>> ^jamessurvivalguide:
>> Farhad2000 -
I understand what you are getting at. However, this observation of yours, that I fear is shared by others, still does not address the issue of what to do when we suspect that a very bad man/woman may be in possession of vital information that could halt the catastrophic loss of lives. I take it on common sense that it's possible to beat someone until they want to confess to overthrowing the Ming Dynasty, whatever that means, but I also know in as much as it's possible to know anything, that if you have a sadistic monster who won't budge his mouth, a sure fire way to get him to open up is to kick him in his ( ) insert your own expletive. But that's just my opinion.


You think torture saves lives? What about the soldiers who are sent out in response to the "confessions" of these detainees. How many soldiers died because some torturer believed he had uncovered the location of Bin Laden, only to have the intel lead to an Al Qaeda controlled area with no Bin Laden in sight? Even if some confessions are true, people die because torture gets false information.

Torture kills.

>> Farhad2000 -
I understand what you are getting at. However, this observation of yours, that I fear is shared by others, still does not address the issue of what to do when we suspect that a very bad man/woman may be in possession of vital information that could halt the catastrophic loss of lives. I take it on common sense that it's possible to beat someone until they want to confess to overthrowing the Ming Dynasty, whatever that means, but I also know in as much as it's possible to know anything, that if you have a sadistic monster who won't budge his mouth, a sure fire way to get him to open up is to kick him in his (***) insert your own expletive. But that's just my opinion.

A lot of niggaz stepped up to the bad man
Chest bucked out with your head wide open
Hopin, to spot, a chip in this frame
I lived and died by the burnin flame
of the OK Corral, Cowboy style
From the Quarters on down to Colorado's
Big niggaz from uptown, ridin into Tahoe's
Saloon settin, kids is walkin round
drinkin whiskey and scotch, strictly out of shotglasses
Lookin screwfaced at the next nigga who passes
There's women in garter belts and ciggarettes
And on the side there's the price game
Niggaz is playin the price game
Indian Red, was bangin niggaz in the head
With his man Apache Joe, they take your money off the floor
They side-bettin for a better, they makin cheddar
That tribal shit is work ya sound the wompom drums
Cause my Indian man'sll break your great dick, UHH
Walk in the New York terrority
On the back of a tree, there's a picture of me
It says I'm lawless, flawless, a hustler plus gun rustler
Wanted in Carolina, for sellin some of New York's finer
Marshal Cooper say he want me, Marshal Cooper gotta get me
Marshal Cooper say beat me, Marshal Cooper better wet me
I gather alla y'all, all of my trusted men
All of my baddest niggaz, niggaz that's quickest with the triggers
There's distrubin news on the wire
That my dome piece is done sent to piece out for hire
I ain't goin down over no money exchange
You late for say I, who reigns as King of the Range?
In this land of wildness
Yo you better pack your vest
In the streets there's nothin but crime
So you best to watch your behind...
Meanwhile saloon settin is back to full swing
Bar's gettin money people doin they thing
There's strictly Boss Players with this kid named Minnesota
As women start to fill up, turn the notch on the grill up
And add mo' stakes to the house banks for gamblers
Half-pipes to scramblers, and free for Wild Cowboys
You never bring decoys if you wanna make real nouse
The bigger the stick, the bigger the fire
I never hit a man in the back, a coward acts like that
Lay out my black hat cause I feel like the bad man
Who on the rise, the D's to Manhattan
Let's walk the thirty paces on the Now Rule races
Oh it's the Marshal Cooper, and I love how he doin this
Women sayin don't get hurt, and I ain't plannin on it
Ten steps taken as I hit the blam factor
His dick to act up, was death the benefactor
Leave him twitchin in the dirt like Cousin Harold from the Menace
I'm in this to win this on the great wide trail
I'm ten times as bad as John Wayne, could ever be
Plus I'm down with the Indian, and need high to get the shit again
I'm responsible for that body in the alley
I'll Louisiana Purchase that ass with with Remi's spurs
and hard shots of Tequila, where the dancin girls
Let's get right as the story unfurls
Piano man keep playin, keep them keys bangin
Single man get three graves there's gonna be a hangin
Now this right here ain't for the youth to see
A grown man assed out swingin from a tree
In this land of wildness
Yo you better pack your vest
In the streets there's nothin but crime
So you best to watch your behind
Joe Tex was the biggest hombre from the projects
Had all the work locked down, so he thought
But he drank and got loose lipped, let a lot of news slip
Stripped of his game and got his self murdered
Thoughts of him are passin like the buffalo
Got his self rocked in the ninety-six brand new Acura
Niggaz said it was lightning BLAOW blew out the back mirror
Hah, youknowhatI'msayin? Dig, check it out
They say that Cowboys never die they just ride off into the sun
A little tale from Sadat X of how the WORLD was won
Check it out, remember this
Gun-slingers, dead-ringers with presidents
Is found tied with no explanation of how they died
Yo the great Sadat X, the High Plains Drifter
No question
In this land of wildness
Yo you better pack a vest
In the streets there's nothin but crime
So you best to watch your behind

