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Palestinian UN Ambassador At UN

newtboy says...

Edit: I misunderstood …. When you flee to somewhere you aren’t welcome, you invaded. That’s not characterization, it’s definition. If my home isn’t safe so I force my way into yours, I invaded your home…even if my friend down the street said it was ok.
It’s not a legitimate motive to invade a foreign country and murder, subjugate, and ghettoize its inhabitants because you aren’t safe where you live. There is no legitimate motive for those actions.

I think you take great liberty deciding the “Arab narrative”. That may be the Hamas narrative, it’s not the Palestinian’s history, and I think few claim it is. At first they were and acted like refugees, welcomed by Arab natives, some of which were Jews themselves, then shortly after began exponentially increasing immigration to overpower the natives, coming armed. They had no right to take by force food, shelter, and safety from those who had offered it to a much smaller portion of needy Jews…they in fact had an obligation to do the exact opposite and minimize their impact on their TEMPORARY HOSTS, and ensure their benefactors didn’t suffer for their generosity. This was not even a fleeting thought for the invaders.

The violent Zionists were intentionally courted and invited then supported and encouraged by those you say were “getting along”, so your point is misguided.

That native population was displaced by a concerted effort to forcibly immigrate en masse and seize control. The natives eventually balked, but too late and the overwhelming masses of armed violent Jewish invaders took over.

I’m in a camp that doesn’t give a shit about religion, they’re all idiotic nonsense, but believes in law and order, and invading people seizing control by force and dehumanizing the natives is not a thing I’m prepared to gloss over or erase with one sided details. I don’t gloss over my own country’s inhumane origins of genocidal racism against our natives, and I support any measure that returns anything they’ve been stripped of.

I’m also in a camp that doesn’t think it’s ok to murder and rape Peter to pay Paul for Patrick’s bill. The Palestinians bear zero responsibility for Jews treatment in Europe. None.

I’m also in a camp that believes “refugee” means you are a guest until you can return home, not a new citizen with more rights than natives.

The European Jews there are invaders acting terribly unreasonably, they’re very Trumpian in their actions, any slight against them is an excuse to go full bore Hitler against those kids with rocks.

I don’t “just declare invasion”. It was an invasion.
Foreign people came unwanted and illegally into the country and took over by force. That’s called an invasion in English by most definitions, and an invasion it was.
The forceful invaders are ALWAYS the bad guys, the oppressors are ALWAYS the bad guys, the expansionists are ALWAYS the bad guys. That describes all the Israeli people. They are the bad guys, whether they intended to be or not.

bcglorf said:

"Who the fuck cares what the reason they wanted to invadeflee was?"

Characterization matters a little here, no?

"They had a right to refugee status there, not to take control and possession by force"

Which is at the heart of things.

The Arab narrative is that Jews arrived guns loaded and set about pillaging, killing and invading as soon as they had sufficient numbers, while the poor domestic Arab population had only been trying to assist and welcome in the refugees...

Which is ahistorical propaganda.

The reality is that for the most part, the European Jews arriving in Palestine were refugees and acting like refugees. Meaning they mostly just wanted to be able to provide food, shelter and safety for the families, just like everyone else. Most of them tried to set about doing this by legally purchasing land.

Lots of the local Arabs similarly were content to get along.

At that same time though, there were hardcore Zionists among the Jewish arrivals AND there were xenophobic elements willing to use violence within the Arab population too.

The tensions rose as the populations rose, but largely as a result of a large people being displaced, and NOT as the planned invasion you describe. The local Arab population started to band together to refuse to work, trade or sell to Jews. Violence broke out instigated separately on smallish scales by BOTH sides. Escalating violence followed, again back and forth between sides.

I'm in a camp that has a hard time blaming either the domestic Arab population for distress at the huge influx of refugees, nor for the European Jewish people having a low tolerance for discrimination and violence directed there way solely for being Jewish.

I see it as a huge mess, but with two large populations of Jewish and Arab people in Palestine acting not terribly unreasonably under circumstances of extreme pressure.

I think it's lazy and convenient to just declare 'invasion' so that you can simplify it all down to right/wrong and good guy/bad guy....

Special Prosecutor Jack Smith on Donald Trump indictments

newtboy says...

Lol….who cares what disgraced, sanctioned, up for disbarment, Epstein friend and child fucker (Giuffre) Dershowitz says?
He’s proven himself a complete fraud willing to make any claim or accusations in the last 4 years…that or he has complete full blown dementia. He’s a loser…one in the parade of losers…not worth 30 seconds, forget 30 minutes. Get real.

