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This is what happens when you don't respond to ATC

Ashenkase says...

"On Feb 20th 2017 Air Navigation Services Czech Republic reported, that the actual communication for the hand off from Bratislava to Prague at 15:53Z had been correct (frequency 132.890MHz transmitted and acknowledged), however, the crew subsequently tuned frequency 132.980MHz, the crew did not monitor the emergency frequency. Prague Center spotted another Jet Airways aircraft, flight 9W-122 from Delhi (India) to London Heathrow, flying under control of Rhein Control (Germany) south of the Czech Republic, via Rhein Control and 9W-122 an ACARS message was transmitted to 9W-118 asking them to contact (Prague Center) frequency 132.065MHz. When 9W-118 reported on that frequency at 16:26Z (loss of communication thus lasted for 33 minutes), the aircraft was already in German Airspace and was instructed to contact Rhein Control. Czech ATC immediately informed their military counterpart (Czech control and reporting center) that contact had been re-established."

https://www.aeroinside.com/item/9114/jet-airways-b773-near-cologne-on-feb-16th-2017-loss-of-communication-leads-to-intercept

The crew swapped some digits on channel handover that lead to a comms blackout of 33 minutes. Euro jets already in the air intercepted the passenger jet over Germany and escorted to England.

Those boys and girls don't mess around.

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4.5 hr flight from London to Sydney

Jinx says...

>> ^deathcow:

They must be talking about using space to get from Europe to Australia, as friction is a real bitch otherwise.

Possibly, although I think its somewhat more likely they'd just be flying at very high altitudes where the atmosphere is very thin.


From what I read on wiki it seems the engine is basically rocket/turbine hybrid. They use liquid hydrogen as fuel but instead of storing oxygen they suck it out of the air. The problem the cooling fixes seems to be related to supersonic airflow. Turbine engines need subsonic airflow to work properly so they use a ram, a cone on the front of the turbine, to slow the airflow before it enters the engine. This heats the air entering the engine up a lot, hot air takes up more space and so its difficult to get enough oxygen to the hydrogen fuel. Cooling the air after it passes over the ram lowers the air pressure and allows more air to pass through the engine. Scramjets approach this problem a different way in that they can operate with supersonic airflow, although they have the limitation of not working subsonic.

Anyway. Its quite fascinating. I don't think we'll be seeing commercial aircraft using this technology anytime soon though. I'd be pretty nervous about flying on something that is basically rocket powered. Space tourism maybe? If it can fly to high altitudes with the turbine and then switch seamlessly to using onboard oxygen it could be a much more efficient way of getting into space without using onboard oxygen the whole way up.

Oh, and RIP Concorde. I used to go to school under their flightpath out of Heathrow. 11am on Wednesdays they used to rattle the windows passing over.

Krupo (Member Profile)

bareboards2 says...

Actually, I am not that well travelled.

Deustchland? Is that Germany? I think I'll start.

What would it be like if we all did this? I love the idea.


In reply to this comment by Krupo:
>> ^bareboards2:

It's one of my biggest pet peeves, how folks from other countries don't pronounce a country's name the way the country does.
Cuba. Kooo-ba.
I was talking to a Cuban citizen in Heathrow Airport (I'm American) and when I asked where he was from he said, "Kooo-ba." Then did a mental shake, and said "Er, Cue-ba." I was shocked that my entire nation mispronounces his country's name, and he feels like he should CORRECT HIMSELF for my benefit.
This is wrong on so many levels, I can't hardly stand it.
It has been Kooo-ba ever since for me. And I listen carefully for other country's CORRECT NAME.
Ironically -- humorously -- the United States of America -- the United States -- can actually be translated into other languages, so I don't hold other country's to my own personal standard.
Have you ever heard a Southern say "Italian"? "Eye-talian." My father, with a Masters Degree in Engineering from MIT, say "Eye-talian." "High-why-yah."
My god.


So... you don't ever say Germany?

