a catchphrase.

10 Hours Of Walking In LA As A Woman

Trancecoach says...

Hm, in the original video, the woman gets "harassed" by blacks and latinos but there weren't enough white guys flirting with her (thereby angering many people on the left).

Here, however, there's a multicultural and a multigender aspect to the people flirting with and teasing (i.e., "harassing") the drag queen. I wonder how the social justice warrior liberals are going to try to spin this...

Huckabee is Not a Homophobe, but...

Hanover_Phist says...

Thanks Silvercord, I do believe you've articulated yourself here better than I have. I don't take much issue with anything you've said above and I think we agree more than we disagree.

You're right, I'm from Canada. I have a unique perspective of American culture at the same time as living in the most culturally diverse city in the world. Here, multiculturalism is enshrined in law. We see ourselves as a mosaic instead of a melting pot. Something I'm quite proud of. (but not all Canadians feel the same way) There are plenty of conflicts of culture to choose from around here.

But when I'm speaking about an individuals 'fundamental human rights', I'm not speaking as a Canadian, or Torontonian or North American, I'm speaking as a human. And when I stated that religious/cultural rights were trumped by physical ones I didn't mean to suggest they were non-existent. The Klu Klux Klan for example is a religious organization (or at least that's what they call them selves) as is the Westboro Baptist Church and it's because their rights "extend to the tips of their noses" that they can't impose their will over people they believe are lesser than themselves. They are free to carry hateful ideas around in their heads, (as is their "right") but if it causes them to commit hateful actions, they are breaking the law.

The same can be said of the baker and the photographer. Albeit of varying degrees. The reason the baker and photographer have a sacred idea of marriage being only between a man and a woman is because of an intolerance of homosexuality. You say they're not intolerant because they serve the gay community in every other aspect outside of marriage and I say if there is any way they treat the gay community differently than that is the very definition of discrimination. Again, it's just in varying degrees.

What if I held a religious belief that marriage was only between a white man and a white woman and refused to supply services to anyone outside of that definition? "Sorry we can't in good conscience go there. Oh, it's not you, it's me." I would be running my business in a discriminatory fashion and I would pay a fine. As it should be.

Might I suggest if you want to be selective as to who you will serve and who you won't based on the physical attributes someone was born with, that you keep those reasons to yourself and politely refuse service to those people citing a scheduling conflict or artistic differences. Because to stand up proudly saying you don't recognize gay marriage or mixed race coupling as your 'fundamental human right' is offensive. By all means, carry your intolerant ideas in your head, just don't carry out intolerant actions and think the rest of the community has to respect you for them.

"Let me ask you, have you ever seen a law change someone's heart? I haven't."

Um, no, you're right. It doesn't work that way. But laws do create culture if not for this generation, than for the next. As Yogi stated above; "Eventually these people will die, and the old husks and their followers left behind will spur further movements towards greater equality." A little harsh perhaps, but when you you think back to the '40s, '50s and '60s and the how attitudes and culture have changed for the Black community you can't deny that civil rights laws have made the world a better place, for equality and for everyone.

silvercord said:

Some disconnected thoughts:

I didn't mean to say what you weren't saying. Apologies. I do like what you said here, "for her to use her basic human right to not be discriminated against as a woman to leverage those men into a difficult position, sounds like a crappy thing to do." Yes, a crappy thing. I think we'd better get used to it; at least in the United States where people want to adhere to the letter of the law when it comes to asserting their rights.

Am I wrong in assuming you live outside of the States? If so that makes it easy for me to understand your stance on religious rights being unequal with other rights.

I am not insisting that discrimination be protected. Far from it. If you were being discriminated against you would want me in your corner. I detest discrimination. What I find interesting about all of the cases you mentioned, the only reason a gay couple has given for asking the state to enforce the anti-discrimination laws is over the issue of marriage and the issue of marriage alone. The photographer and bakers apparently served the gay community in other capacities from their storefronts without incident. No lawsuits, no nothing. I think we have to ask 'why?" What is it specifically about marriage that would cause a Christian (or a Muslim, or any number of religions for that matter), to say, "I can't participate in that?" I suspect that if the couple in question had been a man and two or three women getting married that the business owners response would have been the same - that is not our understanding of marriage, sorry we can't in good conscience go there." At the risk of repeating myself, their refusal isn't about the people they refused. It is specifically about the act of marriage.

