Here is a video of another policeman throwing a flash grenade into the crowd trying to help him.

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You know, if I wanted these protesters out...I'd just leave them be. Just a light number of police to keep the law and then wait for Winter to really chill things right down. Instead they are making a battle ground and I think thats an attractive for certain protestors who are angry with the system and want to fight back. Its getting colder, but you gotta think that the more this becomes a struggle the more the Police are lighting a fire under this whole thing. I think there is also a danger of this becoming a battle between Police and Protestors, or at least the narrative will be twisted that way and the real message of the Occupy movement will be lost in the violence.

Anyway, I hope that guy is ok and that Occupy is everything it needs to be.

I wonder if some people in the front lines protected with motorcycle helmets and wielding tennis rackets to bat the tear gas canisters and flash bangs back at them would be effective. For the police to have a valid complaint about the tactic they would have to admit that they were deliberately targeting/throwing AT people for which they in turn would have no moral defense.

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I know this is serious but "MEDIC!... MEDIIIIIC!" Where do these people think they are, Omaha fucking beach.

I might think someone getting shot in the face with a tear gas canister could be an accident, but lobbing a flash grenade into a crowd forming around someone injured is downright malicious.

Yes , downright malicious. If a citizen did that to a cop, the citizen would be killed, or beat untill he stopped resisting (moving) and then arrested for attempted murder. This "Dick Move" might be a turning point in this whole story.
>> ^Phreezdryd:
I might think someone getting shot in the face with a tear gas canister could be an accident, but lobbing a flash grenade into a crowd forming around someone injured is downright malicious.

One guy: "whats your name?"

6 more people: "yeah, for the love of god lets yell that at him! Whats your name??!!? Quick whats your name?!"

One guy: "No name! oh shi... MEDIC?!!?!"

6 more people: "OH MY GOD, FUCK HIS NAME, THIS GUYS IS YELLING MEDIC NOW so we have too, MEDIC!!! MEDIC!!!"



People are so dumb, like sheep.

>> ^sme4r:

One guy: "whats your name?"
6 more people: "yeah, for the love of god lets yell that at him! Whats your name??!!? Quick whats your name?!"
One guy: "No name! oh shi... MEDIC?!!?!"
6 more people: "OH MY GOD, FUCK HIS NAME, THIS GUYS IS YELLING MEDIC NOW so we have too, MEDIC!!! MEDIC!!!"

People are so dumb, like sheep.


Do you really not understand why they were asking him repeatedly for his name? Or is it just the objection to the multiple participants?

>> ^Phreezdryd:

I might think someone getting shot in the face with a tear gas canister could be an accident, but lobbing a flash grenade into a crowd forming around someone injured is downright malicious.

That's the guy we want.


If the Oakland PD is worth its salt, they should be able to figure out who did that.

That's the bastard who needs to turn in his badge, no compromise, no debate.

I will be genuinely surprised if these protesters remain non-violent for much longer. You cant expect a crowd of angry desperate people to channel Ghandi for long, even without the police lobbing explosives at them.

>> ^juliovega914:

I will be genuinely surprised if these protesters remain non-violent for much longer. You cant expect a crowd of angry desperate people to channel Ghandi for long, even without the police lobbing explosives at them.


Good point, but I think it will remain largely non-violent.

Violence on the part of the protesters gives the pigs a justification.

You can bet money that the cops have infiltrated the protesters, and that no small amount of violence can be attributed to them. Agent provocateurs.

Still...if the shit comes down...we're not going to be anybody's punching bag.

I hate to disparage cops, because I have family there...but if that bastard who threw the shock grenade isn't culled...then fuck 'em.

>> ^NicoleBee:

>> ^sme4r:
One guy: "whats your name?"
6 more people: "yeah, for the love of god lets yell that at him! Whats your name??!!? Quick whats your name?!"
One guy: "No name! oh shi... MEDIC?!!?!"
6 more people: "OH MY GOD, FUCK HIS NAME, THIS GUYS IS YELLING MEDIC NOW so we have too, MEDIC!!! MEDIC!!!"

People are so dumb, like sheep.

Do you really not understand why they were asking him repeatedly for his name? Or is it just the objection to the multiple participants?


