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bobknight33 (Member Profile)

newtboy says...

Trump has argued that he was never an officer of the United States to the Supreme Court. He says he wasn’t the president.
In 1982, Nixon v Fitzgerald, the court established that the president IS an officer of the United States, specifically the Chief Constitutional Officer of the Executive Branch, so if he wasn’t an officer, he wasn’t president. Apparently Habba doesn’t know how to google, much less how to research case law or she would have known. Fail #1

They also argue he didn’t personally engage in insurrection (he did, the election denial was an insurrection, all the fake electors were an insurrection, trying to invalidate millions of votes was an insurrection, trying to “find” enough votes to steal states he had lost is an insurrection, sending thousands to the Capitol to physically “stop the steal” was an insurrection) but they have completely ignored the “or given aid or comfort” part of the clause because he has absolutely given mountains of aid and comfort to those convicted of seditious insurrection by raising money for their defense, defending them publicly, calling them patriotic heroes, creating a song he sold for their benefit, and promising them pardons, so they have no defense to having given aid and comfort to insurrectionists along with most MAGA congresspeople. Prepare for their expulsion after Trump loses. Fail #2

Since he claims he was never an officer, so not really president, his immunity claims don’t even need to be litigated, only the actual president, highest OFICER in the American government AND the American military has any immunity and he says that was never him…and it’s only severely qualified immunity, not 100% total complete omnibus immunity…otherwise Biden/Harris would simply have Trump’s plane secretly shot down and claim total immunity….duh. Fail #3

Thanks Habba! Worst lawyer in American history trying some of the most important cases, and putting on invalid defenses she hasn’t thought through and in many cases completely forgetting to put on any defense at all. She’s the best lawyer in America that will stoop to defending Trump, and is guaranteeing he loses every case!

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newtboy says...

Blew your cover in the first word, comrade. Any American knows the phrase is WIDELY reported, not wildly. 🤦‍♂️

“Stalled”!?! Nice way to say “refused, lied, hid, and fought tooth and nail to keep as his own property to sell and trade as he saw fit”. He didn’t stall, he STOLE. Once again your 3rd year english failed you, comrade.

No surprise, you don’t understand the importance of Trump PERSONALLY going through the boxes and selecting stolen top secret classified documents to keep and hide from the upcoming warranted search he knew was coming (remember, the warrant was presented well before the search giving Trump time to hide stolen classified state secrets) apparently it’s ON VIDEO! It destroys his claim he didn’t know he had them, and it was his subordinates fault they weren’t returned….his best, but a failed defense.

I absolutely see a problem with nearly every president/vp even senators having some classified documents at home…Pence too…, even the low level semi-classified documents Biden had and turned over voluntarily the moment they were discovered, not only searching and finding them, but allowing the FBI to search without a warrant in case there were others (there weren’t)….that’s an issue that should be addressed immediately to stop it from repeating, but that’s not obstruction or intentional theft (at least that’s not proven or even alleged by anyone who counts). There’s zero evidence to show Biden even knew he had them until asked to search, and absolutely no intent or effort to keep them illegally. Without knowledge and intent, there’s no crime.
Also, remember, you can’t indict a sitting president, Trump made certain of that forever…so any crimes you ascribe to Biden are moot, he’s immune from prosecution and could pardon himself (according to Trump). D’oh!

Guaranteed if you search all senators’ houses you’ll find >2\3 have classified documents at home. That needs to stop TODAY. I wish it was a priority for both parties and not JUST a weapon against their domestic enemies.

If you think what Biden and Pence did should be prosecuted and get them prison, you MUST agree Trump should get the firing squad because his crimes were definitely 100% intentional AND he actually tried to trade stolen classified high clearance state secrets including nuclear weapon secrets for information he wanted (and likely more we don’t have proof of).

Trump has now publicly admitted stealing the documents, holding the documents after their return was demanded, hiding them when searched for, lying about still having them under oath, claiming they were his personal property, admitted going through them after being subpoenaed, and has even admitted he did it because he thinks Nixon was PAID millions to return documents he had and Trump wants to be paid. That’s motive. He’s publicly making the case for the DOJ….and they had an airtight case already.

Trump intentionally stole the highest level of top secret documents never supposed to leave a secured facility, then he was officially asked for documents back, he refused, then they were subpoenaed and he both lied and hid them. But some myopic microscopicly minded people like you see Biden/Pence as a major criminal for an infraction but see nothing wrong with Trump intentionally repeatedly and blatantly flauting and ignoring the law.

