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Beto interrupts dog and pony show

newtboy says...

Republicans are perpetrators of near 100% of election fraud….and claim to be the only ones who care about it….what improvements to election systems or increased punishments for those committing vote fraud have they made to curb this anti democracy anti America issue with their party?

*crickets*

A: none, they’ve blocked any legislation proposed to secure elections and made them less secure by installing crazed partisan criminals as clerks who tamper with and steal voting machines making them invalid for use, costing millions and compromising what little election security existed.

Edit: The Republicans ACTUALLY control all three branches in multiple states, but haven’t done a thing to secure the election system (vote ID doesn’t address any of the fraud actually found, eliminating vote by mail might, but for the few (all Republican) fraudulent vote attempts it might stop it disenfranchises exponentially more legal voters…literally millions of legal voters.). No Republican state legislature has put a paper trail in place for electronic voting, nor have they increased the punishment for vote fraud. Why is that Bob?

*crickets*

Democrats have taken steps to curb mass shootings…limiting clip size, ammo purchasing, private gun sales, testing requirements to concealed carry, barring violent felons and violent mentally ill people and (temporarily) people with active restraining orders against them from gun ownership, etc on state levels, the only place Republicans can’t just block any attempted legislation without even reading it first.

bobknight33 said:

Democrats control all 3 branches. What improvement have they made to curb this issue?

Senators Who Urged Voters To Decide - Now What?

newtboy says...

Proof? Evidence? Anything besides empty words from crybaby loser liars to back that up?

Republican led election officials uniformly say there was no significant cheating, less than normal, zero evidence of irregularities, no evidence of electronic vote changing, no dead people voted, and no baby eating lizard people taking votes to Spain so Venezuelans could flip votes, then returning these flipped votes through communist Cuba to be counted.

Show me a scintilla of evidence, since you've repeatedly excused, backed up, and reveled in lying and are completely untrustworthy. So far all cheating has been Republicans getting caught stealing ballots despite what OAN says. 300000 undelivered votes thanks to trump lackey Dejoy ignoring court orders to search for them to mention just one. The thousands of "affidavits" don't count since they've been tossed out of court as unreliable twaddle.

bobknight33 said:

IF Democrats didn't cheat then Trump would not be fighting back.

Trump’s Vast And Ongoing Project To Steal The Election

vil says...

"99% of violence last 3+ years s from the left refusal to acknowledge a peaceful transfer to power because Hillary lost."

This is an outright lie. No one questioned the transfer of power based on the election result. Many people were horrified that a self centered imbecile.. TLDR.

"With such a polarized society, why would one introduce a voting method lacking high standards of control, unless the party pushing for such is that they want to seal the election?"

Introduce? Read up about mail in and absentee ballots. You have to go state by state. They have existed for a long time, they leave a paper trail. Nothing "introduced" there. Much better than any form of electronic voting for instance.

"So this piece of fake news is taking the position that Trump will bitch / moan and fight after the election all those un-counted mail in votes."

That is the position Trump is taking, explicitly and literally, yes.

Then just so up and VOTE in person.

Exactly, why bitch about mail in ballots when you can shut up and vote in person?

As for possible mail in shenanigans that dont occur:::::

Election fraud is extremely rare. If you shut up and vote in person you dont have to be worried about your mail in vote getting lost.

Vote in person and be done with it.

There you go, just like you, personally, dont have to get an abortion, you can also, if you so wish, vote in person.

Why stop people from voting by mail, is it because you are afraid to lose?

bobknight33 said:

stuff

US voting machines are failing. Here’s why.

notarobot says...

Search "Electronic Voting" on here to find a ton of reasons why it's a bad idea.


Eroding Electoral Confidence | Full Frontal with Samantha Be

moonsammy says...

I have to strongly disagree with her last points on the recounts in Wisconsin etc - if there's an appearance that the results are in any way suspect, a recount is entirely reasonable. It's quite well established that many of the electronic voting machines in use throughout the country are in fact vulnerable to tampering, and if we can document any instances of that actually occurring that's only for the good. We *shouldn't* have full faith in election results when they're susceptible to manipulation, and should audit them regularly (either when things smell funny or just randomly).

Trump Exposes Trump

transmorpher says...

The problem with electronic voting is that it makes it really hard to draw a cock'n'balls on the ballot paper.

From an outsiders view it looks like the choices are extreme corporate insanity vs well spoken extreme corporate abuse.

Not that it's much better where I live, it's always a choice between the terrible party and the slightly less terrible party. And voting is more about voting out the worse party, rather than picking a party that you actually like.

Next leak will lead to arrest of Hillary Clinton – Assange

vil says...

Electronic voting makes the democratic process untrustworthy.

Any voting that can not be anonymous and supervised by all interested parties, any kind of "magic black box" with no paper record will be hacked and misused and should not be trusted.

Also Watergate was a scandal for the party doing the breaking-in. Nowadays it seems the other way round.

Also no-one in their right mind would hack Trumps mails. What worse could he write than what he says? What difference would it make if we knew?

Next leak will lead to arrest of Hillary Clinton – Assange

newtboy says...

One possible silver lining, this may make "them" more concerned about the electronic voting machines being hacked, which has been a concern since they were first introduced. There's a real chance that a foreign country might actually control the results, with no way to ever be sure, since there's no paper trail.

Mordhaus said:

Even more bad news, they just found out that Clinton's campaign servers were hacked. Maybe Assange was right?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/29/politics/democratic-congressional-campaign-committee-hacked/index.html

John Oliver: Primaries and Caucuses

newtboy says...