I agree that it's cool to say things in the "local" language, but a lot of the time you're basically pronouncing the country's name in English rather than in the local language. Like Polska vs Poland, Ukraine vs Україна etc :

Ryan Reynolds:"I'm a Horrible Driver".. but he is very funny

Krupo says...

>> ^bareboards2:

It's one of my biggest pet peeves, how folks from other countries don't pronounce a country's name the way the country does.
Cuba. Kooo-ba.
I was talking to a Cuban citizen in Heathrow Airport (I'm American) and when I asked where he was from he said, "Kooo-ba." Then did a mental shake, and said "Er, Cue-ba." I was shocked that my entire nation mispronounces his country's name, and he feels like he should CORRECT HIMSELF for my benefit.
This is wrong on so many levels, I can't hardly stand it.
It has been Kooo-ba ever since for me. And I listen carefully for other country's CORRECT NAME.
Ironically -- humorously -- the United States of America -- the United States -- can actually be translated into other languages, so I don't hold other country's to my own personal standard.
Have you ever heard a Southern say "Italian"? "Eye-talian." My father, with a Masters Degree in Engineering from MIT, say "Eye-talian." "High-why-yah."
My god.


So... you don't ever say Germany?

I agree that it's cool to say things in the "local" language, but a lot of the time you're basically pronouncing the country's name in English rather than in the local language. Like Polska vs Poland, Ukraine vs Україна etc

Ryan Reynolds:"I'm a Horrible Driver".. but he is very funny

bareboards2 says...

It's one of my biggest pet peeves, how folks from other countries don't pronounce a country's name the way the country does.

Cuba. Kooo-ba.

I was talking to a Cuban citizen in Heathrow Airport (I'm American) and when I asked where he was from he said, "Kooo-ba." Then did a mental shake, and said "Er, Cue-ba." I was shocked that my entire nation mispronounces his country's name, and he feels like he should CORRECT HIMSELF for my benefit.

This is wrong on so many levels, I can't hardly stand it.

It has been Kooo-ba ever since for me. And I listen carefully for other country's CORRECT NAME.

Ironically -- humorously -- the United States of America -- the United States -- can actually be translated into other languages, so I don't hold other country's to my own personal standard.

Have you ever heard a Southern say "Italian"? "Eye-talian." My father, with a Masters Degree in Engineering from MIT, say "Eye-talian." "High-why-yah."

My god.

Lightning strikes plane above Heathrow airport

GeeSussFreeK says...

Your odds of being in a crash are already 1 and 14 million. But, reason doesn't stop irrational fears, it hasn't stopped mine (I am also a white knuckle flyer). Also, weather doesn't bring down planes as much as CFIT does, in other words, turbulence isn't the problem, your pilot getting lost and ramming the plane into a mountain is a greater possibility. With todays weather monitoring EQ, though, very few flights go down to bad weather, which would be related directly to turbulence. Turbulence is to flight like pot holes to driving, of no real concern to your safety. I actually love planes, I just hate flying in them...an irony. I have also studied (in my own time) most all the air crashes in the history of manned flight. So once again, turbulence is the least of your worries on a plane, and the odds say you have a better risk of falling off a ladder and dying than in a plane crash. Hopefully that helps some for you, it doesn't for me!

>> ^RhesusMonk:

Despite my frequent flying, I am TERRIFIED of turbulence and any kind of shakiness whilst in the air. I get a massive fear-sweat response, cling to the bottom of my seat, and have been known to tear up a bit. (Btw, I'm about 6'6" and 280 lbs, grew up a little punchy, and lettered in three sports). I've been on flights where there was movie-style crazy turbulence for hours on end, during which I was sure I was going to die. I guess my fear is because I don't really understand the physics of flying or turbulence (or maybe because I understand them too well?). I have also been on numerous flights that have been struck by lightning. Some where the flash made it obvious that we'd been struck, and some where the captain came on to jokingly let us know because of how little effect it had on our flight. My understanding is that the risk of a lightning strike to a plane in flight is about the same as the static prick you get from a doorknob in a carpeted room. No biggie.
Now if someone could kindly explain why turbulence shouldn't make me terrified, I'd be deeply gratified.