That proves I care about the law and you don’t. It proves that you are willing to overlook any and every blatant Trump crime against America while exaggerating and overblowing any infraction by your political rivals.

This kind of attempted conflation proves you to be a foolish idiot. You don’t care about what’s a crime and what isn’t, you just want to scream red herrings in hopes that, somehow, someone else committing an infraction can protect Trump from the dozens and dozens of felony charges he’s facing and life in prison for the uncountable crimes against America and the rule of law he’s definitely guilty of.

I would love to see Trump lynched publicly. I’m not alone there.
He wanted to reinstate state lynching, he wanted his own VP publicly lynched for not stealing the presidency for Trump, turnabout is always fair play. Yes, I feel that way about people who attack America, democracy, truth and honesty, and civility. Dishonest malignant narcissistic terrorists should be lynched, but I’ll settle for life in solitary. That’s becoming more likely daily.

Arrested right now, so I know you need a few minutes to cry.

MTG wasn’t even there for him after she fled her own rally in terror from the peaceful anti Trump throngs she accused of violent assault by “making noise” (hilariously the whistles she was whining about were actually Trump SUPPORTERS handing out whistles to make noise FOR Trump) to flee to Maralago where only multi millionaires can enter so she’ll be safe from the people.

Also, wrong “your” again, after being corrected yesterday. You really need to go back to English class, it’s undeniable you failed it.

bobknight33 said:

Wildly reported-- Trump stalled in turning over documents, Wow You got him.


On the other hand Biden had classified documents at his house that go back to when he was Senator -- 100% illegal -- But some closed minded person like you don't seem to care about that.

Just proves your not about equal justice just one sided justice.


Its this kind of stuff that makes you a total foolish idiot. You don't care about truth or justice -- just lynch Trump up - no matter what.

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JiggaJonson says...

How's that tesla stock?

Criminal charges incoming for the disgraced trumps- now to find my comment where I predicted he'd be Nixon 2.0


Good luck with your nazi biker hockey gear (armor) friends.

Some Big Moments From The Jan 6 Hearings So Far

luxintenebris says...

personally, some of the 'big' moments in the series were...

- his daughter saying Joe won (Upset Catsup lost)
- Lady Rudy & kin telling their stories (damn Catsup Tosser)
- the Murtaugh/Wolking email (proof positive of the negative)
- the 'unhinged' meeting (Stalin's death was less surreal)
-'call us if there's an oil spill' line (outlaw AG's is a GOP thing)*

...overall, the Orange Stain is thoroughly shown to be one of the worst humans to serve in the office.

really should be confined. w/mercy: to some mental facility. get some therapy so at least he could have a few days of actual life. w/vengance: solitaire. he'd break inside a week.


*Nixon, Reagan, Saucer Tosser

Biden Approval WTF

newtboy says...

And Trump, GW, Reagan, and Nixon. Only Bush SR wasn’t a disaster like the rest of Republican presidents in my lifetime, and he was no prize.

kir_mokum said:

you said he was the worst POTUS which is a ridiculous opinion considering buchanan, johnson, and harding existed.

Why I’m ALL-IN On Tesla Stock

newtboy says...

A German mark had value….until it didn’t. Your opinion of “fiat money” isn’t universal by any stretch. You say it’s universally better. I wholeheartedly disagree, and point to Germany and Venezuela as proof. They aren’t outliers either, (looking at Africa).

Gold is useful and valuable. Digital footprints aren’t. Paper notes aren’t. Printed circuits, connectors, anti oxidation, actual physical money, jewelry, etc. gold has intrinsic value, a dollar bill has about 13210 joules, so its intrinsic worth is about 1 small 1 gram stick as kindling and little more….no matter if it’s a $1 or $500 bill or a check for billions. Again, see Germany, where bills were more valuable as firewood than money.

This deflation idea again. Give me 3 examples of deflation harming/ending a nation on the gold standard please, I’ve never heard of it happening. (Edit: as far as I can find, I’m no economics professor, for the most part the gold standard was abandoned worldwide in the early 1930’s and the last remnants removed in the early 70’s by Nixon)

Explain how unsecured notes guard against speculation….don’t just claim it. I don’t see it, people made a mint short selling Venezuelan (and other failed) dollars….speculating they would crash….they did. What?

