Again I say, and...?

Great, you've decided (based on the trailer of course) that you don't want to play it. That doesn't make it objectively bad just because it doesn't meet your precognitive standards...

Much like Left4Dead (which is the very definition of formulaic), it could still be fun if you were prepared to actually give it a chance rather than prejudging it.

But whatever, you and the stick up your ass have obviously made your decision, enjoy not playing!

Actually, my belief that gaming in general is a waste of time is an opinion. That you don't agree with that is your opinion. I gave my reasons, mainly being my own obsession with games and spending a good deal of my life playing them. Most of the gamers I have ever known also spend most of their life playing video games. The only gamers I know that don't are people like fuantum who are married and their wives won't tolerate it. Gaming addiction is a real problem..a huge problem..people die from it, relationships break down from it..I have a sister who hasn't left her room since world of warcraft came out. A gamers life shouldn't be glorified..it's actually rather pathetic. Just because you can simulate having other people around with multiplayer doesn't make it any better. Yes, gaming has had some cultural impact, but that doesn't prove anything to me. I think 99 percent of what culture produces is a gigantic waste of time..bread and circuses if you will. Matters of significance are never really spoken about because we are all too busy getting our entertainment fix.

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
There you go again - the point wasn't that you expressed your opinion, it's that you think that games are a waste of time. Is reading a great novel or going to see a play a waste of time, too? And what makes you think that people who play games don't participate in the world in other ways? You miss the point too in that I wasn't claiming gamer cred, I was suggesting a list of games that are culturally significant to a greater or lesser extent. And, most importantly, you miss the point in that you believe this video endorses gaming "as a lifestyle", rather than being the fun celebration of games that it is.
>> ^shinyblurry:
How can I miss the point by expressing my opinion? I've played most of those games, and multiplayer gaming is basically all I did for many years. The point isn't that gaming isn't fun, it's that spending all of your time immersed in gaming is missing the point. The Earth is the world that is in trouble, and plenty of things need our help and attention. The real adventure is getting out there and doing something about it. If you want to talk about gamer cred, I have it..I personally contributed to games universally held to be some of the best of all time. I was in the arcade playing pac-man when I was four years old. So, it isn't a lack of experience that I say this. Like anything gaming is great in moderation, but it shouldn't be a lifestyle as this video suggests.
>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
Dammit Shiny, why do you always have to miss the point? This video is awesome, and gaming is awesome, for the reasons the song says and more. Gone are the days when gaming was 'solitary'. Gaming is a shared experience now: you're losing out if you've never played Mario, or Portal, or GTA, or Angry Birds, or Call of Duty, or Sonic, or Monkey Island, or LittleBigPlanet, or Guitar Hero, or Left4Dead, or MineCraft, or even BeJeweled, dammit. And not just because of the multiplayer games on that list that are a literal shared experience, but because these are cultural touchstones, even if you play them by yourself. Everyone knows the Mario theme, and everyone knows the cake is a lie (or is it?). There are games out there that are so good that not playing them is like never seeing a production of Hamlet, reading To Kill a Mockingbird or hearing the White Album.

There you go again - the point wasn't that you expressed your opinion, it's that you think that games are a waste of time. Is reading a great novel or going to see a play a waste of time, too? And what makes you think that people who play games don't participate in the world in other ways? You miss the point too in that I wasn't claiming gamer cred, I was suggesting a list of games that are culturally significant to a greater or lesser extent. And, most importantly, you miss the point in that you believe this video endorses gaming "as a lifestyle", rather than being the fun celebration of games that it is.
>> ^shinyblurry:

How can I miss the point by expressing my opinion? I've played most of those games, and multiplayer gaming is basically all I did for many years. The point isn't that gaming isn't fun, it's that spending all of your time immersed in gaming is missing the point. The Earth is the world that is in trouble, and plenty of things need our help and attention. The real adventure is getting out there and doing something about it. If you want to talk about gamer cred, I have it..I personally contributed to games universally held to be some of the best of all time. I was in the arcade playing pac-man when I was four years old. So, it isn't a lack of experience that I say this. Like anything gaming is great in moderation, but it shouldn't be a lifestyle as this video suggests.