Stewart Lee on books and Russell Brand

Skeeve says...

So very true... Dan Brown's writing is scarily bad. As Geoffrey K. Pullum wrote:

"Brown's writing is not just bad; it is staggeringly, clumsily, thoughtlessly, almost ingeniously bad. In some passages scarcely a word or phrase seems to have been carefully selected or compared with alternatives. I slogged through 454 pages of this syntactic swill, and it never gets much better. Why did I keep reading? Because London Heathrow is a long way from San Francisco International, and airline magazines are thin, and two-month-old Hollywood drivel on a small screen hanging two seats in front of my row did not appeal, that's why. And why did I keep the book instead of dropping it into a Heathrow trash bin? Because it seemed to me to be such a fund of lessons in how not to write."

His full reviews of Brown are great:
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/000844.html

Runway Girl: Emirates' Airbus A380 defines luxury airflight

Hybrid says...

Having flown business class on the Emirates A380 from Heathrow to Dubai. I can tell you one thing. If you're anything like me, you'll spend the vast majority of the flight standing around the bar drinking and socialising at 37,000ft. I used my seat for take off, eating the meal and landing, that's it.

Pink Floyd - "Pigs (Three Different Ones)"

arvana says...

I love the story of how on the first day of photography with this pig they had a marksman on hand to shoot it down in case it broke free of its moorings. In the end they decided to do a second day of photos but forgot to call the marksman back; the pig broke free and floated into commercial flight paths and all the flights out of Heathrow had to be cancelled.

The pig drifted out over the English Channel but was eventually recovered for another day of photos, eventually leading to the cover of the 'Animals' album, which includes 'Pigs (Three Different Ones)'.

Cheney: Obama has made America less safe

ObsidianStorm says...

This asshat makes this damning claim against the new administration and offers absolutely ZERO evidence to back his claim.

Read about the 2006 Heathrow plot and you'll see it was uncovered by UK POLICE (not a law enforcement problem, hmmmm?).

This fuck is a proven LIAR and should be treated as such. I have no doubt that his greatest wet dream is that we're attacked on Obama's watch.

What a piece of shit. This man (and I use the term loosely), is an abomination to American ideals, an opportunist and a pathetic waste of flesh.

Like it or not, 9/11 happened on THEIR watch. What are they gonna say when we're NOT attacked on Obama's?

Not much, I suspect...

kronosposeidon (Member Profile)

Thylan says...

Not a Londoner I'm afraid, but Heathrow is one of those funnel places, so i've been through a few times. I didn't notice the cloud on my recent trip, but didn't know to look out for it and it's a big place, but I'll be curious to see it in person when next i go.

In reply to this comment by kronosposeidon:
Hey Thylan, I know you're an Englishman, but are you a Londoner? I'm curious because my latest hot sift has me curious. Does that sculpture make a bunch of noise when the dots are flipping, or is it quiet? Maybe you've haven't seen it in person yet, but if you have I'd like to know. Personally I hope it's whisper-quiet. I'd hate be to be distracted by the racket of hundreds of flip-dots doing their thing while I'm trying to enjoy the visual display.

Your feedback is always appreciated. And keep up the GREAT work here. You're one of my favorite sifters. (And I don't always say that to butter up someone. If I did I'd keep this communique private, which I didn't.) Cheers!

Watch what you think (Blog Entry by eric3579)

eric3579 says...

'Lyrical terrorist' sentenced over extremist poetry

A 23-year-old former Heathrow shop assistant who called herself the "lyrical terrorist" and scrawled her extremist thoughts on till receipts has been handed a nine-month suspended jail sentence.
Samina Malik became the first woman convicted under new terrorism legislation after writing poems entitled How To Behead and The Living Martyrs.