GDP is the metric that imparts value to unsecured notes offered by countries.

I think you had a mini stroke, the paragraph starting USofA is a word salad with no meaning.

Name 3. I named Germany post ww1….they didn’t get to borrow or ignore their debts. What are you talking about?

So, the only ones that don’t/can’t borrow are all the ones that need to.

Pretending basing your dollar on Bitcoin is the same as basing it on gold is outrageous idiotic bullshit. Just nonsense. Utterly moronic and pure fantasy. Don’t try moving the goalposts, that’s what you said.

Yes, the fed will take gold. They don’t take Bitcoin, do they? How about shells? Pebbles?

Jesus, you just want to argue. You’re rambling, switching positions and going off on tangents.
It’s not about whether someone might accept it, it’s about whether it’s universally accepted at one value and about holding its accepted long term value. People once gladly accepted beanie babies as payment….stupid people.
Arcata Ca printed up Arcata dollars….you could get them cheap, businesses took them. Wanna put your nest egg into them? You say that’s good money, as good as dollars. I’ll sell them to you for gold, and let’s see who’s doing better in 10 years. Or I’ll sell you pebbles for gold. Any currency you want, I’ll sell you for gold. How’s that working with pebbles or shells? Can you buy currency with them?

It has everything to do with how much it’s worth. Stop jumping subjects because your point is failing to convince. An economy based on pebbles fails because their neighbors don’t value pebbles, but if their pebbles are gold, they succeed because gold is valued universally.

What are you talking about, the gold standard’s ability to keep up? Huh?! No keep up necessary, no slow down required, gold trades exactly as fast as everything else. What is this nonsense?!?

You mean you can’t overspend and go deep into debt?! And that’s bad?! In your opinion, not many economists….and what makes you think you can’t borrow against gold? Secured loans are easier and cheaper to come by. WHAT?!?

Yes, unsecured paper money can just be printed forever, you CAN “sell the universe”. (Or sell dollars who’s overall value is based on your country’s value) over and over, then print more and sell 9/10 again, print more, sell again. Eventually that money is worth less than it costs to print, and your creditors get paid off in dollars worth a tiny fraction of what they lent you. Not if it’s backed with gold.

Miracle cure?!? Quote it. I think you misread. Secured notes being better than unsecured notes is not “miracle cure” or perfection, it’s just measurably better, safer, and more stable. No system is perfect.

vil said:

A dollar has value if you can buy shit for a dollar.

Gold likewise has no exchange value if you cant exchange it for goods and services. Its rare and chemically stable and good for memorial coins, has many technical uses and looks cute, but otherwise it hardly matters what symbol for money you choose. There is 200 years of experience with fiat money and gold and silver standards and fiat money has been better, not just usually better or better in some scenario, universally better.

Symbolic money is practical and facilitates quicker turn around prevents deflation makes speculative runs on currency harder and smoothes the economic bumps in the road in general.

GDP is just a metric. Not a bad one but not the actual goal.

USofA is teh most developed. Should have used growing. Deflation in an economy that is growing kills growth.

Restarting countries not only get to ignore their debts, they immediatelly start borrowing again.

The only countries that dont borrow are countries no-one will lend to and countries so rich in some silly resource they can float high in the international currency system without borrowing. Borrowing is good for bussiness.

What is outrageous idiotic bullshit? Believing pegging the value of your paper note to some hoarded luxury makes it a better representation of the mean value of goods and services bought and sold? I could do without gold except for the jacks on my audio cables (just kidding). It does not matter what I exchange for food and gas, if it gets me food and gas, its good money.

Money is what you can pay taxes with. Do they take gold?

If you insist your dollar has the value of some weight of gold how does that influence the willingness of someone else to sell you shit? Unless they specifically intend to buy gold at a fixed price they dont care. They are going to use your dolar to buy some other shit from someone else. So if you take the actual currency out of the equation, when you decide on buying and selling shit you are intuitively comparing that decision with all the other decisions about buying and sellin that you know of. The currency is just a good way to count the measure of usefullness of a product or service and compare among many. Pebbles, bottletops, dollars, gold, pearls, all just a number.

