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Which is The Most Dangerous Car? Problems with NHTSA ratings

newtboy says...

I was thinking about car safety and how the biggest variable is likely the driver...how specific cars are driven on average, and it struck me that the best way to promote public safety would be to make your maximum speed limit variable based on gvw (gross vehicle weight). This is already done for vehicles with more than two axles or those towing trailers because it's obvious they take longer to stop. The same logic should apply to every car. It's a no brainer that a Humvee takes longer to stop than a Miata, and is far less controllable under emergency braking. For the safety of both those in such larger vehicles and the general public, they should not be allowed to go as fast as cars weighing 1/4 their weight with better brakes.
A side benefit of such a system would be greater average fuel economy, because bigger cars have greater wind resistance (on average) so become less efficient at higher speeds.
Of course, I wouldn't expect that kind of reason to ever fly in America where the most popular car is a heavy truck that's never used for hauling and could be replaced with a Honda Civic with no loss of functionality for >75% of owners....but everyone wants to drive a tank so they're safer, with no thought about what that means for the other cars on the road.

*quality explanation of why crash testing is only a tiny part of real life safety in cars
*promote

Hummer sinking

newtboy says...

Great example of why you want a Humvee, not a Hummer. I've seen well prepared Humvees drive through water more than 1/2 way up the windshield with no problems.

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Three Humvees Fall From the Sky In Failed Airdrop

Khufu says...

He obviously meant they need to practice dropping humvees on the enemy for when the bullets run out.

newtboy said:

So you want it to happen twice, first in training, then in combat?

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Protecting and serving with man's best friend

shang says...

I hate cops with a passion. Things are getting worse, my town has militarized the police with humvees with 50 caliber turrets. All police with AR15's and 5 K9's and my town only has 2 redlights and a population of 2000.

This is getting out of hand. The next Civil War will be people vs pigs. And hell I have coronary artery disease, I'm not going to live a long life anyhow, I'll definitely take some pigs out when pushed. I'd love to see pigs exploding in gta5 style blood spray

More Wag the Dog: Police and National Guard "Snatch & Grab"

newtboy says...

WTF? Soros "Funded" the Ferguson and Baltimore riots? That's such an asinine assertion. You don't fund riots, they're free.
Downvote the insinuation that the civil unrest is a scripted liberal fraud. How ridiculous.

Also...Why does the National Guard Humvee have a headlight out? Who's doing maintenance over there?

Israel bombs and kills children on beach, NBC pulls reporter

Lawdeedaw says...

One thing I will say. Tard asks where the mines were when the reporter was on the beach...obviously he has no fucking clue what landmines do/when they do it. You could walk the same path over and over and nothing. Then your friend can get blown off a humvee in front of your very eyes...I should know...

U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Gunfire During Firefight

spawnflagger says...

Afghanistan = shittiest possible terrain.
You need to be a mountain goat to get around there.

They should make a "Google Glass" android app that will point out where the gunfire is coming from. (there's a humvee mounted version of this tech - uses microphone array and calculates time differences)

Hyundai designs a Zombie Proof Car with Robert Kirkman

mizume says...

This is really just a silly Hyundai Elantra commercial where they also talk to one of the Walking Dead creators about his work. There are roughly 3 different versions of the car depicted, and none of them are feasible.



Of course no one would pick a compact coupe as the foundation for an armored car if they had any kind of choice in the matter (and if they don't, there's no reason to talk about what a great choice their only option is). There are a couple key areas in which this car really shows the limitations of the basic platform (a compact coupe): Height, Carry Capacity.

Basics:
An Elantra weighs about 2,800lbs unmodified (and roughly 3,500 - 4,000 as imagined), has about 150HP (not impressive numbers from a 1.8L engine), and has a sunroof roughly 4'8" feet off the ground.

Height:
The idea of a turret on top of the car for offense is great, except for the part where he's talking about a car with a height of less than 5 feet. The average person is about 5'6" with an arm's reach of at least an extra foot. So, the person in the protected turret is still likely in range (the hypotenuse of an arm reaching to this height would be slightly longer than the ~4'8" car height plus the roughly foot and a half of turret). Have you ever stood out of a compact coupe's sunroof while the car was in motion? There's not a lot of room in that car period, there's certainly no room for a person to stand in the center of it while it's in motion in a high stress situation.

