So a flag pops up as a reward for their performance?

I call animal cruelty!!

Animal cruelty!

Allow me to demonstrate your bias in this situation.

Q: if instead of bacon, what if they had 800 studies showing that, say, carrots cause cancer. Would you be arguing about the stats, or would you stop eating carrots?

I'm pretty sure you'd stop eating carrots. But because you enjoy bacon so much, it's having a impact on your reasoning. That is your bias.


I can prove this further by asking you what it would take to make you give up bacon. And I'm quite sure you would say nothing. Perhaps short of some instant effect, I know you would never stop eating it, no matter strong the evidence. In fact many people don't. They rather go blind and hav their legs amputated from preventable diabetes than give up their instant comfort foods. They are so biased they lose their own limbs, and still refuse to accept the reality.

You also you like to claim that me being vegan makes me biased. But the truth is that the Science made me vegan. And not the other way around. The reduction of animal cruelty is just a bonus.

Eating Vegan does NOT equate to eating healthy as this video of a bunch of "Doctors" would have you believe. People who push being vegan do it for animal welfare above all else, NOT for your health as they often pretend to care about. Go ask your doctor what the best thing you can do dietarily to becoming healthy. I'll bet you the first thing they say is cut out sugar (processed foods) and eat more fruits and vegetables. ALL of my doctors have, and i have a few

I assume Vegans find more success going on about your health and the environment now, as the animal cruelty aspect isn't tapping into as many people as they would like. That would be my guess when i see videos like this.

(edit) also "The Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicines" tax filing shows its activities as "prevention of cruelty to animals." Nothing about human health. Just saying. https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.irs&ein=521394893

There is a huge Vegan debate on which is trying to balance the health benefits, and animal cruelty with the right to chose and to continue eating what we know and were brought up with.

This video is not here to debate so much as air both sides equally.
People will always make their own choice despite any evidence thrown at them. We're on the first couple steps on a tall ladder - that;'s all

The warplane is designed to kill, but who is it killing - is it killing an evil dictator in order to save innocents? It might be on a peace keeping mission to discourage any killing. If it the warplane is killing only people who would otherwise be killing the innocent, then it's a tool used for good, it's saving more lives than it's taking, and more importantly it's saving lives that are more important to maintaining a civilized society.
I'd even say that it would be less moral to not build the warplane and let innocents die through inaction, when the consequences are well known.

Even further down the chain, killing isn't inherently bad, there are plenty justifiable reasons to kill someone.

It's the same with veganism -making choices which are less harmful, not necessarily perfect.


Non smokers are definitely way better people than smokers. Especially given that 2nd and even 3rd hand smoke causes cancer. Even if smoking only harmed the smoker, it's still a strange idea to be harming yourself. Perhaps they lack the appreciation of how lucky they are to be alive. I mean the odds of being born are like winning the lotto, let alone being born healthy, being born in this day and age, in a civilized country, being born to the dominate species, being born on the only planet that seems to have developed life. Some people have rough starts to life, but harming themselves isn't going to make it better, just shorter.


I agree that everyone is capable of making good moral stances, you've obviously drawn the line somewhere (otherwise you'd be going all Genghis Khan on everyone). But where the line is drawn is tends to be influenced a lot by misleading information and lack of information. And that makes it very hard to make logically sound choices. It's even harder when in order to understand the real impact means having to watch footage of animal cruelty. Most people find it confronting and uncomfortable at best, so it's easier to put it away, not think about it and continue consuming.

I know most people are moral, but if they don't act on it, it doesn't mean much to the puppies being strayed in the eyes with chemicals, or to the piglets being slammed into the concrete floor for the crime of being born male.


Regardless of how you categorize it, analyze it, or philosophize it, this always remains true: Animals feel and respond to pain, they will do their best to avoid suffering, and they have a will to live.

I'm not quite sure what is"vegan food" but from experience if you give yourself two to three weeks to adjust to a plant based diet you will do yourself a world of good and salads taste amazing after you make the adjustment.

Personally i base my eating habits on my personal health and thus believe a plant based diet is the best way to go (as personal experience has shown me)

However i eat meat these days cuz its what's prepared around the house. However im in poorer health since (cholesterol shot through the roof and i gained back a ton of weight i had lost) ive went from plant based to animal products and more processed foods.

For me diet is all about my health. A friend said the vegans he knows have the worst most unhealthy diets hes ever seen.

I guess being vegan is all about "animal cruelty". I had been under the delusion it was about ones personal health.

Here is the thing, for it's time, the original Vacation was incredibly crude. Same for European Vacation and so on.

I mean think about it, in the original they were tagged by people in the ghetto, clark was continually trying to flirt and almost cheat on his wife, animal cruelty by tying the dog to the car and driving off, turning the aunt's body to the car and then dropping her off like a UPS package, and it culminated with a terrorist attack by clark on the security guard of wally world.

I hate to break it to you, but if you grew up during that time period, the movie was damn crude and damn funny. This, if it is done correctly is going to be hilarious as well. I figuratively laughed my ass off when I saw the Ferrari driver get creamed.

It looks like an animal cruelty to me.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/09/david-clapson-benefit-sanctions-death-government-policies

The coroner said that when David Clapson died he had no food in his stomach. Clapson’s benefits had been stopped as a result of missing one meeting at the jobcentre. He was diabetic, and without the £71.70 a week from his jobseeker’s allowance he couldn’t afford to eat or put credit on his electricity card to keep the fridge where he kept his insulin working. Three weeks later Clapson died from diabetic ketoacidosis, caused by a severe lack of insulin. A pile of CVs was found next to his body.

Video doesn't mention that he was actually stopped for animal cruelty, because folks saw him hit his horse.

The bit about going in and out of traffic seems normal, since, if you're riding down the street with parked cars along the side, you're gonna have to go in and out of traffic.

Interesting that riding drunk would even be on the law books.

-scheherazade

Eh... bordering on animal cruelty there.

What's the difference between a pile of dead babies and a porche? I don't have a porche in my garage.

Who was the greatest jewish cook? Hitler.

How do you make a chicken roll? Kick it down a hill.

Why couldn't Helen Keller drive a car? Because she was a woman.

4 jokes, each with a punchline of violence or sexism in some way, shape or form. A Holocaust joke, a sexist joke, a dead baby joke, and an animal cruelty joke. All 4 of those are still things that exist "Now". There's still victims of the Holocaust, miscarriages and murdered children happen all the time, and people still kick chickens, and women driving jokes have been around since, well, women started driving.

It's NOT because of the joke that people do these things, it doesn't perpetuate it, it doesn't do anything to alleviate the levity of the issue, and yet we still consider these okay. However, there's apparently ONE thing that is not okay, only because it could possibly make light of the situation. Everything is okay, or nothing is. Dead Children is bad, Animal Cruelty is bad, Sexism is bad, Rape, just as bad as any of those.

Sure, everything is all cute and funny, then you find your cat's lungs stuck in your vacuum filter. That's really hard to clean out, what with your girlfriend shrieking at you and threatening to call the SPCA and the cops. Then PETA sends out its topless death squad to hunt you down and while you're staring at their tits, they beat you to within an inch of your life with vegan pepperoni loaves. Then you find out that due to your upcoming animal-cruelty charges, your HMO has dropped you and you now face $100,000+ in hospital fees. All because your cat is funny.

...or so I've heard.

"You told me you don't believe in animal cruelty!"

'I don't!'

"Lies! You just shaved that beaver clean!"