I'm glad someone said something

"Police have denied reports that they used flash bang canisters to help break up the crowds, saying the loud noises came from large firecrackers thrown at police by protesters."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45030431/ns/us_news-life/

... you stay classy, Oakland PD

Mayor visits him in hospital:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/27/BAD61LN3LM.DTL

... but apparently the plan is still 'plazas before people'

99 to 1.

>> ^rougy:

>> ^Phreezdryd:
I might think someone getting shot in the face with a tear gas canister could be an accident, but lobbing a flash grenade into a crowd forming around someone injured is downright malicious.

That's the guy we want.

If the Oakland PD is worth its salt, they should be able to figure out who did that.
That's the bastard who needs to turn in his badge, no compromise, no debate.


Oh, they absolutely know who it was.

He's been bragging about this ever since.
Probably did have to buy his own beer all night.
[Edit] ^ I meant didn't have to...

>> ^Boise_Lib:

>> ^rougy:
>> ^Phreezdryd:
I might think someone getting shot in the face with a tear gas canister could be an accident, but lobbing a flash grenade into a crowd forming around someone injured is downright malicious.

That's the guy we want.

If the Oakland PD is worth its salt, they should be able to figure out who did that.
That's the bastard who needs to turn in his badge, no compromise, no debate.

Oh, they absolutely know who it was.
He's been bragging about this ever since.
Probably did have to buy his own beer all night.


We want his badge. That is justice.

>> ^acidSpine:

I know this is serious but "MEDIC!... MEDIIIIIC!" Where do these people think they are, Omaha fucking beach.


I get where you are coming from, and I pretty much agree that it is a bit overly dramatic. On the other hand, I can only say this:

If I was in that situation myself and was suddenly being rocked by flash grenade explosions and other shit popping off all around me, then saw some dude being limply carried away with a bloodied head, apparently unable to speak... I'd be pretty impressed with myself if I managed to shout something as coherent as "MEDIC!", rather than "blauahhahahhahhahghwaa".

That kind of adrenaline rush lets instinct take over rather than logic, so I can cut them some slack on the melodrama.

It will eventually turn to violence if people aren't allowed to be heard, and if the government continues to ignore the will of the majority. Which is to demand nothing more than fairness and justice. The government then will have little choice. They will either cave in to demands and enact change, OR they will violently intervene. Should the government then decide to intervene violently and begin harming, or even killing citizens... the government will quickly get a lesson in why the second amendment is in the Constitution.

I will be genuinely surprised if these protesters remain non-violent for much longer.

Elements of OWS have been violent for for some time. This particular incident was preceeded by (essentially) a riot where OWS goons were hurling rocks, bottles, and other crap at the police. The order went out for the crowd to disperse. They ignored it. At that point once the crowd has been warned and still refuses to obey the police it is pretty stupid to pretend that rubber bullets and tear gas are somehow out of line. Whatever point they may have ever had is now entirely lost in a sea of their own bad behavior. Behaving like jackasses and then whining about it when grown-ups are forced to put you in line doesn't make you a hero or noble. It makes you a giant douche.

But what can we expect from a group kickstarted by known anti-capitalist Kalle Lasn, fronted by his rag Adbusters, and trained by a professional anarchist running around conducting sessions on how to get arrested? The good book says, "By their fruits ye shall know them."

http://bigjournalism.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstreet-the-rap-sheet-so-far/

It will eventually turn to violence if people aren't allowed to be heard

Lol. They've been 'heard' for weeks. The news media has been giving them almost constant coverage, and on the national side it is mostly positive. The NYT alone has published over 180,000 words on OWS. But of course OWS and other prog-libs are still angry because they think they haven't gotten ENOUGH coverage, or that their coverage hasn't been as positive as they wanted.

And like most things, I know exactly why they feel this way. These hooligans are at the far left fringes of society. On a 100 point scale where 1 is "crazed liberal" and 100 is "crazed conservative", they are probably somewhere around 10 or 15. They aren't mainstream. They are out there. WAAAAY out there in many cases.