Whatever he said, I’ll bet $ to $ he’s misdirecting at best, more likely totally lying. The case isn’t about Trump’s right to free speech any more than arresting a mobster that set up a hit would be…he only spoke, others did the crimes. Derp…doesn’t work that way sucker.

P.S.-
101 Republican Township Supervisor Robert Holland pleaded guilty to sexually assaulting a 92-year-old nursing home resident in 2006. He was given a two-to-four-year sentence.

102 Antigay pastor Leonard Ray Owens told a woman who had miscarriage she was possessed by a sex spirit and lesbian demon so he raped her.
103 GOP State Rep & House Minority Leader Galen Fox convicted of molesting a woman who was a flight with him from Honolulu to Los Angeles

104 Albert Andre Zimmerman, a GOP-appointed spokesperson for the State of Florida Department of Children and Families, producing child porn. See also The Wrong Voice

105 The Republican Mayor of Collins Missouri, and Pastor of the Temple Lot Church in Collins, Allen D. Kauffman caught in internet sting by an adult pretending to be 13

106 Dana Rorabacher's aide Jeffrey Nielson, sex with underage boys

107 SD State GOP Rep Ted Klaudt: rape, sexual exploitation of a minor, witness tampering, stalking. Five victims, three foster children who lived with Klaudt.

108 Elyria Ohio city councilman, Republican Joseph Monteleone Jr. was found guilty of fondling underage girls

109 GOP County Commissioner Patrick Lee McGuire child molestation

110 Republican Mayor Jeffrey Kyle Randall was sentenced nine months in jail and six years on probation on charges that he molested two boys

111 Republican Judge Donald Thompson from Oklahoma, was found guilty on four counts of indecent exposure after using a penis pump while presiding over court cases.

112 Ohio GOP Caucus lawyer Stephen Linne - "Naked Photographer" a moniker suggesting his snapping pics of women in the nude was harmless. It was not

113 OP Sheriff candidate Eddie Frankum indicted for sexual harassment and illegally detaining women while police chief.

114 GOP campaign volunteer and national convention delegate Ted Bundy - kidnapping, rape, murder

115 Gun activist Cody Wilson - child sexual assault

116 Christian Television Network entertainer Ronald William Brown convicted for child porn, the rest is just too disturbing to go into

117 GOP state Senate aide Alan Berlin - internet child sex. I don't care about him being a furry. I know a few furries who are lovely people, including one of my nephews. They are not pedophiles and the headline is offensive.

118 Trump White House aide Rob Porter - domestic violence

119 Roger Ailes, Republican propagandist, sexual harassment

120 Jason Miller, Trump campaign staffer and Trump advocate on CNN - poisoned ex with abortion pill It's not the sex, it's not the desire for abortion, it's the doing it against her will

121 GOP megadonor Steve Wynn - sexual harassment

122 Former Republican Michael Cohen used threats and money to silence women and reporters who could expose sexual predator

123 GOP Sen Patrick Meehan - sexual harassment

124 GOP Congressman Blake Farenthold - sexual harassment

125 Former Republican WY Sec of State Ed Murray - sexual assault

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Today’s MAGA terrorist - Patrick McCaughey. Convicted on 9 counts of assaulting police with deadly weapons, including trying to crush one to death using a riot shield and the force of the crowd, pulling off his gas mask and gouging his eyeball out with his thumb.
Should have been charged with a minimum of two counts of attempted murder of a police officer and gotten double death penalty, but is facing 16.5 years.

Today’s bonus MAGA corruption…Pubic hair Thomas’s lame excuse, that he’s known the Nazi Crow for 25 years and accepted hospitality from an old friend (who he met 5+ years after becoming a justice when Crow started showering him and his wife with extravagant “gifts” (with strings attached) and asking for favorable rulings), and that he asked his colleagues and they said (wrongly) that he doesn’t have to report “gifts” from “friends”, even million dollar gifts from “friends” of his position on the court, not his person…that’s an admission that ALL the Righty justices are in cahoots with this bribery scheme and are definitely also on the take. They instructed him on how to take the bribes and hide them. He really exposed the total illegitimacy these unqualified far right “judges” brought to the court and the destruction and death their cash bribe motivated rulings have been.

Today’s MAGA hypocrisy- N Dakota Republicans just cancelled free school lunches for poor children whose parents make $4.86 an hour (minimum wage for servers) saying the pennyless parents need to pay, followed immediately by increasing the amount legislators (themselves) get for free lunches to $45 per day (more than poor people earn with full time employment) because food is expensive.

Since you are Russian I’m guessing you know “Pravda” (“Truth” in Russian) the Russian propaganda publication is the model for Truth social (Toth Senchal), the MAGA social media Pravda.