Malik, described as an "unlikely but committed" Islamic extremist, was last month convicted by an jury at the Old Bailey of a charge under the 2000 Terrorism Act.

She worked at WH Smith at Heathrow, where she scribbled her extremist lyrics on till receipts. On one she wrote: "The desire within me increases every day to go for martyrdom."

But Malik told the jury she only adopted her "lyrical terrorist" nickname because she thought it was "cool" and insisted: "I am not a terrorist."

Malik had tears in her eyes as she left the dock, while her mother wept during the court hearing. The judge said Malik's crime was on the "margins" of the offence of which she was found guilty. He said Malik was of "good character" and from a "supportive and law-abiding family who are appalled by the trouble that you are in".

"The Terrorism Act and the restrictions it imposes on the personal freedom exist to protect this country, its interests here and abroad, its citizens, and those who visit here. Its protection embraces us all. Its restrictions apply to us all, whatever our personal religious or political beliefs."

He told Malik that if she had been convicted of the more serious charge of possessing an article for terrorist purposes - of which the jury cleared her - she would have faced a jail term. But he said, while a custodial sentence was merited, she had already faced "extremely rigorous" bail conditions which were "tantamount to house arrest".

The court heard that she also spent five months in custody after being arrested in October last year. Malik's sentence was suspended for 18 months, with the condition that she be supervised for the whole period and undertake unpaid work.

Outside court Malik's solicitor Iqbal Ahmed read out a statement on her behalf. He said: "The trial process has been a terrible ordeal for her and she is now relieved that it is all over. The jury found that she did not have the material for terrorist purposes which was an important part of her case. She now wants to get on with her life."

Last month, Malik was found guilty of possessing records likely to be useful in terrorism by a majority of 10 to one. She cried as the verdict was read. Two female jurors were also in tears. The court heard that Malik stocked a "library" of material useful to terrorists at her family home in Southall, west London.

The court was told Malik was 20 years old when she "first started to consider Islam" and was "like most teenagers, somewhat rebellious". Malik had been interested in poetry, and had written love poems, followed by rap poems and later by "what can only be described as the distasteful poetry which has been mentioned in this trial".

John Burton, defending, said: "She became hooked on Abu Hamza-type addresses and that affected her mindset." The jury was told that she joined an extremist organisation called Jihad Way, set up explicitly to spread terrorist propaganda and support for al Qaida.

Jonathan Sharp, prosecuting, told the court she visited a website linked to the jailed cleric Abu Hamza and stored material about weapons. The court also heard Malik belonged to a social networking website called hi5, describing her interests as "helping the mujaheddin in any way which I can".

Under favourite TV shows, she listed: "Watching videos by my Muslim brothers in Iraq, yep the beheading ones, watching video messages by Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahri and other videos which show massacres of the kaffirs." removed

After her conviction, Judge Peter Beaumont, the recorder of London, told her: "You have been, in many respects, a complete enigma to me."

A spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain welcomed the decision by the judge to suspend the sentence. Inayat Bunglawala said: "It always seemed a rather bizarre decision to prosecute Samina when she is clearly not an actual terror plotter.

"Samina Malik was being prosecuted in effect for a thought crime because she had downloaded some material from the internet which anyone could download."
Mr Bunglawala said the case demonstrated how ill-conceived and "incredibly broad-ranging" the law is under Section 58 of the Terrorism Act. "Teenagers download some quite nihilistic material every day and they are not prosecuted," he said.

"The fact that this case went to court sends a very worrying signal that if you are Muslim and you are downloading from the Internet you may be judged to a quite different standard from others. Fortunately the judge has been sensible about this. The wider Muslim community must be relieved that she hasn't got a custodial sentence."

In a statement, the Crown Prosecution Service said: "Samina Malik was not prosecuted for writing poetry. Ms Malik was convicted of collecting information, without reasonable excuse, of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism."

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