As an aside, I find it ironic to the nth degree that the State of Oregon is trying to legally compel the bakery owners to participate in a ceremony that is illegal in the State of Oregon. Marriage among gays in Oregon is illegal. Sigh. This is why I wish religion, of any sort, would get out of the business of telling people what to do. I would like to see a withdrawal from the legislation of religious tenets that are not in line with the US Constitution. Then gays could marry freely in this country and this argument could be put away.

Many of the problems in this world could be resolved if the religionists didn't feel like they needed to make everyone outside of their religion believe and behave like they do. As I see it, in a free society, a religious belief should not be able compel those outside that belief to do anything.

You may be familiar with openly gay author/blogger Andrew Sullivan who has written about this subject. He says: I would never want to coerce any fundamentalist to provide services for my wedding – or anything else for that matter – if it made them in any way uncomfortable. The idea of suing these businesses to force them to provide services they are clearly uncomfortable providing is anathema to me. I think it should be repellent to the gay rights movement as well.

There is, of course, extensive writing on this issue by all sides and we may never be able to untangle it here but I have enjoyed getting your perspective.



“what is to stop the members of Westboro Baptist Church from showing up at a bakery run by gays and demand they cater an anti-gay event?” answer; Anti-discrimination laws.

I hope you're right. I hope we never have an opportunity to find out. But here is, in part, the text of Oregon's law:

Except as provided in subsection (2) of this section, all persons within the jurisdiction of this state are entitled to the full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities and privileges of any place of public accommodation, without any distinction, discrimination or restriction on account of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, national origin, marital status or age if the individual is 18 years of age or older.

"Religion" doesn't not have a special designation of 'unless' in there. I can see those Westboro Baptist a-holes notice that and will have some gay bakers baking a cake for them every day of the week.

All of this discussion is really a digression of my initial post which was to say: If our communities were stronger, if we'd risk more relationally, if we'd put down the electronics and get to know each other, it sure would be a lot easier to get along. We would have less use for the legal system to resolve our differences.

Let me ask you, have you ever seen a law change someone's heart? I haven't.

"Don't F**k with New York" - Lewis Black Slams Texas

chingalera says...

Uhhh,the states' big and beautiful-Best roads anywhere and self-sufficient as her own country should the necessity arise-Plenty of thicket, lotsa places to hide....Multicultural, hip, with a few fuckers who give it a bad name, not unlike (insert your shit state here) most places......except for Rhode Island.

Rick Perrys' a solid piece of shit, cured in a brick oven.

Austins' getting polluted with posers and hipsters and it grew to fast, it used to be cool about 30 years ago....clusterfuck of traffic and pretentious hipsters now.

poolcleaner said:

Austin's alright.

"My name is Paul Weston, and I am a racist"

CreamK says...

We have to deal with this crap for the next twenty years, until my generation of 40 somethings are retired. Our parents didn't have any experience about different cultures, they were the first teens, equality between genders were solidified against the ways of the previous generation.. Our job is to teach our children how to make multiculturalism work, even if we don't understand it our self.

People need to remember that this is happening in an unprecedented pace. Society changes slower than we think. But that is not an excuse of not trying to make it work.

Muslims Go Nuts at Swedish University Movie Screening

I Know That You Want To Be Canadian

eric3579 says...

Yeah I know that you wanna be Canadian, please
Even if in winter things tend to freeze
We've got the world monopoly on trees
And our country's bordered by three different seas

Yeah I know that you wanna be Canadian, please
We invented the zipper, we've got expertise
We made insulin to combat disease
Yeah I know that you wanna be Canadian, please

♫ Brits have got the monarchy
The US has the money
But I know that you wanna be Canadian

The French have got the wine and cheese
Koalas chill with the Aussies
But I know that you wanna be Canadian ♫

Et si ce n'était pas assez
On a deux langues officielles:
L'anglais et le français
Ooh la la

Yeah I know that you wanna be Canadian, please
Where else do you find mounted police
Or go to the hospital and not pay fees
Yeah I know that you wanna be Canadian, please

And when freshwater is in high demand
We've got the world's largest supply on hand
So you know that we could make a pretty good friend
But it's even better if you can be...

