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Don't ever point a gun at something you don't want to kill

ChaosEngine says...

If there was, then it's an even more monumental engineering fail.
As a core principle, mechanisms should "fail safe". So something that needed to be tightened/removed should prevent the gun from firing at all.

Payback said:

I wonder if there's something you need to remove and/or tighten after shipping that wasn't performed. Kinda like those "remove before installation" pins on older car CD players.

Our Drone Future

Fausticle says...

Hilarious! I would LOVE to meet the person who wrote this.

"In the future we will put a HAL like A.I. in everything and take away all fail safes because it will make everything better.Or will it? DUN DUN DUN!"

I think this writer might just be the next Isaac Asimov! I for one have been jolted awake by this razor sharp view into our dark future!

The Mountain Goats "No Children"

calvados says...

I hope that our few remaining friends
Give up on trying to save us
I hope we come out with a fail-safe plot
To piss off the dumb few that forgave us

I hope the fences we mended
Fall down beneath their own weight
And I hope we hang on past the last exit
I hope it's already too late

And I hope the junkyard a few blocks from here
Someday burns down
And I hope the rising black smoke carries me far away
And I never come back to this town again in my life

I hope I lie
And tell everyone you were a good wife
And I hope you die
I hope we both die

I hope I cut myself shaving tomorrow
I hope it bleeds all day long
Our friends say it's darkest before the sun rises
We're pretty sure they're all wrong

I hope it stays dark forever
I hope the worst isn't over
And I hope you blink before I do
And I hope I never get sober

And I hope when you think of me years down the line
You can't find one good thing to say
And I'd hope that if I found the strength to walk out
You'd stay the hell out of my way

I am drowning
There is no sign of land
You are coming down with me
Hand in unlovable hand

And I hope you die
I hope we both die

BP: RIP?

dag says...

Comment hidden because you are ignoring dag. (show it anyway)

The job was being rushed on BP's behest. The buck should stop with them. And this.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/bps-dismal-safety-record/story?id=10763042

>> ^malakai:
I doubt they would have rushed the job, because if they had, then by default, every other deep-sea well "operated" by BP would be compromised and it would be only a matter of time until they all have the same problem they had here.
I would bet that whoever first drilled the well and installed the casing and the well head would have rushed the job, and looking around a bit on the internet, it seems that the US doesnt require a remote fail-safe installed on wells. So a cock-up in US safety regulations, coupled with rushed work and a crap rig caused this. None of which are wholly down to BP.

BP: RIP?

malakai says...

I doubt they would have rushed the job, because if they had, then by default, every other deep-sea well "operated" by BP would be compromised and it would be only a matter of time until they all have the same problem they had here.

I would bet that whoever first drilled the well and installed the casing and the well head would have rushed the job, and looking around a bit on the internet, it seems that the US doesnt require a remote fail-safe installed on wells. So a cock-up in US safety regulations, coupled with rushed work and a crap rig caused this. None of which are wholly down to BP.

Rocketboom Oil Slick - Fly Over of the Gulf Oil Spill

Rocketboom Oil Slick - Fly Over of the Gulf Oil Spill

longde says...

Actually, I can't imagine they make enough volume of this component to do any statistically significant testing.

And BP is absolutely responsible for this disaster, good intentions or no. The final manufacturer or project owner has to take responsibility to ensure the quality of the components, parts, and modules that he buys. Especially since the risks are so high. The fact that they didn't put this fail safe on their rig looks very much like a financially driven decision.

But even if they did everything they could, it's still their fault. BP, and other oil companies, choose to gamble not only with their investors, but with our planet. And that is not hyperbole, as we now see. All of BP's money will not fix this disaster. They owe humanity a huge debt.

Also, I am sure that this has happened before with BP or others in the same business; I hope some journo is digging for other occurrences so we know the full score.

>> ^Mcboinkens:

>> ^enoch:
it was not a small random chance.
thats what BP would LOVE for you to view this disaster but in reality it was negligence and greed.
40 billion in profits last year and BP tried to save 500k.fuck BP in the ass with a razor blade dildo.
the reason why you have not seen this type of disaster in other developed countries is due to the fact they impose incredibly strict safety measures with hefty fines attached if not adhered to.
thanks to haliburton and its influence in american legislature no such requirements here in the states.
exxons valdez was tragic but that was an tanker and with that comes risk.THIS could have been avoided from the beginning all the way to a few days prior.
so while i would tend to agree with your assertion "accidents happen" not in this case..NOT ONE BIT..this could have and SHOULD have been avoided but..profit above all else right??
now you watch as BP will use its political might to squirm out of this disaster which will be felt for the next twenty years.
whole communities wiped out.eco-systems destroyed to a point they may never recover.
accidents happen right? what would you say if you understood this could have been avoided?
would you still be so flip?
because i know if i run into a BP executive i am kicking him in the balls.