>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
Dammit Shiny, why do you always have to miss the point? This video is awesome, and gaming is awesome, for the reasons the song says and more. Gone are the days when gaming was 'solitary'. Gaming is a shared experience now: you're losing out if you've never played Mario, or Portal, or GTA, or Angry Birds, or Call of Duty, or Sonic, or Monkey Island, or LittleBigPlanet, or Guitar Hero, or Left4Dead, or MineCraft, or even BeJeweled, dammit. And not just because of the multiplayer games on that list that are a literal shared experience, but because these are cultural touchstones, even if you play them by yourself. Everyone knows the Mario theme, and everyone knows the cake is a lie (or is it?). There are games out there that are so good that not playing them is like never seeing a production of Hamlet, reading To Kill a Mockingbird or hearing the White Album.

How can I miss the point by expressing my opinion? I've played most of those games, and multiplayer gaming is basically all I did for many years. The point isn't that gaming isn't fun, it's that spending all of your time immersed in gaming is missing the point. The Earth is the world that is in trouble, and plenty of things need our help and attention. The real adventure is getting out there and doing something about it. If you want to talk about gamer cred, I have it..I personally contributed to games universally held to be some of the best of all time. I was in the arcade playing pac-man when I was four years old. So, it isn't a lack of experience that I say this. Like anything gaming is great in moderation, but it shouldn't be a lifestyle as this video suggests.


>> ^FlowersInHisHair:
Dammit Shiny, why do you always have to miss the point? This video is awesome, and gaming is awesome, for the reasons the song says and more. Gone are the days when gaming was 'solitary'. Gaming is a shared experience now: you're losing out if you've never played Mario, or Portal, or GTA, or Angry Birds, or Call of Duty, or Sonic, or Monkey Island, or LittleBigPlanet, or Guitar Hero, or Left4Dead, or MineCraft, or even BeJeweled, dammit. And not just because of the multiplayer games on that list that are a literal shared experience, but because these are cultural touchstones, even if you play them by yourself. Everyone knows the Mario theme, and everyone knows the cake is a lie (or is it?). There are games out there that are so good that not playing them is like never seeing a production of Hamlet, reading To Kill a Mockingbird or hearing the White Album.

Dammit Shiny, why do you always have to miss the point? This video is awesome, and gaming is awesome, for the reasons the song says and more. Gone are the days when gaming was 'solitary'. Gaming is a shared experience now: you're losing out if you've never played Mario, or Portal, or GTA, or Angry Birds, or Call of Duty, or Sonic, or Monkey Island, or LittleBigPlanet, or Guitar Hero, or Left4Dead, or MineCraft, or even BeJeweled, dammit. And not just because of the multiplayer games on that list that are a literal shared experience, but because these are cultural touchstones, even if you play them by yourself. Everyone knows the Mario theme, and everyone knows the cake is a lie (or is it?). There are games out there that are so good that not playing them is like never seeing a production of Hamlet, reading To Kill a Mockingbird or hearing the White Album.

If it actually worked I would be impressed, but the hedges still look shite after he's done swinging that around.

Although I think that would be a great weapon to add to Left4Dead or Dead Rising...

