Cenk gets royally riled up over this, and rightly so! I had no idea Ireland had such fucking primitive laws

*Fuck the Catholic Church and their woman-hating, backward thinking creed. This story makes me physically sick.

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>> ^hpqp:

Fuck the Catholic Church and their woman-hating, backward thinking creed. This story makes me physically sick.

Agreed, when will people realize that their religious views DON'T MATTER when it comes to peoples health. This is about women having rights to THEIR OWN BODIES and being able to take responsibility for THEIR OWN HEALTH.

This death is down to the Irish government, 6 or 7 of them, have been in power since the Supreme court ruled that a woman has the right to an abortion on medical grounds. They all did nothing and left it for the next crowd of useless fuckers to worry about.

Just a couple of months ago the "United Left Alliance" brought legislation forward that would have covered this situation but both government parties (Fine Gael and Labour) voted against together with most of the opposition. The current Taoiseach (Prime Minister) has said he wont legislate.

Medical terminations are performed in Irish hospitals (just read an interview with a Professor of Obstetrics who described how she performs it), unfortunately in a different hospital she may not have died, but theres no way of knowing which hospitals to go to because there is no clear laws, one Doctor may interpret things differently to another. Doctors differ and patients die.

Ireland has been a democracy for 90 years, the electorate (myself included) have to take responsibility for the continuing series of catastrophes and fuckups that are destroying the lives of people here.

Edit:
This is probably the best reporting on this I've encountered from non-Irish media I've heard/read in the last few days. Good for TYT.

*quality

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How much do you think it would cost to invade Ireland? Isn't it like tiny compared to Iraq? Heck we could probably get Britain to do it. Lets Abort this Country!

I'll put that one down to ignorance rather than sarcasm, since you didn't check the box.

Some light reading.>> ^Yogi:

How much do you think it would cost to invade Ireland? Isn't it like tiny compared to Iraq? Heck we could probably get Britain to do it. Lets Abort this Country!

If you're a member of an irrational cult you don't get to complain about the irrationality of another irrational cult. She deserved to die in agony. Hindus and catholics are equally guilty and they should all die together. Ireland is not a legitimate state and every member of its government should be executed.

"Why are you putting your morality on me?"

Fuck you relativist. That's exactly what you should do with morality; right and wrong isn't negotiable and it should be enforced. If catholics were right then abortion should be banned. Religious freedom would be ridiculous in a world with a correct religion. There isn't one, catholics are not right, they don't have any morality, they've abandoned their humanity, abortion should be easy and every catholic on earth should be killed.

is it... morning sickness?
>> ^hpqp:

Fuck the Catholic Church and their woman-hating, backward thinking creed. This story makes me physically sick.

So.. which is right and which is wrong?
>> ^gorillaman:
right and wrong isn't negotiable and it should be enforced

>> ^gwiz665:

So.. which is right and which is wrong?
>> ^gorillaman:
right and wrong isn't negotiable and it should be enforced


Well, when you raise your hand out, extend your thumb and index finger, the one that doesn't produce an "L" shape is right, the other is wrong...

wait...

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That was a really good rant there. Therapeutic.

From the linked article "An autopsy carried out by Dr Grace Callagy two days later found she died of septicaemia “documented ante-mortem” and E.coli ESBL."

The risk of septicaemia is the same whether the baby dies by itself or whether the baby is killed by Drs (i.e. an abortion) - in both cases the baby is born dead and it is the medical intervention itself that presents the risk for complications. This is well documented in medical literature.

>> ^L0cky:


I'll put that one down to ignorance rather than sarcasm, since you didn't check the box.
Some light reading.>> ^Yogi:
How much do you think it would cost to invade Ireland? Isn't it like tiny compared to Iraq? Heck we could probably get Britain to do it. Lets Abort this Country!



HAHAHA I know more about the Troubles than most US Historians. I was of course kidding but I'm getting sick of bombing brown people. We need to kill some white people already. COME ON WHO'S WITH ME?!?!

>> ^harlequinn:

From the linked article "An autopsy carried out by Dr Grace Callagy two days later found she died of septicaemia “documented ante-mortem” and E.coli ESBL."
The risk of septicaemia is the same whether the baby dies by itself or whether the baby is killed by Drs (i.e. an abortion) - in both cases the baby is born dead and it is the medical intervention itself that presents the risk for complications. This is well documented in medical literature.


You want to maybe post some of that literature? Because if not, you're just a fucking liar.

Yet another abomination caused by religion.

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^harlequinn:
From the linked article "An autopsy carried out by Dr Grace Callagy two days later found she died of septicaemia “documented ante-mortem” and E.coli ESBL."
The risk of septicaemia is the same whether the baby dies by itself or whether the baby is killed by Drs (i.e. an abortion) - in both cases the baby is born dead and it is the medical intervention itself that presents the risk for complications. This is well documented in medical literature.

You want to maybe post some of that literature? Because if not, you're just a fucking liar.


Not posting any literature doesn't make me a liar - it just makes you uninformed - sorry, "fucking uninformed".

Here's a quote for you. The husband of the deceased:

“The doctor told us the cervix was fully dilated, amniotic fluid was leaking and unfortunately the baby wouldn’t survive.” The doctor, he says, said it should be over in a few hours. There followed three days, he says, of the foetal heartbeat being checked several times a day.

“Savita was really in agony. She was very upset, but she accepted she was losing the baby. When the consultant came on the ward rounds on Monday morning Savita asked if they could not save the baby could they induce to end the pregnancy. The consultant said, ‘As long as there is a foetal heartbeat we can’t do anything’.