♫ Brits have got the monarchy
The US has the money
But I know that you wanna be Canadian

The French have got the wine and cheese
Koalas chill with the Aussies
But I know that you wanna be Canadian ♫

So you're thinking to yourself,
"How do I live in this beautiful country?"
Well we've got some steps for you to follow...

STEP 1: Lose the gun
STEP 2: Buy a canoe
STEP 3: Live multiculturally
STEP 4: You're ready, there is no more!

We got beavers, caribou and moose
We got buffalos, bears, and Canadian goose
And we're sorry about Celine Dion
But she did do that good song for James Cameron...

♫ Brits have got the monarchy
The US has the money
But I know that you wanna be Canadian

The French have got the wine and cheese
Koalas chill with the Aussies
But I know that you wanna be Canadian

The Greek chilled out with Socrates
Can't build a wall like the Chinese
But I know that you wanna be Canadian

In Kenya they have safaris
We've missed lots of other countries
But I know that you wanna be Canadian ♫ ♫

DNC demonstrate their contempt for democratic voting

radx says...

Unlike 2004 and 2008, this year's DNC Platform committee finally found some brass and removed the statement that "Jerusalem is and will remain the capital of Israel".

UN consensus, UN Resolutions and international customary law state that Jerusalem's status is to be defined through negotiations between native Palenstinians and Israelis. It might become a) the capital of Israel, b) the capital of a Palestinian state, c) an international city or d) whatever they agree on. But it is not to be decided unilaterally.

As far as I can remember, Clinton, Bush and Obama backed down from that statement once they were elected, and for good reason. There was a Jerusalem Embassy Act during Clinton's first term, but as of today, the Embassy remains in Tel Aviv. They know better than to inflame the Middle East even more.>> ^Sagemind:

I'm not sure if I understand the sentiment here. The ratified vote, (although the method was not acceptably democratic,) sounds like a sentiment that accepts multiculturalism and pushes out racism.
Anyone who knows the issues here, please chime in and educate us.

DNC demonstrate their contempt for democratic voting

Sagemind says...

Proposed Amendments
Amendment 1
Page 32, Line48: We need a government that stands up for the hopes, values, and interests of working people, and gives everyone willing to work hard the chance to make the most of their God-given potential.

Amendment 2
Page 63, Line 26: Jerusalem is and will remain the capital of Israel. The parties have agreed the Jerusalem is a matter for final status negotiations. It should remain an undivided city accessible to people of all faiths.

I'm not sure if I understand the sentiment here. The ratified vote, (although the method was not acceptably democratic,) sounds like a sentiment that accepts multiculturalism and pushes out racism.
Anyone who knows the issues here, please chime in and educate us.

Hitchslap: Islam and Multiculturalism

Gina Rinehart calls for a small Australian wage cut

Kofi says...

She is also a poet. I'm not kidding.

Our Future
The globe is sadly groaning with debt, poverty and strife
And billions now are pleading to enjoy a better life
Their hope lies with resources buried deep within the earth
And the enterprise and capital which give each project worth
Is our future threatened with massive debts run up by political hacks
Who dig themselves out by unleashing rampant tax
The end result is sending Australian investment, growth and jobs offshore
This type of direction is harmful to our core
Some envious unthinking people have been conned
To think prosperity is created by waving a magic wand
Through such unfortunate ignorance, too much abuse is hurled
Against miners, workers and related industries who strive to build the world
Develop North Australia, embrace multiculturalism and welcome short term foreign workers to our shores
To benefit from the export of our minerals and ores
The world's poor need our resources: do not leave them to their fate
Our nation needs special economic zones and wiser government, before it is too late



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