Yes, we clearly disagree about independent voters' responsibilities. That's fine. Just know that when you assign blame, many won't accept it.

Yes, I also hope current poll numbers and trends reverse....unless Sanders IS the nominee, in which case I hope current poll numbers remain the same.

What? What argument? Instead of answering? I discussed your two suggestions, and offered two of my own, one being (I think) a more palatable alternative to your tax proposal for steadying markets, the other being campaign reform. To quote myself...
"Tax on investment transactions...you've GOT to be kidding, she'll never consider any such thing, it goes against her own, and her donors interests. A speed limit on trading info so everyone has an equal chance would work better.
The one you didn't mention is the MOST important in my eyes, and also a non starter from her or them....campaign reform...both finance AND how elections operate from districts to electronic voting machines and everything in between."
Is that an argument? It certainly wasn't meant as one.
It was meant as simple and fairly civil (if slightly snarky) answers to your question (answers that I guess you missed), with a note that IMO, my (and likely your) preferred planks are not going to be addressed acceptably by Clinton, and clear reasons why I think that. That was not meant to start an argument, I'm sorry you take it that way.

bareboards2 said:

@newtboy

We'll have to agree to disagree about your responsibility for not stopping Trump from being elected. A lot of words there, a whole bunch. But what is true is -- if people, all sorts of people, don't go to the polls in November to stop him, then Trump has a good chance of being President the way it looks currently. That is just a simple fact, and all the words you type don't change that simple fact.

I do have hopes that his lead will disappear. Sarah Palin started out strong, too. Surely the moderates will save us and we won't need the independents who are so upset.

And lastly -- I asked a simple and civil question -- what planks would you like to see in the platform. Instead of answering, that too was turned into an argument.

So I have come to the end for me.

Feel free to have the last word. I'm content with that.

Thanks for engaging with me.

John Oliver: Primaries and Caucuses

newtboy says...

No, I don't think I said that. Again, it would be nice, but if she locks it up (not counting super delegates) then Bernie's run as a Democrat is over, as is all hope. I don't hold onto even a shred of hope that he'll sway her policy, no matter what he gets her to say during the election.
She's already been incredibly inconsistent on the minimum wage thing, actually taking 3 positions in one sentence in one debate. Can't trust her.
Tax on investment transactions...you've GOT to be kidding, she'll never consider any such thing, it goes against her own, and her donors interests.
A speed limit on trading info so everyone has an equal chance would work better.
The one you didn't mention is the MOST important in my eyes, and also a non starter from her or them....campaign reform...both finance AND how elections operate from districts to electronic voting machines and everything in between. Without that, we'll never get candidates that will work for us OR fix the system that supports them, or even be able to trust our elections. As I see it, Sanders is our one and only hope of fixing the system, so the only hope of saving the union.

bareboards2 said:

^
What gave the impression that you think Hillary should drop out is because you are calling for a "debate" at the convention EVEN IF she has it locked up.....

California Election Fraud-NPP Voters Get Provisional Ballot

newtboy says...

OK...first, keep in mind this is the PRIMARY, not the election. Rules are designed by the individual parties.
In CA, for Democrats, it's an open primary, meaning Democrats and non affiliated voters may vote in the Democratic primary. Many primaries are closed, meaning only people registered in the specific party may vote in it's primary...I think the Republicans do that in Ca.
In many cases, if there's a question about someone being allowed to vote in a primary, usually in closed primaries, like all the people that had registered Democrat but had been re-registered as Republican or Independent in NY were still allowed to vote, but only on 'provisional' ballots. In this way, they fulfil the legal requirements of allowing them to vote, but still find a way to never count that vote, skewing the results...in this election skewing them for Clinton in every case, independents are not voting for her.
Provisional ballots exist so they can 1)have a way to allow people to vote when there's a question about them being 'properly registered', fulfilling their legal obligation and 2)so they can discard those votes if they wish. It is insane to me that they only have to allow the voter to vote, but are not required to ever COUNT that vote....a vote isn't a vote unless it's counted.

Yes, our system is totally broken. It was already seriously damaged, then electronic voting and Citizens United happened and the entire system is now an untrustworthy cash and carry commercial system paid for and controlled by <40 people.
At least that's how I understand it.

Sagemind said:

Can someone explain this to us?

In Canada we walk up, are handed a paper ballot, we go behind a cardboard screen, strike an X in the preferred vote box with a pencil, pass it back to the person running the table, who puts it into the Ballot box in front of us, and then we walk out.

If I'm understanding what she's saying, you need to register how you're going to vote before you vote??
-Why would people be given different Ballot sheets to vote on? -Why do you need to be registered with one party or another to get to vote?
-Why would people who are not registered with a party, get a completely different type of voter sheet?
-Why would A Provisional Ballot exist?
-Why would Provisional Ballots never get counted?

None of this makes sense to me.
WTH is going on with US Democracy system? - which seems to be the least democratic system I've ever seen.

Answers...?

Evidence Of Election Fraud?

Evidence Of Election Fraud?

Evidence Of Election Fraud?

newtboy says...

That day SHOULD have been back in 2000.
It was pretty clear by then that the electronic voting methods we chose were terrible and easily manipulated....not that it mattered that time since the Supreme Court chose the president instead of voters that year. Still, that election should have been a giant red flag to everyone that our process is completely broken, but now 16 years later we've done nothing to fix it, and so we get the election process we deserve I suppose. Too bad that what we really deserve is to be wiped off the planet, but hey, it is what it is, and we get what we get.

Mordhaus said:

The day is coming when we might actually have to have the UN certify we have fair elections.

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