Gnome Chompski on the other hand is a plain darling, though he's awfully quiet about his political leanings.

man I came right out of left4dead 2 to read this title. sweet mental image

>> ^MilkmanDan:
I'm with spoco2. I'd usually much rather play a single player game or a cooperative multiplayer game with people that I already know than deal with the idiots that make up 10% (if you're exceptionally lucky) to 90% of the people that you end up with in a random online game.
I find it very odd that cooperative modes for storyline campaigns aren't more popular. When I was going to High School, I played competitive Quake over a LAN and Goldeneye on the N64 with friends. Both were pretty fun. Then a bit before I started college, the original Halo came out on the XBox. I shared a trailer house with a friend of mine from high school, and we played cooperative Halo a lot. I think we both found it far more enjoyable to build our teamwork and cooperative skills by gradually playing through the game on harder and harder difficulty levels than it had been to play competitively in Quake or Goldeneye.
I would probably tolerate TF2 or Left4Dead online play better than other experiences I have had, but I still think that I'd by far prefer to get a group of 3-8 actual real-life friends together and play LAN games, or even play with only those people on internet games.




Co op is really popular its just when its going on its not broadcast in the same way as a multilayer game is so its not advertised as openly.

for example most wii games are co-op / party , Left for dead 1,2 are pretty much only playable in coop . army of 2 was designed around coop.

The reason u might not find coop in games where u really would have thought it should have it is probably due to testing and that you have to design aspects of the single player to support the coop play if u want it to work really well. Allso the Cheep bolt on story telling used in most games dose not work very well with coop.

I dont know what multiplayer games u have plaid but i generally don't have problems u dont have to listen to people and nearly all modern multilayer games are pritty locked down to stop greefing.

Its actually the sterile nature of games like TFC2 and LFD2 that put me off them, they lave no real room for player innovation. Battelfaild 1943 on x box 360 is really good its easy to just play and gives you tuns of freedom , u can also easily join in with mates. the depth of strategy and planning you can use in bf 1943 you also are largely in control of the difficulty depending on how aggressive you play the game.


obviously single player and multilayer are like 2 different ganres. Its just emencly frustrating if you go from a multilayer game that requires you to use strategy and planning against "intelligent people" . to fighting against idiot AI. Its allso anoying when u watch a film and then exspect a half decent story from games only to be given a heaving pile of regurgitated shit. (saying that most Hollywood films r shit as well)

I'm with spoco2. I'd usually much rather play a single player game or a cooperative multiplayer game with people that I already know than deal with the idiots that make up 10% (if you're exceptionally lucky) to 90% of the people that you end up with in a random online game.

I find it very odd that cooperative modes for storyline campaigns aren't more popular. When I was going to High School, I played competitive Quake over a LAN and Goldeneye on the N64 with friends. Both were pretty fun. Then a bit before I started college, the original Halo came out on the XBox. I shared a trailer house with a friend of mine from high school, and we played cooperative Halo a lot. I think we both found it far more enjoyable to build our teamwork and cooperative skills by gradually playing through the game on harder and harder difficulty levels than it had been to play competitively in Quake or Goldeneye.

I would probably tolerate TF2 or Left4Dead online play better than other experiences I have had, but I still think that I'd by far prefer to get a group of 3-8 actual real-life friends together and play LAN games, or even play with only those people on internet games.

VS n00bs get PWNED.

>> ^sadicious:
I really enjoy TF2. Most of the players don't speak that much. Those that do, do so to help the team. Then there are the few 'music spammers' that you can now easily set to ignore. Overall its fun. Doesn't require as much 'twitch' as it does tactics and teamplay... depending what class you play.
Also, Left4Dead is great online. I haven't played a public game in a while, but when I did, everyone was cooperative.
<em>>> <a rel="nofollow" href='http://www.videosift.com/video/PWN-D-Support-Group#comment-925535'>^spoco2</a>:<br /> Yup, I own it as it came as part of the Orange Box... tried it for a while, found it was still all about twitch reflexy play which I just don't enjoy. I can see it could be fun with people you know... but I just don't have the free time these days to devote to setting up such shenanigans. <br> <br> So I stick to single player games.<br><br><br><div><div style="margin: 10px; overflow: auto; width: 80%; float: left; position: relative;" class="convoPiece"><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.videosift.com/video/PWN-D-Support-Group#comment-925519" rel="nofollow"> Xax said</a>:<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.videosift.com/member/Xax"><img style="margin: 4px 10px 10px; float: left; width: 40px;" src="http://static1.videosift.com/avatars/x/Xax-s.jpg" onerror="ph(this)"></a><div style="position: absolute; margin-left: 52px; padding-top: 1px; font-size: 10px;" class="commentarrow">◄</div><div style="padding: 8px; margin-left: 60px; margin-top: 2px; min-height: 30px;" class="nestedComment box">spoco2, out of curiosity, have you played/seen Team Fortress 2? I find it offers a different dynamic from traditional, boring deathmatch. The team dynamic makes for a more enjoyable experience for me.<br></div></div></div></em>

