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Even though I truly enjoy watching the sneakiness of the forward (Although this trick has been done many times before), he is offsides and the goal shouldn't stand.

>> ^Unsung_Hero:

Even though I truly enjoy watching the sneakiness of the forward (Although this trick has been done many times before), he is offsides and the goal shouldn't stand.

He is not offside. The ball was not played to him by his own team. I think everyone, including the referee, realised that.

I think someone really doesn't understand the offside rule.

>> ^EMPIRE:

I think someone really doesn't understand the offside rule.


Nobody does, it's like quantum physics. As Richard Feynman said, "If you think you understand the offside rule, you don't understand the offside rule".

Seriously: this guy is in an offside position, but he is not offside. He's only offside if he is in an offside position when team mate passes the ball and he is interfering with play (i.e. touches the ball, blocks an opponent, etc). He certainly "interferes with play" but not from a team mate's pass so no foul.

I could see this being ruled out because the sneaky player leaves the pitch and comes back on without permission. This happens all the time (slide tackles, taking corners/throws) but I think if used to gain an advantage, a referee could pull the play up and book the player.

In this case, the guy is just coming back and takes the chance, but I've seen players go right around the back of the opponents' net to gain position and maybe catch someone out and that is pushing it.

>> ^EMPIRE:

I think someone really doesn't understand the offside rule.


>> ^A10anis:

>> ^Unsung_Hero:
Even though I truly enjoy watching the sneakiness of the forward (Although this trick has been done many times before), he is offsides and the goal shouldn't stand.

He is not offside. The ball was not played to him by his own team. I think everyone, including the referee, realised that.


I fully understand offsides and both of you along with the ref are wrong on this one. He is in an offside position when he plays the ball and in doing so he gained an advantage. It does not matter if the other team (defender) played the ball or not. Also, Quboid is correct as well for the player leaving the field and entering back again without permission. I know this happens all the time and is never really made an issue.

A cheapshot if I ever saw one.

>> ^Unsung_Hero:
I fully understand offsides and both of you along with the ref are wrong on this one. He is in an offside position when he plays the ball and in doing so he gained an advantage. It does not matter if the other team (defender) played the ball or not. Also, Quboid is correct as well for the player leaving the field and entering back again without permission. I know this happens all the time and is never really made an issue.


You are offside the moment your team-mate touches the ball on - this moment didn't occur. The only thing that had occurred in the phase of play that the attacker scores from is for the goalkeeper to put the ball down. It's like when a defender plays a pass-back, if there is an attacker near the goal keeper, in an offside position, they will probably score because at no point did a team mate touch the ball towards them.

Edit - from The Rule Book (emphasis mine):

Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:

interfering with play or
interfering with an opponent or
gaining an advantage by being in that position

scandalous!

>> ^Quboid:

>> ^Unsung_Hero:
I fully understand offsides and both of you along with the ref are wrong on this one. He is in an offside position when he plays the ball and in doing so he gained an advantage. It does not matter if the other team (defender) played the ball or not. Also, Quboid is correct as well for the player leaving the field and entering back again without permission. I know this happens all the time and is never really made an issue.

You are offside the moment your team-mate touches the ball on - this moment didn't occur. The only thing that had occurred in the phase of play that the attacker scores from is for the goalkeeper to put the ball down. It's like when a defender plays a pass-back, if there is an attacker near the goal keeper, in an offside position, they will probably score because at no point did a team mate touch the ball towards them.
Edit - from The Rule Book (emphasis mine):

Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:
interfering with play or
interfering with an opponent or
gaining an advantage by being in that position

Yes @Unsung_Hero, but as I also pasted, this only applies "if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team" which it does not. I even emphasised it.

I didn't stumble across the rule, I know the rules and I've read the FIFA rules handbook that I posted a section from. The time that matters is when the ball is passed by his team mate, which is never.

He was in an offside position, but that doesn't have any relevance when your team is not in possession.

>> ^Quboid:

Yes @Unsung_Hero, but as I also pasted, this only applies "if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team" which it does not. I even emphasised it.
I didn't stumble across the rule, I know the rules and I've read the FIFA rules handbook that I posted a section from. The time that matters is when the ball is passed by his team mate, which is never.
He was in an offside position, but that doesn't have any relevance when your team is not in possession.



"However, if the referee considers that he has left the fi eld of play for tactical
reasons and has gained an unfair advantage by re-entering the fi eld of play, the
player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour. The player needs to ask for
the referee’s permission to re-enter the field of play."

With this scenario a teammate doesn't need to have touched the ball. The goal should not have been allowed and the ref SHOULD have cautioned the player, in my opinion. It is up to the ref's consideration as to whether or not the attacker gained an "unfair advantage" from leaving the field and returning. I think it's obvious but I wasn't reffing.

I do apologize for saying you "stumbled" across the FIFA Handbook. I do wish more people would read it.

We were disagreeing about whether this was offside, not whether or not the goal was valid.

I think referees let players back on the pitch when their momentum takes them out like it did here. Also for returning the ball to play, i.e. throw-ins, corners and goal-kicks. I think that's a rule but it might just be common sense, I don't remember.

Edit - here we go, I assume this is up to date (emphasis mine):
"If a player accidentally crosses one of the boundary lines of the field of play, he is not deemed to have committed an infringement. Going off the field of play may be considered to be part of a playing movement."

Going off the field of play when wrestling with an opponent must be considered accidental or a "playing movement" (which is a great phrase!).

Unsung_hero had a goal disallowed for offside when he was 9 years old. He hasn't touched a football since. Everytime he sees a goal on the TV, even from penalties, he shouts "OFFSIDE, REF!", but no one pays any attention. They all know what he's like.

Not offsides. Once the goalie has the ball like that, it's his bad. That only time offsides would be even in question is when the first shot was taken. And as it was taken by the player furthest towards the goal, it's impossible for that to have been offsides.

The scorer really just is a sneaky, sneaky bastard.

Dion Dublin did this against some unfortunate keeper several years ago in the Premiership. Goalies have to be aware all the time.

Deceptions...

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