@newtboy,

Who'd of thought our back and forth would wind up the civil portion of the thread?

On veracity, accuracy and demonstrable evidence please note I twice provided external links beyond my own day so. The last being to a thoroughly researched and documented account from Human Rights Watch. The only claimed verbatim quote I included was italicized to make clear what was quote versus a shorten in my own words summary. I included a link to the full document so anyone questioning my summary is very to call me out on specifics. Thus far the only in accuracy in aware of has been corrected. If you believe I'm in any other way mischaracterizing events as HRW documented it ask you to point it more specifically or failing that cease insisting that my account is anything less than very thoroughly backed by very well evidenced research.

By way of declaring lesser evils, I would ask you to be specific about worst ISIS has done that you feel so trumps the million dead of the Iran Iraq war and Saddam's multiple genocidal campaigns.

Lastly on ISIL, I don't think they are specifically the ones to stay up at night over anyways. Nouri Al-Maliki's credentials as a brutal thug are underestimated quite widely IMO and I very much expect the real nastiness will come from his crushing of Sunni Iraqis in the guise of stopping ISIL. Ugly times ahead, but I fear the guys your worried about are going to be taking it more than dishing it out, sadly leaving more Sunni Iraqi civilians dead than anyone else.

it looks like you posted your latest comment while I was still adding to mine, but it clearly shows you have no idea what a libertarian government even is. no wonder you disagree with it...you think its anarchy...

I think the issue is that there are a gazillion different 'flavours' of libertarianism, which, includes anarchists as it's most extreme end.

Look, the basic tennets of Libertarianism, are fine (let me do what I want as long as I don't hurt you, as long as you do the same for me).

However the issue is ALWAYS that people interpret these things in different ways. Some say 'well, you can't infringe on my right to not pay taxes, so f*ck off with that idea'... which if enough people did that well you'd run out of money to run the country.

Others take it to the point of saying they can do anything they like with their children, because it's their choice how they raise their children... except that can lead to the death of said children through lack of medical care etc.

Using statements like 'libertarian governments do this too' suggests that there actually are any... which there aren't are there? There are movements, but no in power governments anywhere.

I guess my aversion to it as a basic policy is due to the extremists in the midst, that it attracts the type of people who like to own x acres of land, man the borders with guns and tell everyone else to f*ck off and leave them be.

And, you know... creating mind numbingly boring and inane drivel like this animation and putting it up there as an introduction to libertarianism is doing no-one any favours. How about just stating the case in a thoughtful video or animation rather than starting down some past/present/future drivel and depicting ones 'self' as a snowflake or whatever it's trying to be.... urgh.