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Deus Ex Human Revolution Fan Film

ChaosEngine says...

Damn, beat me by .... ok 18 hours is pretty long.

Anyway, that was very well made.

*promote transhumanism

Color Blind Artist hears Colors

Jinx says...

Seems to be you can't really add senses without infringing upon our already existing ones. In his case he uses some of his hearing "bandwidth" to perceive colour. Maybe one day we'll be able to wire in completely new senses, but I don't imagine that will be soon.

Tbh, I consider us all to be psuedo-cyborgs because of our phone apps not in spite of them. We are all almost always connected with a wealth of utilities at our finger tips, some of which you could say broaden our senses. Do we need to implant microchips in our brain when carrying a device that fits in your hand is just that much more convenient - and you can opt out at any time. I think we are heading to headsupdisplays and truly hands-free interfacing. Does that make it more of a part of us than it is already? I'm not so sure tbh. Whats the advantage of putting it under your skin when it'll still be piggybacking off existing senses?

Anyway, transhumanism is fascinating. I hope we survive long enough.

Deus Ex: The Eyeborg Documentary

Trancecoach says...

Surprised that this guy wasn't featured in the piece!

The "medical ethics" they refer to at the end of the piece is not that much different than cosmetic surgery (which might even include limb lengthening).

Also wondering why there was no mention of this documentary which came out a few years ago and is all about transhumanism.

Doctor Refuses to Treat Obama Voters

gwiz665 says...

>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^KnivesOut:
To be clear, are you "pro" or "anti" uplifted-transhuman-extraterriestrial-mmoaddicted-cyborg-animals?
Just want to know where you and I stand...

I think they shouldn't be subjected to discrimination. I suppose that makes me "pro" uplifted-transhuman-extraterrestrial-mmoaddicted-cyborg-animal rights.
Mostly though I'd wanna talk to 'em, because I think they'd have a rather unusual point of view on a lot of topics.
Like, should you spec your Death Knight Blood, or Unholy for the best raid DPS?


Unholy!

*adjusts tail-implant*

Doctor Refuses to Treat Obama Voters

NetRunner says...

>> ^KnivesOut:

To be clear, are you "pro" or "anti" uplifted-transhuman-extraterriestrial-mmoaddicted-cyborg-animals?
Just want to know where you and I stand...


I think they shouldn't be subjected to discrimination. I suppose that makes me "pro" uplifted-transhuman-extraterrestrial-mmoaddicted-cyborg-animal rights.

Mostly though I'd wanna talk to 'em, because I think they'd have a rather unusual point of view on a lot of topics.

Like, should you spec your Death Knight Blood, or Unholy for the best raid DPS?

Doctor Refuses to Treat Obama Voters

KnivesOut says...

To be clear, are you "pro" or "anti" uplifted-transhuman-extraterriestrial-mmoaddicted-cyborg-animals?

Just want to know where you and I stand...
>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^gwiz665:
Is a doctor a business or not? Can he deny his business or not?

Suppose the sign said "Whites only" or "Gay people seek treatment elsewhere" or "Muslims not welcome", would it be okay?
That said, it's probably legal, because we tend to make discrimination laws based on enumerated protected classes (e.g. race and religion), and I doubt political discrimination is on the list, because there haven't really been issues with it.
Personally, I think discrimination laws should reverse the default, and say that you don't discriminate, except for a specific list of enumerated exceptions. Would kinda keep us from having to do a new civil rights movement to protect strange new varieties of humans as they emerge (e.g. genetically modified humans, clones, cyborgs, MMO addicts, AI's, extraterrestrials, uplifted animals, transhumans, etc.).

Doctor Refuses to Treat Obama Voters

NetRunner says...

>> ^gwiz665:

Is a doctor a business or not? Can he deny his business or not?


Suppose the sign said "Whites only" or "Gay people seek treatment elsewhere" or "Muslims not welcome", would it be okay?