A dollar could be backed by gold or it could not, this has zero impact on the transactions made. What matters is how many transactions are made, at what value, and how much money is available to the entire marketplace in a given period of time. Transactions quickly pass the ability of a gold standard to keep up. If you want a gold standard you have to slow transactions down because you dont have the money for them.

This is why markets need some regulation, otherwise someone might sell the universe twice and then default on one. But a gold standard, at least the type of gold standard I believe was talked about in this thread as a miracle cure, would be too limiting.

Why I’m ALL-IN On Tesla Stock

newtboy says...

I certainly hope so, 0-.25% doesn’t cover administrative costs for basically free loans.
If they go slow, it shouldn’t stall….cool off a bit, sure. That’s acceptable.

Personally, I think it all became funny money when Nixon dropped the gold standard, and I would support returning to it, painful as it would be. At least the dollar would have some permanent fairly predictable value. (And the fed would be forced to stop printing more money to pay government debts, which causes inflation).

surfingyt said:

IMO they will raise rates. the economy will stall.

Let's talk about altering the Supreme Court....

newtboy says...

Democrats are denied even a hearing for even their centrist picks (Garland) outrageously unconstitutionally, then Republicans pick FAR RIGHT politicos to replace moderate leftist judges. That was new, never before seen in our history.
Sotomayor and Karen are centrists, dumb shit. Kavenaugh and Barrett are extremist far right wingers….Barrett is barely even a judge, rushed in by a lame duck traitorous seditionist and his lackeys, directly contradicting their own excuse for not hearing Obama’s nomination. They actually admitted they rammed her through as fast as possible with the barest minimum of examination in order to pack the court in anticipation of them contesting the election results….admitted it before the election.
Kavenaugh and Barrett are both extremist Far right wingers, political activist judges, who lied in their confirmation, one is a multiple rapist, never investigated, the other a religious extremist with zero experience who said she would recuse herself on any issue of faith, but hasn’t recused herself from any.
Throw down the gauntlet?! Opposition to his nomination centered on his perceived willingness to roll back the civil rights rulings of the Warren and Burger courts, and his role in the Saturday Night Massacre during the Watergate scandal. On October 23, 1987, the Senate rejected Robert Bork's nomination to the Supreme Court by a roll call vote of 42—58. Bork's margin of rejection by the Senate remains, by percentage, the third-largest on record and broke a 142-year record for largest defeat of a Supreme Court nomination. A historic immediate bipartisan rejection because he was totally unsuited, and had undeniably tried to help Nixon cover up Watergate as acting AG by firing the special prosecutor at Nixon’s direction (the AG and deputy AG had quit when Nixon insisted)….*.
Absolutely nothing similar to Obama being denied a hearing for his picks for a year until his term ended….*. Holy shit! What stupidity.

There are far fewer “conservatives” today, the Republican Party is 26% of the population, not a majority.

Yes, they are throwing cases to the packed court as fast as possible before their stolen majority evaporates. I support a 15 justice Supreme Court with a constitutional amendment halting any further additions without a 2/3 majority….add 6 hyper liberals…no judicial experience necessary or even preferred…AOC would be great.

Why bring a case you might lose? Because cases are supposed to be heard on their merits, not based on political affiliation you ignorant cow. You think the Supreme Court should be a political wing of the right, choosing and deciding cases based on political affiliation, not the law, science, common sense, ethics, or precedent….but only when it serves you.

So, gun rights should be up to states? That’s the next step if you win that fight…the constitution dies and states decide everything….as civil war erupts. Great plan, so patriotic. Remember, California is big enough that when they require fingerprint scanners on all guns sold in the state, manufacturers will add them to all guns….when semi auto guns are banned, manufacturers will move to single shot guns….just like auto manufacturers changed their cars to meet our requirements. Is that your plan? Had you even considered what individual states being in control means? It means California becomes the leader of America, controlling the other states by means of our size, wealth, and international clout. Enjoy.

Not like this, it hasn’t. Never in American history has the court been politicized and weaponized against the will of the majority to ignore precedent (contrary to their oaths and confirmation statements) in order to overturn established law and constitutional rights as a political act. Never.

bobknight33 said:

To say that Republicans are politicizing the supreme court is nonsense. Democrats pick left leaning and Republicans pick right leaning. This is not new. Where were your complaints of politicizing when Sotomayor or Kagen were appointed?

But if you want to go there it started with Senator Ted Kennedy within minutes of Bork being picked by POTUS Reagen to be appointed took to the floor of the senate and thrown down the gauntlet.