You seem pretty confident. Prove it wasn't a small chance. Prove they don't go through an abundance of safety regulations. It's easy to hop on the hate boat when something bad happens, but do you really think that these companies are that stupid? Yes, they'll get a slightly larger profit if they cut some corners, but they weigh that against something like this happening and just reinforce standards. Crews go through extensive safety training. The equipment used out there is tested before deployment. To think otherwise is ignorant. It pisses me off even more than you seem to place all of the blame on BP. I'll say it once and I'll say it again: BP didn't manufacture that blow-out preventor. We don't know all of the details yet, but do you really think they would purposely put a faulty preventor out in a deep-ocean well?

Also, my rebuttal for it NOT being small, random chance. Basic statistics. The company that produced the BOP in question probably ran simple random samples on their final products. A sample taken from a large batch of BOP probably tested fine, even though this one, and possible many others, was able to get through their testing, due to small, and random chance.

Michael Brown: Obama Wanted The Oil Spill To Happen

volumptuous says...

GeeSussFreek:

BP and Cheney worked together to remove the requirement that offshore drills within the US have "acoustic regulators" that would be activated remotely, stopping the flow of oil at the sea floor in case of emergency. They removed the requirement because: "acoustic systems are not recommended because they tend to be very costly." And Bush said that oil rigs are already "fail safe".

How costly? $500,000.00

How much is this oil spill going to cost US taxpayers? $14billion

You may remember the secret meetings Cheney had with 100+ oil executives only 2 weeks after entering office. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Task_Force). This was one of the things that came from these meetings.

In other countries, however, BP is required by law to use these regulators. So, in essence, we'd all be better off if the US has nothing to do with offshore drilling due to the massive collusion between our gov't and the oil industry.

How To Handle Unintended Acceleration

supersparky says...

The Prius that was in the news recently, here in San Diego, the conventional brakes were useless, and shifting to neutral wouldn't work, as it wouldn't allow it. What was successful, according to the CHP, was a very zealous tug on the hand brake (definitely an "emergency" brake in this case) as well as the foot pedal. The officer positioned his car in front, not to slow it down, but to prevent it from shooting forward after the driver finally got the car to a stop, despite it still wanting to move forward. Essentially the squad car was acting as a brick wall, but not a brake assist.

In this case, the car would not shift into neutral, nor did foot braking alone make a difference. It was muscle on the hand brake that ever so slowly dropped the speed.

You are correct about the first casualty. It was a Lexus and it happened in Santee, CA (part of San Diego County). The brake and neutral attempt were useless. The situation is described thus:

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California Highway Patrol Officer Mark Saylor, 45, his wife, Cleofe, 45, their daughter Mahala, 13, and Cleofe's brother Chris Lastrella, 39, were traveling on a freeway near Santee on Aug. 28 when their vehicle reached speeds of more than 120 mph, hit a sport utility vehicle, launched off an embankment, rolled several times and burst into flames.

Investigators found that a wrong-sized floor mat that trapped the accelerator was the cause of the crash. (Note, this has not been forensically proven, and is in dispute at the moment.)

A haunting 911 call captured Lastrella telling the others to pray before the car launched off the embankment.

...the Lexus ES350 "began to accelerate on its own." Saylor attempted to apply the brakes and do everything possible to stop the car, but he was unable to do so...
---

The video demonstrated the "technique" on a relatively low horse power (and low torque) four cylinder engine. A Lexus ES350 has a 272HP V6 (at full throttle) and the Prius has a high torque electric motor. Good luck with that braking.

>> ^silvercord:
>> ^supersparky:
What this article fails to include are the unique issues with the hybrid cars. Oddly enough, two have gone out of control in my home city, San Diego. The first being a death, which started the publicity. This one was driven by an off duty cop! I would think his training would have given him these skills to stop the car. However, as more and more facts have come out, the brakes it seems are useless. The Prius uses a combination of electrical and mechanical braking. Unfortunately the mechanical only kicks in under a certain speed.
Many people have reported burying the brake pedal to the floor and it having little effect. They also seem to not be able to shift into neutral, as it's a drive by wire system. Many cars don't let you shut off the engine if it's in gear too.
The Prius, while being a butt ugly eye sore and gutless wonder, also has an electric motor. These have 100% of their torque at any RPM. This means a gas engine can be fought and stalled with functional brakes, but you fight the full torgue of an electric motor all the way down to stopping, if you're lucky.
No, a fail-safe override needs to be considered for all drive by wire vehicles. Something that actually physically disconnects power from the system as a last resort.

