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When Democrats have all branches in their states

newtboy says...

So, Bobby, what is the 2020 Republican platform?
“Block Democrats from any progress”, absolutely nothing else.
There wa a proposal for a Republican Party platform….”1) raise taxes by $4500 on all low income people who today don’t pay taxes because they are below the poverty level and 2) end all social programs like Medicare, Medicare, social security, food assistance programs, etc. by “sun setting” any social program every 5 years and requiring the new legislature to start over from scratch (unless the right has control, then forget it).

“We cannot blame republicans (for rich people not paying taxes) when HOUSE democrats have the majority” 1) the tax breaks for the rich were enacted when Republicans held the house, senate, presidency, and a supermajority in the Supreme Court…a simple majority in the house and no where else after the fact does not give Democrats the ability to repeal a horrific law.

Then he wants to blame the California legislature for local groups fighting against low income housing in their neighborhood, for zoning and construction laws that severely limit where and how you can build. Such nonsense. The housing crisis in California is not limited to the homeless, there just aren’t enough houses to buy or rent. Pretending there are just no programs to secure housing, that the legislatures just don’t care and are ignoring the issue isn’t just ignorant, it’s outright dishonest. No surprise at all considering the source. California has a housing crisis, not simply an “ignoring the homeless “ problem. Property in California is so in demand that average workers are priced out of the market and fully employed people find themselves homeless. Red states have cheap property because successful professional people don’t want to live there, which leads to more affordable housing and fewer homeless. My property has quadrupled in value over 20 years, and I’m not in any town or city.

California just approved $12 BILLION to spend on our homeless issues. Red states pass laws essentially making homelessness a crime, so many homeless migrate to “blue states” where services exist and they aren’t put in jail for sleeping in public or loitering.

Texas just made it illegal for homeless people to camp in tents.

So, Bob, tell me about the Republican plans to house the homeless in red states. About all the services and assistance they want to provide but are blocked by democrats from moving forward. Show me the high end Republican neighborhoods inviting low income housing into their neighborhoods, keeping in mind that many, even in California, are right wing neighborhoods with Republican led local government that blocks construction.

You’ve tried this nonsense propaganda before, about 6 months ago when it was originally posted if I recall, I debunked it thoroughly then. So sad @bobknight33 can’t remember anything for over 3 seconds or he would recall the last time he posted this nonsense opinion piece and I rubbed his nose in it.

Downvote into oblivion this right wing projection,

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Russell Brand: Corrupt bankers need to go down!

LiquidDrift says...

Not everyone who profited from the collapse were criminal bankers, there were a few independent finance people that saw there was a bubble and placed bets accordingly just by doing good research.

Still, there are quite a few people in the banking industry that should be in jail for what they did in the housing crisis. There's more going on aside from that, NOBODY went to jail when HSBC got caught laundering billions for drug cartels even though they clearly knew what they were doing!!!!!

Why Obama Now - Simpson's animator weighs in

Yogi says...

>> ^quantumushroom:

"Simpsons animator weighs in." They've all been "weighing in" as pro-taxocrat liberals since back when the show used to be funny, in 1995.
There was never any "surplus", which would mean the national debt was zero.
Tax cuts won't work if you keep spending more than is/can be taken in.
Who really pays the taxes? 70% of all taxes are paid by the wealthy while 50% of Americans pay no federal income tax.
"Deregulation" caused the housing crisis? Bullsh1t.
The short answer to why this sift is bunkum? Europe. That's the socialism American taxocrats want. How has it worked out over there?


I'm sorry QM, sometimes I totally get your arguments. The fact is though that the American people wouldn't vote Republican (or Democrat) if they knew they could be voting FOR their interests and not for a PR Bullshit show. Both parties are significantly to the Right of the Public, on almost every issue down the list. The people are supposed to stay out of running the country, we're not supposed to have a say. Because if we did suddenly the Banks would be regulated. Our Foreign Policy would not include having bases all over the world trying to control it. Nafta wouldn't fucking exist and everyone would have health care and free education. People would own and work the factories in their towns and it wouldn't be run by some faceless corporate entity. Life would be what we make of it, if this was a functioning democracy.