They may be lean more conservative today however Its been leaning left last 50 years.

The fact that cases are now before the court is because some conservatives feel there is a chance to have their cases win.

Why bring these case before the supreme court if you know you would have a high likely to loose. All the cost time and effort.


WRT to the abortion issue .If overturned it just means that the decision goes back to the states.


Overturning a previous opinions has occurred and will occur in the future .

What did Reagan think about the right to vote?

luxintenebris says...

I would say really.

As a man, president and his administration...
- ordered an attack on the Brookings Institution
- 13 of the 'president's men' jailed (2 were A.G.s)
- Agnew resigned after allegations of bribery* (as governor) led to a conviction on tax fraud.
- "Townhouse Operation" crime wave itself
- Associated Milk Producers Inc, IT&T...even the Checkers thing foreshadowed all the sketchy 'campaign donations'

...and the Vietnam peace talks affair was in the same league as Eric's dad's 1st impeachment charge ('tho not as president)...if pushed to support 'how bad was bad' remember Nixon put marijuana on the schedule one drug list, essentially to criminalize blacks, was a much much larger crime to humanity. emptied the penny jar and a twenty from the till, if you will.

But I get your point.

[Hardin administration was pretty awful too]


* something his former lawyer said he admitted went on "for a thousand years"

newtboy said:

Not really.
Nixon tried to cover up a crime he wasn’t actually involved in….dumb, criminal, immoral, and wholly unpresidential….but compared to Iran Contra, it’s like he took two pennies from the take a penny cup. Not even the same league.

What did Reagan think about the right to vote?

newtboy says...

Not really.
Nixon tried to cover up a crime he wasn’t actually involved in….dumb, criminal, immoral, and wholly unpresidential….but compared to Iran Contra, it’s like he took two pennies from the take a penny cup. Not even the same league.

noseeem said:

Although I'd agree that Reagan's administration was engrained with corruption, there is some serious competition from Nixon. *

Also just seems to be the nature of the Beast. Nixon, Reagan, Bush Jr., and Orange-U-Glad-I-Ain't-President. All involved with numerous scandals, corrupt Administrators, and some serious charges of being war criminals in the mix as well.

Almost unavoidable when Republicans come to power. As Rumsfeld noted, you go to war with the army you have.

*Tea Pot Dome Scandal in the 20th Century running also.

What did Reagan think about the right to vote?

noseeem jokingly says...

Although I'd agree that Reagan's administration was engrained with corruption, there is some serious competition from Nixon. *

Also just seems to be the nature of the Beast. Nixon, Reagan, Bush Jr., and Orange-U-Glad-I-Ain't-President. All involved with numerous scandals, corrupt Administrators, and some serious charges of being war criminals in the mix as well.

Almost unavoidable when Republicans come to power. As Rumsfeld noted, you go to war with the army you have.

*Tea Pot Dome Scandal in the 20th Century running also.

robdot said:

Reagan had the most corrupt administration in history . Only to be outdone by trump. Google it. He was also a senile old man who barely knew where he was. We made Star Wars,because he saw it in a movie. Even though everyone said it wouldn’t work,and it never has.

Golfing: Trump vs Biden.

luxintenebris jokingly says...

cheese-it does well w/the form he has. have seen him hit good shots while it looked like he was going to fall on his face.

but biased. rather have a good president/lousy golfer*, than a lousy president/lousy human. in all honesty, preferred Nixon's bowling over 'a good walk spoiled'.

*meaning joe. have to point this out to some🦜 ...well...'cause they don't know a birdie from a triple bogey.

bobknight33 (Member Profile)

StukaFox says...

Not only did he abolish it, but it was one of the highest priorities of the GOP once Reagan came in. Haynes Johnson writes extensively about this in his frighteningly-prescient book 'Sleepwalking Through History'. The GOP was already following the lead of Roger Ailes (later of Fox News) after he polished the turd named Nixon and the GOP understood if they controlled the narrative, they could stay in power. Newt Gingrich, and the shitshow that followed, was the natural extension of Ailes's methodology. Abolishing the Fairness Doctrine will be studied for centuries as one of the single greatest acts of self-destruction in world history.

JiggaJonson said:

Ronald Reagan's FCC abolished the Fairness Doctrine.

That's not democrats' fault.



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