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Ron Paul Recites Revisionist History Before Confederate Flag

NetRunner says...

I can get behind that historian's way of describing it, and I agree with what you're saying about how the Civil War went down. I just disagree with your assessment of what Paul himself said -- he didn't just say "it's not the only issue" he later says "it wasn't the deciding issue" which is just...wrong.

The South seceded and fired the first shots because they wanted to keep their slaves so badly they'd rather leave the Union than give them up.

There was a confluence of other issues involved in the conflict, but "State's rights" was and always has been a euphemism for the bargain that was struck at the signing of the Constitution to let some states keep slavery, not some separate, lofty moral principle that has nothing to do with slavery.

>> ^Skeeve:

"While slavery and its various and multifaceted discontents were the primary cause of disunion, it was disunion itself that sparked the war." - Elizabeth R. Varon, Bruce Levine, Marc Egnal, and Michael Holt at a plenary session of the organization of American Historians, March 17, 2011.
Most historical works I have read about the American Civil War explain that, from the North's perspective, the war wasn't to end slavery, but to preserve the union. That said, the South's reason for seceding was based more heavily on protecting their right to have slaves.
As with all wars, there wasn't just one cause and, as much as I dislike Ron Paul, I have to agree with his statement that slavery wasn't the only reason for the Civil War.>> ^NetRunner:
>> ^Kreegath:
However, he does make his opinion clear that he doesn't think ending slavery was the deciding reason for the civil war, something that I've actually heard is a historically defensible position.

Heard from who?


Ron Paul Recites Revisionist History Before Confederate Flag

Skeeve says...

"While slavery and its various and multifaceted discontents were the primary cause of disunion, it was disunion itself that sparked the war." - Elizabeth R. Varon, Bruce Levine, Marc Egnal, and Michael Holt at a plenary session of the organization of American Historians, March 17, 2011.

Most historical works I have read about the American Civil War explain that, from the North's perspective, the war wasn't to end slavery, but to preserve the union. That said, the South's reason for seceding was based more heavily on protecting their right to have slaves.

As with all wars, there wasn't just one cause and, as much as I dislike Ron Paul, I have to agree with his statement that slavery wasn't the only reason for the Civil War.>> ^NetRunner:

>> ^Kreegath:
However, he does make his opinion clear that he doesn't think ending slavery was the deciding reason for the civil war, something that I've actually heard is a historically defensible position.

Heard from who?

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A harmless prank on the USC Student Body Vice President goes

Ryan Holt: Look At Me Being Serious

A harmless prank on the USC Student Body Vice President goes

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A harmless prank on the USC Student Body Vice President goes

jonny says...

I'm not sure if this is the same Ryan Holt. It kind of looks like him, and if it is him, I think it may explain everything:


A harmless prank on the USC Student Body Vice President goes

A harmless prank on the USC Student Body Vice President goes

darkrowan says...

Change is the universe's only true constant. All things a revolve or are measured by change. But change itself is measured over time.

Which brings me, obtusely, to a question: Has 3 years been long enough for Mr. Ryan Holt to remove that painfully barbed stick from his ass. No, really, that's what I think about this. There is a thing called 'Sense of Humor' that isn't taught but learned. It's a natural ability.

This dumbass, quite honestly, doesn't have one so far as I can see in the video. That was 3 years ago. The fact that he is now retroactively trying to erase the knowledge the internet has of this video leads me to believe he still doesn't.

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