Also Simpsons was funny until 98 stupid! Everybody knows that!!! Well a few episodes were at least.

Why Obama Now - Simpson's animator weighs in

EvilDeathBee says...

>> ^quantumushroom:

"Simpsons animator weighs in." They've all been "weighing in" as pro-taxocrat liberals since back when the show used to be funny, in 1995.
There was never any "surplus", which would mean the national debt was zero.
Tax cuts won't work if you keep spending more than is/can be taken in.
Who really pays the taxes? 70% of all taxes are paid by the wealthy while 50% of Americans pay no federal income tax.
"Deregulation" caused the housing crisis? Bullsh1t.
The short answer to why this sift is bunkum? Europe. That's the socialism American taxocrats want. How has it worked out over there?


Your avatar is really ironic

Why Obama Now - Simpson's animator weighs in

quantumushroom says...

"Simpsons animator weighs in." They've all been "weighing in" as pro-taxocrat liberals since back when the show used to be funny, in 1995.

There was never any "surplus", which would mean the national debt was zero.

Tax cuts won't work if you keep spending more than is/can be taken in.

Who really pays the taxes? 70% of all taxes are paid by the wealthy while 50% of Americans pay no federal income tax.

"Deregulation" caused the housing crisis? Bullsh1t.

The short answer to why this sift is bunkum? Europe. That's the socialism American taxocrats want. How has it worked out over there?

Housing Crisis Predicted in 2006, Fox Talking Heads Laugh

23 things they dont tell you about capitalism

quantumushroom says...

Whatever its flaws, capitalism is efficient and rewards quality, while government's central-planned rubbish is the exact opposite.

Government meddling--not capitalism--caused the housing crisis. Why is smaller government better? It doesn't encourage people to take stupid risks with their own money and keeps their hands off of other people's money.

Answer the Question

NetRunner says...

>> ^bobknight33:

But if you can't find a job in a year than you are lazy bastard who is not willing to do what ever to takes to find employment. I moved 4 times for 4 new jobs. There is only a few of us per state. So When I need another job it means moving. It sucks but that life.
...
There are Millions of jobs available and you only need 1. Just one and only 1


I think it's a stretch to imply that anyone who wants a job can find one, especially right now. Even for low-wage positions, there's almost 100 applicants for each opening.

A lot of people also need to not just find any job they can get their hands on, but need to find a job that makes enough for them to be able to provide for their family. Hell, they might also need a job that lets them live up to their obligations to creditors. I know that if I got fired tomorrow, I couldn't just go work a minimum wage job and never need assistance from anyone.

Also, due to the nature of the housing crisis, a lot of people are underwater on their mortgage. In case you're unclear on what that means, it means even after someone sold their house, they'd still owe money to pay off the mortgage, and not just a trivial amount either. That's making people a lot less mobile than they usually are.

Also, since we're talking about someone who's getting on in years, they're going to have a lot of trouble getting an entry-level position when there are so many young people looking for jobs too. They're going to have a hard time finding a high-level position, because there aren't a lot of those to be found even in good times, and in bad times the competition is going to be fierce.

Which is all a long way of saying, it's very easy, especially now, for someone to wind up involuntarily unemployed for more than a year.

>> ^bobknight33:
If you do not want to pack up and move for a job why should we the people carry you?


Well this seems to be the fundamental moral difference between you and I. I think that people who stumble need to be helped back up.

You seem to assume everyone who falls down is just trying to scam people into carrying their weight for them. Further, you think that sort of thing should matter when you see someone else fall down.

People who've lost their way so badly that they want to be carried all the time need even more help than those who just want a little help to get back on their feet. They aren't wicked sinners who need to be punished, they're lost souls who need to be rehabilitated.

Liberal and Conservative Brains are Physically Different

HaricotVert says...

Isn't that exactly what I just said? That regardless of how "hard" (the word is in quotations because I am not sure if semantically speaking we are working from the same definition of "more hours worked") someone works, the government is already taking a set amount? I've bolded your own words that mirror my own.