That said, it's probably legal, because we tend to make discrimination laws based on enumerated protected classes (e.g. race and religion), and I doubt political discrimination is on the list, because there haven't really been issues with it.

Personally, I think discrimination laws should reverse the default, and say that you don't discriminate, except for a specific list of enumerated exceptions. Would kinda keep us from having to do a new civil rights movement to protect strange new varieties of humans as they emerge (e.g. genetically modified humans, clones, cyborgs, MMO addicts, AI's, extraterrestrials, uplifted animals, transhumans, etc.).

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What is Transhumanism and why do Christians Not Like It?

honkeytonk73 says...

I support transhuman, transgender, gay and lesbian rights!

Can transhuman's marry? Are they granted the same rights of humans? Do they get to vote? Can they work and provide shared medical benefits for other transhumans living on the same hard disk?

Cardinal Cormac Murphy O'Connor: Atheists 'not fully human'

braindonut says...

As an atheist, I can understand his argument. (Not necessarily agree with it, but understand) Take out the concept of HIS god being the one to believe in and what it seems he is saying is that to hold only an appreciation of the literal and finite, provable/observable mechanisms in the world around us, is to abandon an appreciation for that which can not be observed. For example, the appreciation of experience itself - experience being something that can not be completely accounted for. He places a high value on that which can not be proven, and apparently associates the appreciation of that which can not be proven or observed as a significant part of the human experience. For example, the idea of creativity and imagination are other aspects of unobservable (potentially) phenomenon that well all place a lot of value in.

The discussion of this idea has nothing to do with god and can sometimes be misused as an excuse for belief in a god... but the argument that there is something intrinsically valuable in things that can not be observed or proven, is an interesting idea.

Personally, I always come back to the ideas only being valuable in so far as how they affect your perceptions and behavior. There's nothing intrinsically valuable at all, and, fundamentally, none of it matters. Especially since we all engage in appreciation of the unprovable so extremely often, there's really no genuine argument that anyone does otherwise. For example, we all like to theorize and imagine possibilities of how the universe began...

Anyway, I'm rambling. Yes, there can be value in believing in something that you can't prove. There is value in the idea of "transcendance" - I mean, we get things like transhumanism out of it. Arguing about whether or not it is part of the human experience is utterly moot. And arguing that atheists lack in these types of experiences is also moot, imo.

What is Transhumanism and why do Christians Not Like It?

What is Transhumanism and why do Christians Not Like It?

Psychologic says...

>> ^Lodurr:
>> ^chilaxe:
they don't want to be the only ones in society who don't have a 500 IQ.

That's kind of infuriating to me because there's enough quality of life inequity because of poverty and the lopsided distribution of wealth, and if we go this route it will get many times worse. And IQ is not wisdom, so don't expect the "haves" of the future to be more enlightened than they are now.



It isn't something to get upset about. If I had access to a calculator and the internet then I could ace just about any IQ test in existence. That doesn't mean I have the innate abilities of Einstein, but if I were using today's tech on an IQ test then I'm pretty sure I could score better than he could without it.

Tech will certainly progress from there, but in a sense we are already on the edge of being transhuman. It sounds foreign when people speak about what may happen multiple decades from now, but it would have sounded the same if you had described today's tech 30 years ago. It would have sounded like a huge leap, but in reality it happened little by little, in a fairly natural progression.

What is Transhumanism and why do Christians Not Like It?

What is Transhumanism and why do Christians Not Like It?

What is Transhumanism and why do Christians Not Like It?

poolcleaner says...

>> ^Lodurr:
>> ^chilaxe:
they don't want to be the only ones in society who don't have a 500 IQ.

That's kind of infuriating to me because there's enough quality of life inequity because of poverty and the lopsided distribution of wealth, and if we go this route it will get many times worse. And IQ is not wisdom, so don't expect the "haves" of the future to be more enlightened than they are now.


William Gibson, man. Neuromancer tells this story. This conversation reminded me of that book.



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