>> ^Jesus_Freak:
^JoeDirt
Your arguments were impressive, but fell well short of what I was hoping for.
First: Your main answer to my "gotcha" question was that we don't know and what I'm looking for is probably unknowable. I appreciate the primer on current scientific theory, but I was indulging in skipping to the end. I'm sure there will be mind blowing theories and constructs out there before I die, but I guarantee you NONE will be able to explain what "force" brought the earliest point of origin into being. The whole "we're experiencing an infinite repetitive loop" doesn't get you there. Something had to make this little sandbox our universe is spinning in.
Second: You did manage to provide me one answer I was looking for. By your own words, there is a lot we don't know on the basis of science alone, and what we do know is subject to revision and update. Given that, I don't see how any legitimate self-respecting scientist could adamantly conclude that there is no God. Where is the concrete evidence for that conclusion? In this day and age, I see SCIENCE = RELIGION in its own right. I've encountered religious nuts in your corner way further out on a limb than I am with my dusty old Bible.

Evidence based conclusions. As long as no one can conclude that there is a god, the evidence shows that there is no god.

To everyone else. Can you honestly take in the astounding sights, sounds, and wonders of the world around us and not at least consider the possibility that this was not all the result of ridiculously improbable chaos? The order and certainty, which I thank Science for demonstrating, in the laws of physics and gravity...you can honestly say "gee, neat that it all just came together like that?" Our planet alone would have had to have been to result of 10,000,000 lottery odds occurrences all happening in concert. Nothing was behind that?
You science guys have far more faith than I!


That's just a damn lie. Scientists have NO FAITH. Chances have nothing to do with how the universe is put together. If I roll a million dice in a row, I will get a certain order of 1-6; what are the chances of getting exactly that result? 1.000.000^6 (or is it 6^1.000.000?) in any case, astronomical, but nonetheless I got the result I did. You cannot retroactively apply a theoretical chance. The chance that I did get what I did is 100% because I did get it.

It came together the way it did, because it did. Anthropic principle covers it.

Bmacs27: I'll get back to you when I'm not as drunk as now, but for now I recommend Daniel Dennett's book Consciousness Explained.

^JoeDirt

Your arguments were impressive, but fell well short of what I was hoping for.

First: Your main answer to my "gotcha" question was that we don't know and what I'm looking for is probably unknowable. I appreciate the primer on current scientific theory, but I was indulging in skipping to the end. I'm sure there will be mind blowing theories and constructs out there before I die, but I guarantee you NONE will be able to explain what "force" brought the earliest point of origin into being. The whole "we're experiencing an infinite repetitive loop" doesn't get you there. Something had to make this little sandbox our universe is spinning in.

Second: You did manage to provide me one answer I was looking for. By your own words, there is a lot we don't know on the basis of science alone, and what we do know is subject to revision and update. Given that, I don't see how any legitimate self-respecting scientist could adamantly conclude that there is no God. Where is the concrete evidence for that conclusion? In this day and age, I see SCIENCE = RELIGION in its own right. I've encountered religious nuts in your corner way further out on a limb than I am with my dusty old Bible.

To everyone else. Can you honestly take in the astounding sights, sounds, and wonders of the world around us and not at least consider the possibility that this was not all the result of ridiculously improbable chaos? The order and certainty, which I thank Science for demonstrating, in the laws of physics and gravity...you can honestly say "gee, neat that it all just came together like that?" Our planet alone would have had to have been to result of 10,000,000 lottery odds occurrences all happening in concert. Nothing was behind that?

You science guys have far more faith than I!

it just dawned on me that some of you are old and may not understand what theyre saying. heres their accurate description of how awesome it is to be from texas:

Humidity doesn't bother me
Neither does the pouring rain
Cause 5 minutes later it's better or worse
But it never stays the same

It's hot and it's dusty
My armpits are musty
and my cowboy hat is soaked
A man on a three wheeled bike
sets me up with a 50 cent snow cone

At a quarter to two eatin' Mexican food
Free chips and beans and rice
SMILE WHEN YOU SAY TEXAS
And everything will be alright

We've got Willie Nelson
And Serial Killers
And King Of The Hill
And the moonshine distillers
And Texas is the only place to have killed
The president in his car
Heavy laws for petty crimes
Paying off probation fees
A system designed to fuck you up
That's why our prisons are our
fastest growing indusrty (fuck the system)

In 1980 John Travolta
Filmed Urban Cowboy here
Lookin' for love in all the wrong places
And drinking Gilley's beer

In the basement of the Alamo
We've got Pee Wee Hermans Bike

FUCK YA'LL WE'RE FROM TEXAS
Where the stars are big and bright
All night
Yee-Haw

It does, but I believe it will be "Dick" (or perhaps "Rick") and "Dusty".

The Wii is our only dusty console. I still cant believe how popular they were/?are?