If the government takes a quarter of what you make no matter how hard you work, are you going to work harder?

If the government takes 1/10th of what you make no matter how hard you work, are you going to work harder?

If the government takes 1/100th of what you make no matter how hard you work, are you going to work harder?

That was exactly my point and you seem to agree with it - the government is taking a set amount regardless of how hard you work, whether that's 15 hours a week or 40 hours a week or 80 hours a week. How "hard" (again, as in # of hours) someone works is irrelevant to how much the government is taking.

Your underlying assumption is that working more hours = more money, which is simply not the case for 1. all salaried employees in the workforce and 2. businesses that are subject to market forces/demand. How can someone work 80 hours a week if their business doesn't have sufficient demand/customers to even produce that much? That's like saying home construction workers/architects/building contractors at the trough of the housing crisis would have worked harder if only the government would lower taxes on their income. That's bullshit because home building and renovations/improvements were at record lows during that time.

Unemployment itself is a far, far bigger problem than lowering taxes if we're talking about average Joe Citizen trying to make an honest living.

>> ^quantumushroom:

Why do you think you're the standard for what I'm talking about? You're not running a business, are you? Because those people put in 80 hours a week easily, and are preyed on by the system far more than regular workers.
This isn't rocket science, peeps. If you shovel sh1t for 10 hours and the government takes half of what you make no matter how hard you work, are you going to work harder? I'm dealing with liberals so I've tried to type as slowly as possible.
Oh, and Genjkerk, I'll remove the splinter from mine eye when you remove the beam from yours.

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heropsycho says...

I agree with everything you just wrote.

The only thing that I would point out is the media is biased as Jon Stewart put it to be lazy, and to generate conflict, but it will spin what is going on in society either conservative or liberal to get out of real reporting, and to be sensational. Anything they can do to get people to consume said media is fair game. That laziness falls on both sides of the political spectrum media wide. And it doesn't help when society tunes out when the story isn't something that elicits an emotional response, or doesn't have a simple lesson or solution. Nuance and complexity is something most Americans abhor.

Case in point, when is the last time you saw something on the news that showed how many IT jobs are given to people with work visas, and compare that to how many people are graduating college with computer science degrees to illustrate that portion of outsourcing? I don't think I've ever seen that presented in the news. That point is very hard to pin as conservative or liberal because solutions to remedy it could come from both parties. And there's no easily identified villian, either. So instead, let's paint the big bad evil corporations for outsourcing in general because that's easy to report on, throw some basic generalized stats up about number of jobs outsourced, show corporate profits increasing, and do people love to consume that kind of story. I see that left and right in IT. I know friends who see it left and right in other sections of the economy like bioengineering, etc. But it never gets reported on. These are the jobs and sectors that will be growing in the modern economy, and we as a nation are doing a poor job preparing the next generations to succeed in them, no question about it.

Or conversely, if you love you some Fox News, let's focus on the fact that there's this agency called Planned Parenthood, that is in part funded by federal tax dollars, and it performs abortions! OMG! This must be this huge problem! Only, if you're a sane individual, you'd normally then want to know how much of this is going on, and you quickly realize the number of abortions that are performed in these facilities is under 100 annually nationwide, and it's dubious at best if federal dollars actually paid for any of those procedures. But finding those statistics is either purposefully omitted to sensationalize and stir up conflict, or done so out of sheer laziness. But conservative Americans eat that stuff up, because it's easy for them to follow, clearly identifiable villians, and fits their ideological narrative of the US crumbling from disregarding "traditional values". The facts of course clearly show this isn't a significant problem.

Back to the housing crisis, etc, the truth is there's blame to go around with the banks, government, and consumers. I also have a friend who took on a mortgage he shouldn't have. Got an 80/20, he's a single income earner, wife is in the process of getting a degree in nursing, they have two kids. In 2006, they got this big massive house in a brand new neighborhood. It's the American dream. Now, it's not like this guy is dumb. He took out $400,000 mortgages (80/20), very high interest, etc. on a single income, knowing full well his wife was going to school, and he didn't have an emergency fund to speak of.

