Where are the cops when you need one?

This is from Jalopnik...

“We can do this the hard way, or we can do this the easy way, man,” suspected attempt robber Victor Martinez-Herrera says to taxi driver Ralph Valletta. “Let me see your wallet, and let me see your phone. I need it all right now if you don’t want to die, man.”

Valletta understandably pleads for his life, explaining that he doesn’t have any money in his wallet, before Berks County deputy sheriff Terry Ely shows up and arrests Martinez-Herrera. The whole ordeal lasts only 30 seconds or so, but it must have felt like an eternity to Valletta.

Valletta is understandably shaken up when it’s all over.

“Oh my God, oh my god,” he repeats. “I can’t believe it!”

Oddly, putting this in both Fail and FTW...you'll see why.
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eric3579says...

Well you're obviously not the only cop that thinks that way. Its kinda been an issue for the public. You know, cops shooting people unnecessarily. I do however appreciate your willingness to say it out loud.

bobknight33said:

They should put a bullet in the kids head.

bobknight33says...

I just saying society does not need to have armed robbery in society. Those willing to rob this way should be put down. Why give this guy 5 years for armed robbery just to have him become more harden and more dangerous to society. Not to mention the waste on taxpayers to support this dangerous guy by housing him in jail for decades to come.

eric3579said:

Well you're obviously not the only cop that thinks that way. Its kinda been an issue for the public. You know, cops shooting people unnecessarily. I do however appreciate your willingness to say it out loud.

jeremy-beadlesays...

"Those willing to rob this way should be put down. "

Errr we've already tried that it usually turns out so worse for the victims.

bobknight33said:

I just saying society does not need to have armed robbery in society. Those willing to rob this way should be put down. Why give this guy 5 years for armed robbery just to have him become more harden and more dangerous to society. Not to mention the waste on taxpayers to support this dangerous guy by housing him in jail for decades to come.

Asmosays...

1. You end up with a lot of armed robbery in a society with a lot of guns. Just sayin'.

2. You're suddenly concerned with society? You do understand that is socialism right?

3. Most of the reason why crime in the US is so high stems back to poor socio-economic conditions for certain racial groups. If you care so much about society, ideally you want to fix the underlying reason why people end up committing crime rather than shooting everyone who sticks someone up...

bobknight33said:

I just saying society does not need to have armed robbery in society. Those willing to rob this way should be put down. Why give this guy 5 years for armed robbery just to have him become more harden and more dangerous to society. Not to mention the waste on taxpayers to support this dangerous guy by housing him in jail for decades to come.

dannym3141says...

Know what's scarier than being robbed at gunpoint? Knowing that there are police out there who see themselves as the judge and jury. There's a very good reason there's a judicial system bob, and you really should know all about that. Especially considering how many "bad cop" videos you show up in; you don't want those guys being judge and jury do you?

I'd really like to engage with you and try to convince you on this, so .. you accept that you're not perfect, right? Everyone makes mistakes - it's not an insult, we're just not perfect and we can misread things or misjudge things.. right? So if your goal as a cop is to deliver the safest society possible, you surely also want to protect society from any potential harm you might cause in your duties? I assume that you agree with these points, and so don't we agree that the best way you can do your job is by being unbiased, robotic almost? Doing exactly what is needed to prevent further harm and neutralise danger and deliver the parties to those who we have decided are best positioned to deliver the judgement? Because if you dole out the judgement yourself, you might be mistaken.

I hope we agree, and i'm sorry that i was rude in the first version of this comment. That doesn't help anyone.

bobknight33said:

I just saying society does not need to have armed robbery in society. Those willing to rob this way should be put down. Why give this guy 5 years for armed robbery just to have him become more harden and more dangerous to society. Not to mention the waste on taxpayers to support this dangerous guy by housing him in jail for decades to come.

bobknight33says...

I'm not saying that.
Give the guy his trial and provide this overwhelming evidence and convict.
Save the taxpayers money and send a strong message.

dannym3141said:

Know what's scarier than being robbed at gunpoint? Knowing that there are police out there who see themselves as the judge and jury. There's a very good reason there's a judicial system bob, and you really should know all about that.

I think the problem is your psychology. They just shouldn't let people who think like you be in a position of power over anybody, because you don't and almost certainly won't ever understand WHY we need justice to be blind.

Mordhaussays...

Yep, you sure do end up with a lot of violent armed crimes in a country filled with guns.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

Asmosaid:

1. You end up with a lot of armed robbery in a society with a lot of guns. Just sayin'.

2. You're suddenly concerned with society? You do understand that is socialism right?

3. Most of the reason why crime in the US is so high stems back to poor socio-economic conditions for certain racial groups. If you care so much about society, ideally you want to fix the underlying reason why people end up committing crime rather than shooting everyone who sticks someone up...

SFOGuysays...

Sorry, tongue in cheek joke from American culture. People will complain when someone is breaking the law (a minor robbery, a traffic violation, etc) that "you can never find a cop when you want one"...

well, obviously, this officer was right where he was supposed to be. And, as noted above, this thief has some of the most abysmal situational awareness perhaps ever.

Does that help explain the American humor?

kingmobsaid:

I am confused by the title.

jeremy-beadlesays...

Bob you still haven't thought this idea through any further, its a terrible idea. I'll explain why but its probably going to be a bit long but bear with me and you'll understand why you are 'dead' wrong.

