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Biden's/ Americas attempt to beat China at its own game

Spacedog79 says...

Jeez these people are clueless. Wind and solar and gender equality? The global south need real infrastructure, not moralising and rich nation vanity projects.

China is gonna eat our lunch,

Vermilion Parish teacher arrested for asking about raises

A feminist comes to terms with the Men's Rights movement

bcglorf says...

This.

You don't get gender equality by pitting feminists against MLM, you get people to leave both sides and work towards equality.

You don't get race equality by pitting the KKK against BLM, you get people to leave both sides and work towards equality.

You don't get religious equality by pitting Christianity versus Islam, you get people to advocate for equality.

The trouble is, there are so many people with the deep seated knowledge of how RIGHT they are and how WRONG their enemies are.

newtboy said:

That's something else....gender equality.
True feminists will never fight to end an inequality they benefit from, neither will a mascilinist.
Those wishing to support gender equality should avoid supporting either sexist movement.

A feminist comes to terms with the Men's Rights movement

newtboy says...

That's something else....gender equality.
True feminists will never fight to end an inequality they benefit from, neither will a mascilinist.
Those wishing to support gender equality should avoid supporting either sexist movement.

Jinx said:

Couldn't agree more.

I'm not sure if feminism and men's rights are quite the same thing though. Personally I feel that both movements should be for the betterment of society, for both men and women, but I think it is perhaps unavoidable that feminism has a focus on the issues women face. If men have their own banner to rally behind how do we avoid this boy vs girl playground bullshit that it tends to devolve to. Should we all not have a foot in each camp, men fighting for women's issues and women for men's. Would we call this feminism or something else?

the true face of gender equality

NaMeCaF says...

Women want it both ways. Feminism isnt about gender equality its about gender inequality in favor of females. Fuck that. You act like a man and hit a guy, expect to get treated like a man and get hit back.

the true face of gender equality

bareboards2 says...

I had to stop watching. Yeah. Nothing to do with feminism.

As for saying that if you hit someone once, that person has the right to beat you senseless?

No. No, that is not true.

I know that men do that to men. And it is wrong when they do it to each other. That is very definition of poor impulse control. (And to sneak into feminist territory -- men who say "she made me do it" as an excuse for beating up their significant others? I suspect that behavior can be traced back, in part, to the beat downs and humiliations they received early in life, including from men.)

This is called the cycle of violence and has nothing to do with the true face of gender equality.

the true face of gender equality

newtboy says...

*promote showing what actual gender equality looks like.
Actually, not quite equality, but a step towards it. If there was TRUE gender equality being shown here, every one of those women would have been beaten to a pulp, not just hit one single time.
If you start a fight and lose, that's 100% on you, not the one you attacked.

Rashida Jones coaches Stephen on how to be a Feminist

newtboy says...

No one ever suggested it should. I only ever suggested that it's not right for ME, even though I've been supporting it for decades. EDIT: The misplaced angry responses I've received for simply expressing my opinion has done nothing but reinforce the idea that I absolutely don't belong with 'feminists'.

Thanks to Babymech, I have found that school of thought, egalitarianism, equality for ALL, the only kind of equality that's equal.

Clearly 'feminism' is only about gender equality FOR WOMEN....and I think you don't find equality by ignoring unfairness that happens to the other 1/2 of the population (that's the reason I've identified as 'feminist' before now, I care about being fair to others, even if they aren't like me)....that's what you're upset about, inequalities to women being ignored and minimized, why on earth would you do it back to men? That's not gender equality, that's gender based vengeance.
EDIT: If you wish to argue that point, I insist you start with an example of 'feminism' working against women to secure equal rights for men or I'll discount your argument at the outset.
Otherwise, I'm out.

FlowersInHisHair said:

Your offended feelings shouldn't override the identity of the feminist movement, which has no obligation to pat you on the head because you claim you were "there at the start". So yes, I hope you find a movement with a title that fits your views more closely. If you think that feminism isn't about gender equality, then I can't help you figure that out.

Rashida Jones coaches Stephen on how to be a Feminist

FlowersInHisHair says...