“Again on Tuesday morning, the ward rounds and the same discussion. The consultant said it was the law, that this is a Catholic country. Savita [a Hindu] said: ‘I am neither Irish nor Catholic’ but they said there was nothing they could do.

“That evening she developed shakes and shivering and she was vomiting. She went to use the toilet and she collapsed. There were big alarms and a doctor took bloods and started her on antibiotics.

“The next morning I said she was so sick and asked again that they just end it, but they said they couldn’t.”

At lunchtime the foetal heart had stopped and Ms Halappanavar was brought to theatre to have the womb contents removed. “When she came out she was talking okay but she was very sick. That’s the last time I spoke to her.”

source - http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/1114/1224326575203.html
The Irish Times

Now, do you think they should have removed the source of that septicaemia sooner?

(Bias declaration: I was within feet of the people pictured on the front of this video above)

>> ^harlequinn:

From the linked article "An autopsy carried out by Dr Grace Callagy two days later found she died of septicaemia “documented ante-mortem” and E.coli ESBL."
The risk of septicaemia is the same whether the baby dies by itself or whether the baby is killed by Drs (i.e. an abortion) - in both cases the baby is born dead and it is the medical intervention itself that presents the risk for complications. This is well documented in medical literature.


She was screaming and vomiting in her hospital bed for three days>> ^harlequinn:

>> ^Yogi:
>> ^harlequinn:
From the linked article "An autopsy carried out by Dr Grace Callagy two days later found she died of septicaemia “documented ante-mortem” and E.coli ESBL."
The risk of septicaemia is the same whether the baby dies by itself or whether the baby is killed by Drs (i.e. an abortion) - in both cases the baby is born dead and it is the medical intervention itself that presents the risk for complications. This is well documented in medical literature.

You want to maybe post some of that literature? Because if not, you're just a fucking liar.

Not posting any literature doesn't make me a liar - it just makes you uninformed - sorry, "fucking uninformed".

I love it when Cenk loses his shit. Or Ana too, for that matter.

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Amniotic fluid does not cause septicaemia.

An alive foetus does not cause septicaemia.

A dead foetus does not cause Escherichia coli - but it can eventually cause septicaemia if it were not delivered - usually this happens by spontaneous delivery from the mothers body aborting the pregnancy. As it was they immediately delivered the baby upon cessation of its heart beat.

The septicaemia was caused by Escherichia coli - specifically a new Extended-Spectrum Beta Lactamase strain that is highly resistant to antibiotics. This bacteria is contracted in the hospital environment. This bacteria did not originate from the foetus.

So to roughly answer your question, to remove the source of the septicaemia would be to remove the source of the Escherichia coli, which is the hospital. I can't say if she would have survived outside of the hospital or not, but she probably would not have contracted the Escherichia coli and she probably would have safely delivered through spontaneous abortion.

It's sad she died, but the medical reason for her death was not a lack of abortion. It was from contracting a new deadly bacteria strain that is found in hospitals and is very hard to treat. It was probably contracted directly from either a doctor, another patient, a medical instrument, or a surface she touched within the hospital. These new antibiotic resistant bateria are a major problem worldwide killing many otherwise healthy people every year.

>> ^TheSluiceGate:

Here's a quote for you. The husband of the deceased:
“The doctor told us the cervix was fully dilated, amniotic fluid was leaking and unfortunately the baby wouldn’t survive.” The doctor, he says, said it should be over in a few hours. There followed three days, he says, of the foetal heartbeat being checked several times a day.
“Savita was really in agony. She was very upset, but she accepted she was losing the baby. When the consultant came on the ward rounds on Monday morning Savita asked if they could not save the baby could they induce to end the pregnancy. The consultant said, ‘As long as there is a foetal heartbeat we can’t do anything’.
“Again on Tuesday morning, the ward rounds and the same discussion. The consultant said it was the law, that this is a Catholic country. Savita [a Hindu] said: ‘I am neither Irish nor Catholic’ but they said there was nothing they could do.
“That evening she developed shakes and shivering and she was vomiting. She went to use the toilet and she collapsed. There were big alarms and a doctor took bloods and started her on antibiotics.
“The next morning I said she was so sick and asked again that they just end it, but they said they couldn’t.”
At lunchtime the foetal heart had stopped and Ms Halappanavar was brought to theatre to have the womb contents removed. “When she came out she was talking okay but she was very sick. That’s the last time I spoke to her.”
source - http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/1114/122432657520
3.html
The Irish Times
Now, do you think they should have removed the source of that septicaemia sooner?
(Bias declaration: I was within feet of the people pictured on the front of this video above)

Warning, extremly angry rant follows. this was my hometown and goddamnit I am fucking pissed off.

So yes, welcome to Ireland, where they actually tried to stop a raped teenager from leaving the country on the off chance that she might get an abortion! Google the "X Case"

Ireland, where haemophiliacs infected with aids from tainted blood weren't allowed have condoms so they could have sex with their own wives.

Where divorce was illegal until the mid 90's.

Seriously, as @hpqp said, fuck the Catholic Church. If you want to believe in an imaginary friend, fuck it, go nuts, but I cannot understand how anyone could continue to support such a morally bankrupt institution. The WBC are bad, but they're just fucking redneck idiots. The Catholic Church right now is being investigated in Australia. Not because they raped kids, but because they helped the rapist priests move to other parishes, dioceses, even other countries so they could keep being the evil fucks they are.

And I don't want to hear about missionaries or hospitals or whatever. It doesn't balance out. You can do good without the church.

@Yogi, you want to invade somewhere, bomb some white people?
Vatican City, bro. Nuke the fuckers

And that right there is what Cenk is good for. Good on you buddy. I wish you'd bring that to the streets.

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