So "Bob's Law" is now in effect, Mr Bandito is in the back of a Taxi committing an armed robbery demanding the taxi driver hand over his money and valuables. Mr Bandito notices that the taxi driver has been getting looks at him in the rear view mirror. While the driver is nervously fumbling and trying to pull out the wallet he is sitting on in his back pocket, it crosses Mr Bandito's mind that "Bob's Law" is in effect and as soon as the driver hands him the wallet over Mr Bandito shoots and kills the taxi driver.

Mr Bandito did this because the punishment (death) is the same for robbing the driver as it is for murdering the driver. An alive taxi driver would make it easier for the police to catch him and Mr Bandito is of the same propensity as the folks that passed this law and so to him it now makes sense to kill all witnesses of an armed robbery as procedure, as the penalty is the same either way.

bobknight33said:

I'm not saying that.
Give the guy his trial and provide this overwhelming evidence and convict.
Save the taxpayers money and send a strong message.

dannym3141says...

Would you like to have a 2% chance of being mugged at knife-point/punched or a 1.5% chance of mugged at gunpoint? I'll go with the knife/fist as i'm in pretty good shape to run away. Thank god we have a chance of surviving our violent crimes.

A very carefully cherry-picked statistic from the journalistic equivalent of the u-bend in your toilet, the Daily Fail. If you're going to post something to support your argument, don't go for the right wing gutter press - go for something more neutral that use facts over hysteria, such as a statistics office or charity group.

Mordhaussaid:

Yep, you sure do end up with a lot of violent armed crimes in a country filled with guns.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html

newtboysays...

Yes, that article was pretty silly, repeatedly quoting the study claiming the UK has the most violence based on the fact that they consider an argument a violent crime even when there's been no injury, but compare it to other countries where no crime is reported unless there's hospitalization. Just note, in the year studied, the UK had a total of 921 murders, compared to 14,831 in the US that year...but yeah, the UK is the more violent country, far more violent than the US or South Africa.
WHAT?!?

dannym3141said:

Would you like to have a 2% chance of being mugged at knife-point/punched or a 1.5% chance of mugged at gunpoint? I'll go with the knife/fist as i'm in pretty good shape to run away. Thank god we have a chance of surviving our violent crimes.

A very carefully cherry-picked statistic from the journalistic equivalent of the u-bend in your toilet, the Daily Fail. If you're going to post something to support your argument, don't go for the right wing gutter press - go for something more neutral that use facts over hysteria, such as a statistics office or charity group.

bobknight33says...

Just committing a crime with a gun or knife should commit you to death with in short order of your trial. Provided that there is 100% proof that that is the case.

With all the cameras today that thought alone would deter most.

The victim ( store clerk or such ) should have the right to defend themselves with a gun.

In this case there is not need to kill the cabbie because of the fact that this a a camera society.

jeremy-beadlesaid:

Bob you still haven't thought this idea through any further, its a terrible idea. I'll explain why but its probably going to be a bit long but bear with me and you'll understand why you are 'dead' wrong.

So "Bob's Law" is now in effect, Mr Bandito is in the back of a Taxi committing an armed robbery demanding the taxi driver hand over his money and valuables. Mr Bandito notices that the taxi driver has been getting looks at him in the rear view mirror. While the driver is nervously fumbling and trying to pull out the wallet he is sitting on in his back pocket, it crosses Mr Bandito's mind that "Bob's Law" is in effect and as soon as the driver hands him the wallet over Mr Bandito shoots and kills the taxi driver.

Mr Bandito did this because the punishment (death) is the same for robbing the driver as it is for murdering the driver. An alive taxi driver would make it easier for the police to catch him and Mr Bandito is of the same propensity as the folks that passed this law and so to him it now makes sense to kill all witnesses of an armed robbery as procedure, as the penalty is the same either way.

Mordhaussays...

Knives are just as deadly as guns, guns simply allow you to kill people quicker. Of course, I consider a knife to be an actual knife, 3.5 inches or greater and not a simple pen knife.

As far as the statistic, I simply typed in Google something along the equivalent of "Number of violent crimes by country per capita". That was literally one of the first results. The per capita is important because obviously the greater population will skew the stats otherwise. The fact is that crime is going to happen as long as underlying social issues remain unfixed. What weapon you are hurt or killed with really doesn't matter.

dannym3141said:

Would you like to have a 2% chance of being mugged at knife-point/punched or a 1.5% chance of mugged at gunpoint? I'll go with the knife/fist as i'm in pretty good shape to run away. Thank god we have a chance of surviving our violent crimes.

A very carefully cherry-picked statistic from the journalistic equivalent of the u-bend in your toilet, the Daily Fail. If you're going to post something to support your argument, don't go for the right wing gutter press - go for something more neutral that use facts over hysteria, such as a statistics office or charity group.

Mordhaussays...

If you break it down to just intentional homicide per 100,000 population, it averages out to 3.8 deaths for the US and 1 for the UK based on recent stats.

Some other countries for comparison:

Russia - 9.0
Jamaica - 39.3
India - 3.5
Canada - 1.4 (Probably died from starvation apologizing to one another)
China - 0.8 (Of course, this is just what they admit happening)
Norway - 2.2

newtboysaid:

Yes, that article was pretty silly, repeatedly quoting the study claiming the UK has the most violence based on the fact that they consider an argument a violent crime even when there's been no injury, but compare it to other countries where no crime is reported unless there's hospitalization. Just note, in the year studied, the UK had a total of 921 murders, compared to 14,831 in the US that year...but yeah, the UK is the more violent country, far more violent than the US or South Africa.
WHAT?!?

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