“I Hate You Guys” by Cartman

newtboy says...

Watch out for Skuzzlebutt….he’s got a Patrick Duffy for a leg and he’ll weave you into a basket if you aren’t careful! I’m super cereal.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Today’s MAGgot election fraud…
Kari Lake fined by judge for filing knowingly false, specious cases based on lies and misrepresentations with no evidence whatsoever in her efforts to erode trust in the election process she lost. Specifically called out for making up stories of her and her staff’s difficulty voting themselves when reality is those that even voted had no issues.
(Hilarious that the right, that loved to say it’s not a problem that poor voters often have to wait hours on end to vote, absolutely lost their shit so badly they claim they just walked off unable to vote when a few had to wait 30 minutes in line….calling that not being allowed to vote. Poor little snowflakes….eat a bag of dicks.)

As a bonus, Washington DC Federal Judge Beryl Howell who presides over the criminal grand jury investigating Trump’s January 6 related criminal conduct has rejected Trump’s executive privilege claim and has ordered Trump’s former top White House lawyers Pat Cippilone and Patrick Philbin to testify about their discussions with Trump. No executive privilege because he’s not the executive, no attorney client privilege because they were planning treasonous sedition, a crime. “Annoyed grunt”

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

bobknight33 says...

The story is a start. Elections were messed with and should be looked into. This story indicated such.


The N Carolina Republican in 2016 was my district and he fucked up and punished.

All cheaters should be banned from any government job for life.


Former Democrat Charlotte mayor Patrick Cannon who spent time in prison for bribery to run for city council now that he out of jail. This is just wrong.
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Do you want an honest election or not?
Voter ID and voting in person for able body persons is a good start.

newtboy said:

It might be, if there was any evidence whatsoever of these claims….but….

“Based on our research, we rate MISSING CONTEXT the claim that people were paid $10 per ballot in Georgia’s November 2020 election because it is misleading and unproven. This assertion from Trump is based on a complaint about ballot harvesting, which has prompted an investigation by the Georgia’s Secretary of State office. True the Vote has not identified the witness who claims he was paid, and the group is not alleging that the ballots themselves were fraudulent. Georgia investigators previously looked into a similar allegation and said there was not enough evidence to justify an investigation. “

Despite no more evidence, Georgia is claiming to investigate this unsubstantiated anonymous claim again as of January ….good luck, doesn’t seem to be going anywhere, another baseless hypothetical claim.

One partisan “trump won” group claimed one alleged anonymous person made the unsubstantiated claim they were paid to “harvest ballots” back in 2021 but the investigation went no where because there was no evidence, no claimant, no proof of payment, not even a suggestion that any ballots were tampered with.

Very unlike the same schemes by N Carolina Republicans in 2016 who did collect open/unsealed ballots and admitted to filling them out for Republicans in any race the voter had not voted in….but you don’t want to hear about more proven voter fraud, you want to talk about unproven hypothetical voter fraud.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-north-carolina/north-carolina-republican-operative-charged-in-election-fraud-scheme-idUSKCN1QG2FS

Republicans do want, actually need election fraud. Fraudulently denying legitimate voters their vote is a kind of voter fraud, and is definitely part of the right wing playbook, Trump once admitted Republicans would never win another election if every citizen over 18 voted. Republicans, not Democrats or Independents, keep getting found guilty of it, over and over and over and over and over and over……and over and over and over. Sometimes massive schemes like the one above….or the president actually saying on television that his voters should vote twice, once by mail and again in person and see if they’re caught.

If you think no one wants election fraud, you need to look again.

Why you can't compare Covid-19 vaccines

ant says...

Got my first dose from Moderna on green St. Patrick's Day. Dang, it gave me a hang over the next day with pain, swollen light red shot area, and tiredness though. I was doing OK until hump day's night. I couldn't sleep well and much too. No fever, vomits, rashes, etc. though. My daily all day allergies actually calmed down for over a day. I'm not looking forward to #2 next month after #1. No J&J since it was very hard to get due to its manufacturing problems from what I read online. I am not going to wait until next month for it.

eric3579 said:

I'm just super happy i'm getting my shot in a couple days I'll happily take whatever they are handing out.

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SONG IN THE KEY OF X - The X-Files

BSR says...

Damn! What happened to Robert Patrick? Please tell me he is in costume for another film. Good to see Michael McKean back from the dead after Better Call Saul.

Dr Rhonda Patrick on the Benefits of Vitamin D re Covid-19

Dr Rhonda Patrick on the Benefits of Vitamin D re Covid-19

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