Your offended feelings shouldn't override the identity of the feminist movement, which has no obligation to pat you on the head because you claim you were "there at the start". So yes, I hope you find a movement with a title that fits your views more closely. If you think that feminism isn't about gender equality, then I can't help you figure that out.

"still today a crackhead mother is more likely to get full custody than a fully employed stand up father..." This just isn't true; it's the kind of silly strawman that MRAs love to knock up, in fact. It's not reflected in law: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cathy-meyer/dispelling-the-myth-of-ge_b_1617115.html

Rashida Jones coaches Stephen on how to be a Feminist

newtboy says...

No, if you believe in and work for gender equality FOR WOMEN, you're a feminist.
Those who believe in gender equality for all are called egalitarians.

Why 'feminism' is historically 'feminism' is because it works to secure the rights of women. Period. The feminist movement has never, as far as I know, worked against unequal rights for women when the inequality benefits women...or said another way, worked for equality FOR men.

It was not ONLY women at the start, only mostly women, and you disrespect and dismiss the contributions of all those men who worked against their own self interests to secure equal rights for you. How rude and ungrateful....I bet you would be upset if women's contributions to men's issues were dismissed like that.
No, men have not done the bulk of the work, but they have been invaluable in getting action many, many times. Calling it feminism and acting like it's only by women totally 'disacknowledges' all those self sacrificing men....which is why I have a problem. If we and our votes, money, and efforts don't count and are completely unapreciated, then buh-bye.
Again, no one is even suggesting renaming the entire movement, I suggested that people WHO THINK LIKE ME might start or join another that's more inclusive from the start. If you don't think like me, it's not about you, and even if you do, it's not a command, it's barely a suggestion.

If you focus solely on those with the MOST disadvantages, you only swing the pendulum of unfairness the other direction in a never ending struggle back and forth. Only by focusing on equality for all can you come to the right solutions to inequalities.

(Expletive deleted)! Men and whites ABSOLUTELY need equal rights. Yes, in MOST cases men and whites have advantages, not all by far like you said, still today a crackhead mother is more likely to get full custody than a fully employed stand up father...that is not the ONLY case where women are given advantages men aren't....another off the top of my head, domestic violence, men will ALWAYS be the one thought to be the aggressor without clear evidence to the contrary, but that's simply false, and leaves many abused men victimized twice. Same for sexual abuse/rape. Men get zero support if they've been raped, only ridicule and disbelief. Take each situation individually, or you'll continue to make that insulting, repulsive, self serving mistake that perpetuates inequality and pits men against women.

Equal child custody rights....yes, good example....how has the feminist movement worked to secure that....for men? If the imbalance is in their favor, that's FINE with feminists. I disagree strongly, and I won't be considering myself one anymore.

FlowersInHisHair said:

Don't overreact. If you believe in gender equality, you are a feminist.

As has been pointed out, and as you acknowledge, you were not there at the start of feminism. Why feminism is feminism is because the fight for gender equality was not initiated by men, nor has the bulk of the work been done by men. Calling it anything but feminism disacknowledges that women are the prime movers here. The fight for gender equality is the fight, spearheaded by women, to bring women's rights up to meet men's existing privilege level. It's feminism. You get credit for being part of the movement, but that's not enough reason to rename that movement, and I can't understand that argument.

Equality for all is the goal, yes. But to do this, women and non-whites are the ones who need the "boost". So that's why the movements are called "feminism", and "Black Lives Matter". Men and whites don't need "equal rights"; they already have more rights than non-white and women, aside from a few issues such as equal child custody rights, which will equalise when gender rights reach balance.

Rashida Jones coaches Stephen on how to be a Feminist

FlowersInHisHair says...

Don't overreact. If you believe in gender equality, you are a feminist.

As has been pointed out, and as you acknowledge, you were not there at the start of feminism. Why feminism is feminism is because the fight for gender equality was not initiated by men, nor has the bulk of the work been done by men. Calling it anything but feminism disacknowledges that women are the prime movers here. The fight for gender equality is the fight, spearheaded by women, to bring women's rights up to meet men's existing privilege level. It's feminism. You get credit for being part of the movement, but that's not enough reason to rename that movement, and I can't understand that argument.