My understanding is that the car driven by the off duty officer was a 2009 Lexus ES 350. That is not a hybrid. That said, I tried the 'move the shift to neutral' trick yesterday in my Windstar and it worked just fine.
However, the link I provided also noted: Last month, Consumer Reports found that models that don't have so-called smart-throttle technology, which allows the brake to take precedence over the throttle, a vehicle might not have adequate brakes to overcome a stuck throttle at 60 mph.
So, jam your foot down on the brake and kick it into neutral, pray like hell that you hit a truckload of Snuggies.
As for the electric cars, maybe a nuclear air burst that issues an effective electromagnetic pulse would do the trick.

How To Handle Unintended Acceleration

silvercord says...

>> ^supersparky:
What this article fails to include are the unique issues with the hybrid cars. Oddly enough, two have gone out of control in my home city, San Diego. The first being a death, which started the publicity. This one was driven by an off duty cop! I would think his training would have given him these skills to stop the car. However, as more and more facts have come out, the brakes it seems are useless. The Prius uses a combination of electrical and mechanical braking. Unfortunately the mechanical only kicks in under a certain speed.
Many people have reported burying the brake pedal to the floor and it having little effect. They also seem to not be able to shift into neutral, as it's a drive by wire system. Many cars don't let you shut off the engine if it's in gear too.
The Prius, while being a butt ugly eye sore and gutless wonder, also has an electric motor. These have 100% of their torque at any RPM. This means a gas engine can be fought and stalled with functional brakes, but you fight the full torgue of an electric motor all the way down to stopping, if you're lucky.
No, a fail-safe override needs to be considered for all drive by wire vehicles. Something that actually physically disconnects power from the system as a last resort.


My understanding is that the car driven by the off duty officer was a 2009 Lexus ES 350. That is not a hybrid. That said, I tried the 'move the shift to neutral' trick yesterday in my Windstar and it worked just fine.

However, the link I provided also noted: Last month, Consumer Reports found that models that don't have so-called smart-throttle technology, which allows the brake to take precedence over the throttle, a vehicle might not have adequate brakes to overcome a stuck throttle at 60 mph.

So, jam your foot down on the brake and kick it into neutral, pray like hell that you hit a truckload of Snuggies.

As for the electric cars, maybe a nuclear air burst that issues an effective electromagnetic pulse would do the trick.

How To Handle Unintended Acceleration

supersparky says...

What this article fails to include are the unique issues with the hybrid cars. Oddly enough, two have gone out of control in my home city, San Diego. The first being a death, which started the publicity. This one was driven by an off duty cop! I would think his training would have given him these skills to stop the car. However, as more and more facts have come out, the brakes it seems are useless. The Prius uses a combination of electrical and mechanical braking. Unfortunately the mechanical only kicks in under a certain speed.

Many people have reported burying the brake pedal to the floor and it having little effect. They also seem to not be able to shift into neutral, as it's a drive by wire system. Many cars don't let you shut off the engine if it's in gear too.

The Prius, while being a butt ugly eye sore and gutless wonder, also has an electric motor. These have 100% of their torque at any RPM. This means a gas engine can be fought and stalled with functional brakes, but you fight the full torgue of an electric motor all the way down to stopping, if you're lucky.

No, a fail-safe override needs to be considered for all drive by wire vehicles. Something that actually physically disconnects power from the system as a last resort.

Lockheed Sabre Warrior: Bringing your Nightmares to Life

Cluster Bomb vs Cement Mixer

rgroom1 says...

what is this fail-safe self destruct?; that the bomb should explode? Is the bomb in the video a picked-up bomblet? I can't imagine it falling from 20k feet and not blowing up, then some kid picking it up and kicking it and blowing his leg off. I'd really like more details. it's obvious that bombs aren't really made to be THAT safe.

Inside the making of 'Dr Strangelove'

Sci-Fi Film Reccomendations (Cinema Talk Post)

Farhad2000 says...

I liked the Cube movies when they came out, I think they really have been surpassed over the years and haven't aged well. When it came out it was a different take on the standard horror/haunted house type of deal.

Thanks for the great list Eklek, and yes unfortunately I have watched almost the whole list. I was surprised to see Russian flicks like Kin Dza Dza and Ivan Vasevilich Meanyt Prafesiou, thought they are comedy sci-fi films more then hard sci-fi. Great films, though without knowing Russian one wouldn't really enjoy them, at least not in the same way as Solaris and Stalker. Yeah Stalker wasn't on that list though was it?

I got Fail Safe recently, so am gonna watch that. I haven't seen any of the newer flicks like Iron Man, because I want to see them on DVD and not in cinemas in Kuwait where they cut up movies.

Great to see lost of Anime on that list, especially Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind, Howls Moving Castle, Castle in the Sky.... though I never heard of The Girl Who Leapt Through Time so I will getting that.

Also first time I ever heard of The Holy Mountain and A Boy and his Dog... thanks to you all...



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