Do you think there was a movement of people that promoted the heliocentric view of our solar system? Other than the scientists that were involved, no, not really. Strangely enough, religion hindered the progress of that idea. Then people became more educated and woke up and questioning religion became more commonplace. Then religion got "smart" and found new ways of warping reality by sweeping their old world views that we now know are false under the carpet. People got dumb with the capitalization of higher education (or education in general) and here we are...wondering when people are going to grow up, mentally.

People really believe in a magic man in the sky, not in the clouds anymore, though. Because people have been on airplanes. And they believe in a very bad, bad man with all the bad people under the Earth. I don't know if that means in China or the core of the Earth, or maybe longitudinally in Antarctica. But now people say maybe these things exist in "different dimensions". An idea brought to us by scientific hypothesis. The same hypotheses that lead to the theory of evolution, the theory that they deny. None of it makes sense.

I feel for you really badly man, as sad as it is, a soul-moving piece of music will get a tenth the votes of a video of a cat being cute.

That said, if it's not rock'n'roll, videogames, or eia, I won't even see it more often than not. Those are my hangouts.

sorry, lovelynotes, your "rejected" video has been killed. Although it is an awesome video, it's just been sifted before, nothing personal. You'll be happy to know the votes are being tallied onto the original so you've at least helped that video obtain more votes. If you need any help with anything, feel free to ask myself or any one of our friendly members. Stay away from blankfist though, he's a bad bad man...er...shemale.

LOL! "You're a very bad man!"

This is a serious concern... what if your videoplayer accidentally changes to play Dr. Dolittle where eddie murphy is eating a hot dog.. things could go really bad, man!

>> ^thinker247:
Hold on a second! What happens if I'm thinking that Arianna is gagging on my cock, and suddenly I look down at this machine, and it reminds me more of some dude named Jaden? I don't swing that way, machine-makers! I don't appreciate your gay belt sander pretending to be a woman who is losing oxygen on my penis! I AM NOT EDDIE MURPHY!

One day when I was ridin' on the train I seen these two kids talkin'
about the Nubian reign had fallen.
I didn't say nothin' cuz these kids caught my goat,
even wore my coat like a murder that they wrote.
So this kid with mouth swagger 'n I'll blaze the cloak and dagger
so I gotta show Dukes the macho lot that I am.
I can rock a jam, make the world drop ham,
oh yes, I'm the bad man, and bad men wear black.
And if it comes to droppin' bombs, yo, I'm with that.
Though I can freak, fly, floow, fuck up a faggot.
Don't understand their ways I ain't down with gays.
You wanna grab the style that was made from my mom and my dad,
when I was young I used to run with a notepad.
Then dimes knew and somehow I knew that I was bad to the bone...
black prodigy since the age of twen-ty.
I could write a rhyme, rip it up and write a next one,
right on the spot, sign my name with a dot.
Diamond D threw me some smooth shit, Bronx crowd roar.
Stick up your wack jam, everybody hit the floor.
Okay it's you, Slim, the hard rock of the pack,
don't wanna kneel to the brothers, you must be holin'.
Bust some shit in his chest, now his whole body's swollen.
Why did I have to do it? He asked for it.
His man saw it, so it don't mean shit to me.
He's gone, that's how it's supposed to be....check it out now.
I ain't goin' out, man that short shit is dead,
have you heard what I said? If not, ask the dread.
He got a can and that's bad...similar to the one that I got from my own dad.