Carry Capacity:
The Elantra has a roughly 900lbs carry capacity (this weight includes driver and passengers, plus armor and such). I'm going to assume the weight of the cow catcher is about equal to an average small truck snow plow (250lbs), and that it's for hitting zombies not clearing the road of vehicles, and I'm going to place a fair shot in the dark of roughly 172.5lbs for the rest of the armor (assuming 7 gauge sheet metal is ideal, and assuming 23 square feet will cover enough glass). So far we've got 477.5lbs of carry capacity for driver, gunner, passengers, and gear. Each person likely weighs roughly 200lbs which means the car has enough capacity to deal with a driver, a single gunner, and two moderately well stocked bags of supplies. Any more than this and the car will start to run into issues, a lot more than this (say, loading it up with passengers and gear) and you risk significant damage to the car's ability to continue driving. All of this assumes they don't want to beef up the rear of the car to allow the vehicle to be able to "safely" ram other obstructions in the road (in a demolition derby drivers drive, and crash into each other, backwards to protect all of the sensitive components in the engine bay).

Other:
The roman chariot style blades on the wheels of a car was tried in an episode of the tv show Top Gear and it threw off the wheel balance to the point of making the car entirely undrivable for any more than a mile or two. Also, just about the last thing you want to do when dealing with zombies is damage their legs because it's much easier to see a zombie walking than a zombie crawling (our soldiers crawl when they want to be harder to see in modern combat for a reason). The general purpose of a compact car is to be accessible (read: inexpensive), and often they utilize a small fuel efficient engine. Increasing the weight of this car by about 40% is not doing any favors to the already under powered car, and the fuel economy is going to suffer. Realistically, speed and acceleration are meaningless (of course the car will exceed the 3 mile per hour average human walking speed).

Improvements:
*Start with a different type of vehicle. Perhaps something that was designed to be large.
*Ignore the mad max spikes.


research tools:
http://www.hyundaiusa.com/elantra/specifications.aspx
http://www.hyundai-forums.com/197-i30-elantra-touring-forum/140546-load-capacity-2012-touring.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humvee
http://www.fisherplows.com/fe/showroom/homesteader
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/gauge-sheet-d_915.html
http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/scales/sheetmetal.html

Family Guy's Send-up to Pat Tillman

marbles says...

>> ^AeroMechanical:

I haven't seen anything that suggested it was murder, just really poor trigger discipline.


Keep telling yourself that. The medical examiners thought otherwise.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-07-26-tillman-friendly-fire_N.htm
"The doctors — whose names were blacked out — said that the bullet holes were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away."

The medical examiners wanted a criminal investigation, but...
"Army attorneys sent each other congratulatory e-mails for keeping criminal investigators at bay as the Army conducted an internal friendly-fire investigation that resulted in administrative, or non-criminal, punishments."

"No evidence at all of enemy fire was found at the scene — no one was hit by enemy fire, nor was any government equipment struck."

How does one mistake fellow Army Rangers in Army Humvees for enemy when they don't return fire and engage them for 10+ minutes and then get ten yards away from the most recognizable person in the platoon shouting his name and shoot him in the head with a 3 round burst?

... because of "poor trigger discipline"? Yeah, right.

Sgt Dakota Meyer awarded Medal of Honor by President Obama

MarineGunrock says...

@charliem:

First and foremost: Would you kindly go fuck yourself?

Now that I have that out of the way, religion has been an integral part of military ceremony throughout the entire history of our armed forces. No one is forced to be religious and the only place it comes us is with invocation at the start and ending of ceremonies.

As far as holding this guy above those that work towards cures for cancer: those researches aren't being shot at with AK-47s and RPGs. How the hell is what he did violent stupidity?


Of course this whole thing was presented in an calculated way. What would you rather? The president just get up on stage, undo his tie and just wing it? Fly from the seat of his pants? "Yeah, so uh, this guy here, welll, there was some shootin' and stuff, and some people got hit, so he and this other dude tooke a humvee to go get em. There was some more shootin' I think, and he save some do0dz lives."



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