The news media coverage has been left-positive, but not AS left-positive as they want. If we scaled it, the overall media coverage of OWS has been around 35-40. Mostly centrist, leaning left. But that is not good enough for OWS and the prog-lib sympathizers. Unless the coverage mirrors their own bias (10 or 15) they consider it 'right wing'. This is not because the coverage isn't leftist. They feel this way because the coverage happens to be to the right of THEMSELVES.

So essentially they are mad because the entire national media isn't an OWS propoganda outlet. Anything less than that is somehow "unfair" or "not enough coverage". People who are chimpanzees swinging on the radical vines of the far left fringe will continue to fling their poo until everyone is as covered with it as they are.

Oh WP, that vine swings both ways. Just do me a favor and try not to cover those of us in the middle with the fecal rhetoric while you feel the need to sling it out with "the far left fringe"

>> ^Winstonfield_Pennypacker:

I will be genuinely surprised if these protesters remain non-violent for much longer.
Elements of OWS have been violent for for some time. This particular incident was preceeded by (essentially) a riot where OWS goons were hurling rocks, bottles, and other crap at the police. The order went out for the crowd to disperse. They ignored it. At that point once the crowd has been warned and still refuses to obey the police it is pretty stupid to pretend that rubber bullets and tear gas are somehow out of line. Whatever point they may have ever had is now entirely lost in a sea of their own bad behavior. Behaving like jackasses and then whining about it when grown-ups are forced to put you in line doesn't make you a hero or noble. It makes you a giant douche.
But what can we expect from a group kickstarted by known anti-capitalist Kalle Lasn, fronted by his rag Adbusters, and trained by a professional anarchist running around conducting sessions on how to get arrested? The good book says, "By their fruits ye shall know them."
http://bigjournalism.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstre
et-the-rap-sheet-so-far/
It will eventually turn to violence if people aren't allowed to be heard
Lol. They've been 'heard' for weeks. The news media has been giving them almost constant coverage, and on the national side it is mostly positive. The NYT alone has published over 180,000 words on OWS. But of course OWS and other prog-libs are still angry because they think they haven't gotten ENOUGH coverage, or that their coverage hasn't been as positive as they wanted.
And like most things, I know exactly why they feel this way. These hooligans are at the far left fringes of society. On a 100 point scale where 1 is "crazed liberal" and 100 is "crazed conservative", they are probably somewhere around 10 or 15. They aren't mainstream. They are out there. WAAAAY out there in many cases.
The news media coverage has been left-positive, but not AS left-positive as they want. If we scaled it, the overall media coverage of OWS has been around 35-40. Mostly centrist, leaning left. But that is not good enough for OWS and the prog-lib sympathizers. Unless the coverage mirrors their own bias (10 or 15) they consider it 'right wing'. This is not because the coverage isn't leftist. They feel this way because the coverage happens to be to the right of THEMSELVES.
So essentially they are mad because the entire national media isn't an OWS propoganda outlet. Anything less than that is somehow "unfair" or "not enough coverage". People who are chimpanzees swinging on the radical vines of the far left fringe will continue to fling their poo until everyone is as covered with it as they are.

>> ^MilkmanDan:

>> ^acidSpine:
I know this is serious but "MEDIC!... MEDIIIIIC!" Where do these people think they are, Omaha fucking beach.

I get where you are coming from, and I pretty much agree that it is a bit overly dramatic. On the other hand, I can only say this:
If I was in that situation myself and was suddenly being rocked by flash grenade explosions and other shit popping off all around me, then saw some dude being limply carried away with a bloodied head, apparently unable to speak... I'd be pretty impressed with myself if I managed to shout something as coherent as "MEDIC!", rather than "blauahhahahhahhahghwaa".
That kind of adrenaline rush lets instinct take over rather than logic, so I can cut them some slack on the melodrama.


Maybe they were trying to get him Uber'd?




Too soon?

Oh WP, that vine swings both ways. Just do me a favor and try not to cover those of us in the middle with the fecal rhetoric while you feel the need to sling it out with "the far left fringe"

I did not ever in any way pretend that there are not vines on the far right side of the tree. However, that is not the side of the tree that OWS or the national news media occupies - and so it is irrelevant to this particular topic.

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