I don't care what he was told by the lenders and real estate agent - he had no one to blame but himself in the end. He had a perfectly good house in a good neighborhood already. He just bought a new car as well. He had credit card debt. He wasn't putting much money away for retirement either. There's nothing anyone can say but "it's your fault" when the economy tanked in 2008, we both worked for the same company, and they cut our salaries to avoid layoffs. I'd have been sympathetic if he were doing the basics right, had a good emergency fund, could put a good 20% down for the mortgage, had no credit card debt, etc., then got caught later despite his best efforts, or lacked the mental capability to know he was walking into a potential economic deathtrap. But he wasn't putting forth anywhere close to a best effort financially speaking. When the same thing happened to me, I cut back on paying my mortgage off early, and sat on a six months emergency fund if the layoff ever came, and increased my retirement contributions when the market tanked to jumpstart it when the market would inevitably rebounded. There was never a sleepless night.

He's in better shape now, we got our salaries put back, and what did he do? Took that several year "postponed" trip to Disneyworld with the wife and kids, put off contributing to the reinstituted 401k, never has started an IRA for him or his wife, no college fund for the kids, only has one month emergency fund, although he has reduced his credit card balances.

I wouldn't pretend to know which is worse in the US - predatory lending and other abuses by businesses against consumers, or a complete lack of personal responsibility. But I know this - there's plenty of both, but you certainly don't hear it's both from pretty much any media outlet.

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quantumushroom says...

Leave out the Taxocrat "Free Houses for Poor People Who Won't Repay The Loans Act" and the history of the housing crisis is neatly rewritten.

"No, no, government interference didn't cause people to take stupid risks at ALL! It was all GREED!"

(BTW how much was Blarney Fwank's bonus after running Fan-Fred into the ground)?



"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and now if I am wrong somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosper. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. I say after eight years of this administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started. And enormous debt to boot."

--Henry Morgenthau, Secretary of Treasury under FDR, as written in his personal diary in May 1939

"NO NO, FDR socialism ENDED the Depression! It just prolonged ITSELF for 14 years afterward!"

Shameless, Craven, Unprincipled, Partisan Hackery

ghark says...

Nope, but the GOP isn't any better. Also, your comments on "employers" are overly simplistic. Firstly, take an employer who draws a reasonable salary and makes sure his company pays taxes. Now take an employer that takes tens of millions of dollars in bonuses and benefits, just because they can, and attempts to get laws passed which reduce his companies tax rate to basically nothing.

One of these employers is beneficial to the economy, the other leeches from the economy so I think it is unfair to lump them together.

Also, what's the deal with calling them taxocrats, don't you guys have some of the lowest rates of taxes in history right now?

>> ^quantumushroom:

Does anyone still believe Taxocrats "care" about "working people?" At least more than the other side?
Taxocrats take more money from Wall Street "donors" than Republicans. Taxocrats caused the housing crisis via bad loans to people who they knew would never repay.
Evil rich people have a second identity the left doesn't like to mention: "Employers." Taxocrats cause employers to do nothing and wait out the reign of financial instability fomented by confiscatory threats; no one is going on a hiring spree only to have Taxocrats slam them with a bill for socialist medicine.
Not that Maddow doesn't have a point. It's possible even those RINOS now realize The SS Obama is a sinking ship. Welcome to politics.

Shameless, Craven, Unprincipled, Partisan Hackery

quantumushroom says...

Does anyone still believe Taxocrats "care" about "working people?" At least more than the other side?

Taxocrats take more money from Wall Street "donors" than Republicans. Taxocrats caused the housing crisis via bad loans to people who they knew would never repay.

Evil rich people have a second identity the left doesn't like to mention: "Employers." Taxocrats cause employers to do nothing and wait out the reign of financial instability fomented by confiscatory threats; no one is going on a hiring spree only to have Taxocrats slam them with a bill for socialist medicine.

Not that Maddow doesn't have a point. It's possible even those RINOS now realize The SS Obama is a sinking ship. Welcome to politics.

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