Equality for all is the goal, yes. But to do this, women and non-whites are the ones who need the "boost". So that's why the movements are called "feminism", and "Black Lives Matter". Men and whites don't need "equal rights"; they already have more rights than non-white and women, aside from a few issues such as equal child custody rights, which will equalise when gender rights reach balance.

newtboy said:

Not true if I was part of starting it. I suppose '75 doesn't really count as the 'start', but certainly was in it's early stages, and I was at many rallies and functions for 'feminism' as far back as then. ;-) It turns out that it's not a group I belong in, as I don't want to intentionally discriminate on the basis of gender....I think that's the problem, not the solution.

woman destroys third wave feminism in 3 minutes

draak13 says...

It's extremely important to note that, at the collegiate level, it is taught in introductory sociology courses that feminism is exactly what she says it is. Feminism by its traditional definition is actually a pretty crappy thing, which most people from both sexes would agree on in modern times. While feminists have done wonderful things for women's rights, her message of gender equality is really refreshing.

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Wage Gap

Arg says...

I found this programme to be a fascinating investigation into gender differences, which tries to find reasons to explain the career choices made by men and women.

Please don't be put off by the subtitles. Some of the interviews are conducted in English.

Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Wage Gap

Magicpants says...

That's wrong. Women doing similar jobs to men make 96 cents on the dollar
(still bad). But Oliver is arguing that men and women doing dissimilar jobs should make the same amount.

Here's the problem with that: It would force men doing similar jobs as women to make a lot less. For example, if you've ever worked in a game studio, you'll notice that 95% of all engineers are men, while for artists the split is 50-50(ish). Assuming engineers make twice the rate of artists, in order to achieve gender equality you'd have to mandate that female artists make nearly the same amount as engineers, while male artists would not. Once you include the extra cost of education for engineers, it makes the issue very cloudy.

So while I think that gender wage equality is an important goal, it is a terrible mandate.

artician said:

There's always going to be inequality on a marginal scale. Employees who are recognized as more productive, more valuable, or perform better in the workplace can and should get a larger compensation for what they put into their jobs.
The point of the income inequality conversation is the fact that taking the average of all male incomes in the US, and pairing it to the average of all female income in the US for like jobs, it comes down to women, on average, for similar jobs, making roughly 25% less than men in similar jobs.
The only argument you could possibly make against that would be that "well, then maybe women aren't worth as much as men in the workplace", which would clearly out you as a bigot and an asshole. Maybe you want that, but I thought I'd lay it out for you so you might actually glean some knowledge from those who understand more about the state of the world than you do.

I'm extremely happy that Videosift has a marginally higher-than average collective of intelligence and discourse than the rest of the internet, and because of that I would kindly, seriously, and humbly suggest that you up your level of knowledge and world-view if you want to actually contribute to the discussion here.

I miss Chingalera's trolling, because at least his stupid fucking rants had a kernel of sense to them.

The boys wish they could throw like a girl

AeroMechanical says...

That's awesome. Since 13 is typically the middle-to-beginning of puberty for girls and, assuming she has control of her 70mph fastball (probably) and can field too, I'd bet she'll be hanging tough with the boys for another three to five years at least. It will be very interesting to see where it takes her.

Kudos to her for enduring the obstacles, putting in the hard work, and most importantly for setting an excellent example for future generations.

I would like to see a shift in the general public's interest towards sports where finesse, coordination, and mental acuity can totally supersede brute strength and speed. Unfortunately, race car driving is the only competitive sport that immediately comes to mind, but surely there are others.

edit: Oh, and I apologize for using this as a soapbox, and I don't mean to detract in any way from her accomplishments or to imply this newscast or SI is evil, but as a counterpoint, I also always feel a little disgusted when the media (with their Nike, Reebok and Gatorade funding) draws a direct analogy to gender equality through athletics. It's a dangerous straw man... but meh, not everything on TV and magazines is responsible for solving serious social problems. It's just entertainment, so I'll shut up about it now.



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