Your punk ass'll be grass quick fast like my name was flash
when a nigga try and rob me for my cash.
You thought you had a sweet vic, a nice pick,
but you didn't anticipate that I might be sick.
Now who's the trick, cuz I'm not a up. (No, no-no-no!)
I always do the fuckin', just might do the buckin'.
I leave my Nikes stuck in your rectum, till you learn
Brand Nubian, yo, you gotta respect 'em.
Dissect 'em, yo, our word is bond regardless.
To my what, and do the Puma strut.
So step the fuck off, before I punch you in your face,
with the mothafuckin' bass!
Then you're gonna taste blood in your mouth, it's gonna flood south
to the ground, and you're gonna know I don't fuck around.
So if you think you had two soft newjacks,
we're gonna have to off you with a few cracks
to the jaw and you won't pop that shit no more.
Explainin' to your friends why you're layin' on the floor.
Did you want some more? I didn't think so.
Just got whipped like a faggot in the clink, so
I suggest you take your bloody mess and find a piece of wire,
fix your broken jaw, then it's time to retire.
Lord Jamar will live long, cuz I give strong blows the heads of my foes.
Dread flows, gives me power as it grows.
Watch how rass-cladda you catch the speed knot,
heed not, and hell will be your home,
Lord Jamar, Sadat, as we swell your dome.

>> ^Farhad2000:
I don't need to ask anyone, I live in Kuwait. People are still sour at Iraqis and Saddam and are still pressing for the new Iraqi regime to honor all post 1991 debts.
But to say that people wanted the removal of Saddam Hussein due to some altruistic feelings is simply false when looking at these issues on a international level. The secular wedge of Iraq divided the Sunni and Shia worlds of Saudi Arabia and Iran, and threatened them at the same time something neither liked but something that was used to great affect by the Americans to secure beneficial trade and oil agreements and massive weapon sales.
Iran didn't start the war, it was Iraq who needed something to unite the people for after the prolong political cleansing that Saddam inflicted on the government.
Hussein Khomeini is in league with the fallen Shah government that was installed in a CIA backed coup, the religious regime that came in was no better then the Shah. But I would not give any voice to someone who is sympathetic to the neoconservative cause.
Yes he was a bad bad man, but to say that the American invasion and removal by force is the best way to deal with such instances is just lunacy.



Here is what I actually said:

"shoot people in their own homes and cities..."
Do you really mean to make it sound like civilians are the intended targets?

"in a preemptive global police action"
Removing a dictator that committed genocide against his own people, annexed a neighboring sovereign country and failed at annexing a second is pre-emptive?

"instigated for monetary purposes"
Really? Even after this video and the well documented down turn the American economy is going through? Are you sure?

"If China or Russia came over here and did the same to us..."
Oh yeah, let's go really far out into left field. Let's pretend that the insurgence in Iraq is fighting to reinstate the toppled Baathist regime. Let's ignore that the true liberation army of Iraq, the Peshmerga army of Iraqi-Kurdistan, is fighting alongside American troops. Let's even pretend that American citizens are just as unhappy with their government as Iraqi's were with Saddam. That's an insult to every man, woman and child now buried in the mass graves of Northern Iraq.