Rugged like rwanda, don't wind up far or get chopped up
Quick to rush the spot like baby urine get mopped up
Tags that spray your hall with rap aerosol
Organized graffiti lectures in can control
Or level with the devil racing uptown first to fort apache
I'm much too much for any demon style to master me
From the thought's next bridge to the hell's gate, lyrically detonating
Sparking m-80's and bottle rockets it's a nigga chaser
Downtown graffiti deface a heroin debaser
Open up your eyes and clean out your nature
Wide open like the grand canyon
Emcees couldn't hang if they was lynched by the grand dragon
Searching for my style like job-corps
Coming home on work release shoplifting at the rap store
But sabotaging me ain't easy
I'm crooked like nathan wick starring as cochese
With a big baseball bat you get robbed like deniro
A sandwich still ain't nothing but a hero
Just a small sample of the abstract
When the rhyme gets crazy hot and lyrics don't know how to act
Whether shooting joints or wax
I go all out and attack crabs and herbs that's crazy wack
We all can't be pimps, and we all can't rap
You got to get your dollars on cause it's on like that
Here's what I want you to do
Niggas with the green axe and burgundy forerunner, inhuman like blade runner
When I'm rhyming all summer just listen to the drummer
Transistor blister feedback freak the impeders
Funk flow we expose frequencies in sequence
Napalm gets dropped long range like fiber optics
Check the rhyme activity your skills is microscopic
Peace to my crew and my nigga el-p
Who's here to spark it causing all these crabs to flee

Check it and I inflict it quattro nine fifty lungs misty
Color me maxmillian cause I'm that crazy robot
Teetering on the edge of outer space
Spitting buckshots till black holes surround me, you found me
As far as I'm concerned I've got your ashes in an urn
Big up, the temperamental hold none barred kid
What's your confunction? tracks is type dusty
Drinking water out the well of life and i'ma piss it back rusty
Flesh and phonics, you're God damned right
I'm on 'em like aeorta pacemakers hooked up to clappers
Clap off (*clap clap*) welcome to my free-form jubilee, look at me
The witness to the shit you wanna be
Dba lyrical p known as a simp and I'm a sycophant
Feeding on fats passed and dipped
In and out of my invisible state
Forerunner rep tyrannical
Wrecks like tecs bust mechanical
Rusty goner weasel painting beats on an easel
Shoot a head up, what bitch you're boxing shadows
Look out my way you pull your breath out to battle
Breaking your double helix, and now the shit is single
Not mono, I burn the needle out your vinyl
El-p the third gunner on the grassy knoll
Stroll, keep the seventh seal of heaven in my pocket
You're faggot like sprockets, motherfuck the houston rockets
I'm so sick of recycled metaphors
Bet but I'd fuck laura ingalls only when she's done with her chores
Got rappers tip toeing on a highway to heaven
Got manners like bruce banner when he's stressed
I'm sick of your corny beats and your crowd-involved hooks
Cause I'm a thinker
Evil anus letting off stinkers

Bj eight steps to perfection
The sum of each part forms an octagon
Let rhyme styles get sparked

Ep eight stpes to perfection
The sum of each part forms an octagon
Where rhyme styles get sparked

The holy terror, last moves you never won't win
Playing taps on a violin
You can never comprehend the rhyme origin
I rate one like a chinese, jamaicin like a chin
Hot rocking corduroy, ballys that's so fitted
Niggas came and assed out my tracks and left 'em shitted
Fuck the movement, lubricate the smooth shit
Just to letcha know, never do I use it
Strictly the blueprint for the ghetto music in my cipher
Shorty the sniper jeep like cherokee
When I take aim handling wall to wall emcees
Mr. madman attract lyrics like magnets
They fuck up speaking cavernous when I'm stabbing it
Like the juice, then go bronco busting loose
That's my word, you couldn't shoot or try to compute the math
To kick any type sport like the vandal
I manhandle, emcees get murdered like tennessa
Or trapped in the bedroom with the texas chain saw
Massacre one two three you're taking and tell 'em
Eastwick underground new york be the dwelling
I keep telling 'em the state of the mind be the mentals
If you murder up in the ghetto you murder in a temple

Ahh, thanks.

In reply to this comment by youdiejoe:
>> ^Shepppard:
The first vid is pretty epic, and the kid made me laugh.
However, DUST YOUR FLOORS MAN! DUUUUUUST! FLOOOOOOORS!
Also, what's the song in the first video?


Yeah...The roomba that you see in the video has not been running this week, hence the dusty floors. The song in that video is Peter Gabriel - The Drop from the album UP.

>> ^Shepppard:
The first vid is pretty epic, and the kid made me laugh.
However, DUST YOUR FLOORS MAN! DUUUUUUST! FLOOOOOOORS!
Also, what's the song in the first video?


Yeah...The roomba that you see in the video has not been running this week, hence the dusty floors. The song in that video is Peter Gabriel - The Drop from the album UP.