I really enjoy TF2. Most of the players don't speak that much. Those that do, do so to help the team. Then there are the few 'music spammers' that you can now easily set to ignore. Overall its fun. Doesn't require as much 'twitch' as it does tactics and teamplay... depending what class you play.

Also, Left4Dead is great online. I haven't played a public game in a while, but when I did, everyone was cooperative.

>> ^spoco2:
Yup, I own it as it came as part of the Orange Box... tried it for a while, found it was still all about twitch reflexy play which I just don't enjoy. I can see it could be fun with people you know... but I just don't have the free time these days to devote to setting up such shenanigans.
So I stick to single player games.
<div><div style="margin: 10px; overflow: auto; width: 80%; float: left; position: relative;" class="convoPiece"> Xax said:<img style="margin: 4px 10px 10px; float: left; width: 40px;" src="http://static1.videosift.com/avatars/x/Xax-s.jpg" onerror="ph(this)"><div style="position: absolute; margin-left: 52px; padding-top: 1px; font-size: 10px;" class="commentarrow">◄</div><div style="padding: 8px; margin-left: 60px; margin-top: 2px; min-height: 30px;" class="nestedComment box">spoco2, out of curiosity, have you played/seen Team Fortress 2? I find it offers a different dynamic from traditional, boring deathmatch. The team dynamic makes for a more enjoyable experience for me.
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"Like many girls out there today." shut the fuck up.

Guess what xbox smashing girl, shitloads of GIRLS are gamers in todays world. The statistic is almost 45% of gamers. Get out of the fucking early/mid 90s when you were a kid. I've met so many girls that play videogames its insane.

My ex, who I'm still great friends with, would play shitloads of games WITH ME. Left4Dead, TF2, Half Life. Then she would go off and play them herself when I wasn't around. She was looking forward to Fallout 3, since she loved the originals. She couldn't wait for Modern Warfare 2. And not only that, she's not a geek or something anti social quiet girl. She's intelligent, just as attractive as this girl, does her hair nice, goes to parties, and LOVES VIDEOGAMES. It is a form of entertainment.

Doesn't matter anyway, this is fake reality shit, this, I'm betting, actor couple do so many of these videos in an attempt for net fame. Probably had red ring of death anyway.

Left4Dead is possibly the most mind-numbingly boring game I have ever played. Then again, I'm mind-numbingly bored of the entire genre. It's like vampire shows for pre-teen girls.

Oh, and playing on "blahblah" skill level is still boring, only it becomes frustrating AND boring. Like Expert on Doom 3.

Godamn idiots.

What an idiot. Using the constitution as an excuse?

The 2nd ammendment is there to protect you from all out war by a government. So until the 1st Brigade starts massing outside of bumfuck Oklahoma there is no reason for this.

Also you can bet your ass, there is a 3 letter acronym crawling all over this case.

Also, he said they meet every friday? Simple, start looking for large groups of people who meet on friday in oklahoma, specifically large groups of white people.

All I have to say is they better stay the fuck out, and chill out. Cause if they fuck up my World Of Warcraft/Left4Dead/TF2 time because of Martial Law then I'm going to be shit pissed off.