I never suggested what the 'best' way was. I just stated that the current situation in Iraq, as bad as it is, isn't as bad as the genocide that Saddam was continually pursuing. More over, one can hardly look at pre-war Iraq under Saddam and say that some kind of collapse and ensuing civil war wasn't already on the way. You can't say that the factionalism that the American's have blundered into worsening, wasn't being fed even worse by Saddam's heavy handed oppression of all Kurdish and Shiite people.

More importantly, the main point I was addressing is the notion that the video speaks of, the cost to American tax payers of the war. It is pretty ridiculous to suggest that the Iraq war could have been anticipated to be good for the USA's economy by anybody, and so talk of a war based on American greed is just hyperbole. The only benefit to America of removing Saddam is the same enjoyed by many other countries the world over, one less dictator encouraging war, genocide and division. Pretending the disaster that is the current state of Iraq wasn't well in the works since even before the first Gulf War is extraordinarily dishonest(though that lie was pushed the most by Bush/Cheney pre-War)

I don't need to ask anyone, I live in Kuwait. People are still sour at Iraqis and Saddam and are still pressing for the new Iraqi regime to honor all post 1991 debts.

But to say that people wanted the removal of Saddam Hussein due to some altruistic feelings is simply false when looking at these issues on a international level. The secular wedge of Iraq divided the Sunni and Shia worlds of Saudi Arabia and Iran, and threatened them at the same time something neither liked but something that was used to great affect by the Americans to secure beneficial trade and oil agreements and massive weapon sales.

Iran didn't start the war, it was Iraq who needed something to unite the people for after the prolong political cleansing that Saddam inflicted on the government.

Hussein Khomeini is in league with the fallen Shah government that was installed in a CIA backed coup, the religious regime that came in was no better then the Shah. But I would not give any voice to someone who is sympathetic to the neoconservative cause.

Yes he was a bad bad man, but to say that the American invasion and removal by force is the best way to deal with such instances is just lunacy.

Zonbie you are a bad man! upvote.

That said, history will remember Saddam for the good he did as well as the bad. Infrastructure, child literacy, secularisation, women's rights, healthcare and economic growth.

This is a guy who was essentially a warlord, but an incredibly progressive one.


I'm sorry, but no. You attribute secularisation to Saddam's credit, but I don't think many call brutal repression of religious freedoms a positive. Listing child literacy and women's rights just astounds me. I needn't point out the wonderful benefits that were enjoyed by women and children unfortunate enough to be Kurds. If Infrastructure and economic improvements are enough to redeem a monster, then Hitler did them even better than Saddam.

Saddam wasn't a progressive warlord. He was a cruel, warmongering dictator progressively becoming worse and worse. The number of reining dictators in the world who can be said to have used chemical weapons on their own people to commit genocide, and who had sufficient military strength to successfully annex a sovereign UN member is a short one. Saddam era Iraq was described by Iraqis as "a mass concentration camp above ground and a mass grave beneath".

To say Saddam was 'a really bad man, but' is to completely misunderstand the situation. The context of calling his actions brutal is not that he would have those opposing him executed. It isn't even forcing their loved ones to watch. It is forcing them to not only watch, but applaud the execution of their loved ones that dared oppose him. It's with extremely good reason that Hitchen's strong anti-war stance was radically altered by his visits to Iraq to actually speak with the people there.

Too bad you didn't record it. Blankfist would have been proud to post it.

In reply to this comment by schmawy:
Oh my God, I'm such a bad man. I just pissed on a bunny.

Seriously, I'm working late and stepped out for a smoke, and decided to save some time and relieve myself in the pachysandra. The little guy came running out shaking his head like a dog that just got out of the swimming pool.

Oh my God, I'm such a bad man. I just pissed on a bunny.

Seriously, I'm working late and stepped out for a smoke, and decided to save some time and relieve myself in the pachysandra. The little guy came running out shaking his head like a dog that just got out of the swimming pool.