>> ^HadouKen24:
>> ^kceaton1:
I think I have this one down, from that college class I was at. If I remember correctly she was a Ignarus Secuutus Sarcalogos Non Morbus. Typical response from that species.
This type has a regularity of singing really bad music so consider yourself warned.


I suspect you meant ignara secuuta sarcalogou inmortui.
cough
retreats to his dusty piles of books


Naw, I'm just being sarcastic.

>> ^kceaton1:
I think I have this one down, from that college class I was at. If I remember correctly she was a Ignarus Secuutus Sarcalogos Non Morbus. Typical response from that species.
This type has a regularity of singing really bad music so consider yourself warned.



I suspect you meant ignara secuuta sarcalogou inmortui.

* cough *

* retreats to his dusty piles of books *

dystopianfuturetoday,

If it is true that you and blankfist have had many many discussions over and over as you say, why is it you still fail to even understand the basic framework surrounding his position?

I'll quote Mises as his "dusty, aged, cold-war tome" is once again, relevant:

"Thus Marxism protects itself against all unwel-
come criticism. The enemy is not refuted: enough to unmask him as
a bourgeois.' Marxism criticizes the achievements of all those who
think otherwise by representing them as the venal servants of the
bourgeoisie. Marx and Engels never tried to rehte their opponents
with argument. They insulted, ridiculed, derided, slandered, and
traduced them, and in the use of these methods their followers are
not less expert. Their polemic is directed never against the argument
of the opponent, but always against his person."

I imagine you are going to try to deflect that by mocking the usage of the term Marxist, so I have included this as well:

"I hope that these remarks will convince even the cursory and
superficial reader that my investigation and criticisms do not apply
solely to Marxian Socialism. As, however, all socialistic movements
have been strongly stimulated by Marxism I devote more space to
Mamian views than to those of other varieties of Socialism."

"Opposition in principle to Socialism there is none. Today no influential party would dare openly to advocate Private Property in the Means of Production. The word "Capitalism" expresses, for our age, the sum of all evil. Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas. In seeking to combat Socialism from the standpoint of their special class interest these opponents—the parties which particularly call themselves "bourgeois" or "peasant"—admit indirectly the validity of all the essentials of socialist thought. For if it is only possible to argue against the socialist programme that it endangers the particular interests of one part of humanity, one has really affirmed Socialism. If one complains that the system of economic and social organization which is based on private property in the means of production does not sufficiently consider the interests of the community, that it serves only the purposes of single strata, and that it limits productivity; and if therefore one demands with the supporters of the various "social-political" and "social-reform" movements, state interference in all fields of economic life, then one has fundamentally accepted the principle of the socialist programme. Or again, if one can only argue against socialism that the imperfections of human nature make its realization impossible, or that it is inexpedient under existing economic conditions to proceed at once to socialization, then one merely confesses that one has capitulated to socialist ideas. The nationalist, too, affirms socialism, and objects only to its Internationalism. He wishes to combine Socialism with the ideas of Imperialism and the struggle against foreign nations. He is a national, not an international socialist; but he, also, approves of the essential principles of Socialism. [2]

The supporters of Socialism therefore are not confined to the Bolshevists and their friends outside Russia or to the members of the numerous socialist parties: all are socialists who consider the socialistic order of society economically and ethically superior to that based on private ownership of the means of production, even though they may try for one reason or another to make a temporary or permanent compromise between their socialistic ideal and the particular interests which they believe themselves to represent. If we define Socialism as broadly as this we see that the great majority of people are with Socialism today. Those who confess to the principles of Liberalism and who see the only possible form of economic society in an order based on private ownership of the means of production are few indeed."

Love the new tearful intro, imstellar. Always cast yourself as the victim when people don't agree. How dare we not fully appreciate this dusty, aged, cold-war tome, what hath lain dormant through 60 years of unprecedented economic activity.

You've nothing to apologize for and to be honest you killed the video for the wrong reason, because yours was actually simply a dupe - http://catsanddogs.videosift.com/video/Kenny-Glenn-the-Cat-Abuser-on-local-news (got 22 votes).

If other users downvote, it's their right to do so, and there's a negative value discard limit for that. I hate to say it (cause I've said it couple of times too many) but burdturgler was in the wrong here, demanding that you kill it (http://catsanddogs.videosift.com/video/Dusty-The-Cat-Abused-on-YouTube#comment-695924).

Furthermore, I had missed the first post and it was your submission that informed me about this case of animal abuse. I'm sorry you were made to feel as if it was your fault (it wasn't), and I'm sorry you had to say sorry like this. You most certainly don't have to apologize for this.

Damn, it's dusty in here.

>> ^EDD:
>> ^blankfist:
I can't bring myself to watch animal abuse. It sickens me.

Hypocrite.


I meant animals with cute faces.