SKYFALL - Official Teaser Trailer

dagsays...

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Looks pretty good - and serious. Definitely not the tongue-in-cheek scampy Bond. Will definitely be better than Quantum of Solace which was bad, mainly due to writer strike during that period.

spoco2says...

Casino Royale was Awesome.

Quantum of Solace was close to being good, but fricken ruined by shaky cam action sequences.

When will shaky cam die? It does not make it seem more urgent, does not lend suspense to the scene, just shows you don't know how to stage a good action scene.

Yogisays...

>> ^spoco2:

Casino Royale was Awesome.
Quantum of Solace was close to being good, but fricken ruined by shaky cam action sequences.
When will shaky cam die? It does not make it seem more urgent, does not lend suspense to the scene, just shows you don't know how to stage a good action scene.


I know sooo many people that hate shaky cam. They sometimes have to look away, they don't like it at all. I love it. I don't know why but using the camera like that, forcing me not to see a situation clearly makes it better for me. I guess because if someone framed a shot where I couldn't see one of the characters clearly or a fight was mostly out of shot it would just seem like artsy bullshit to me. With shaky cam they can control more or less what I see but also actually showing me the threat or what's going on.

Also when you have shaky cam...the next thing to use is the absence of shaky cam. Say in a war scene where suddenly things go silent and everything is still. I can understand not liking too much shaking, but the hand held camera thing I honestly think is a great idea, and I've never had motion sickness so it doesn't bother me at all. So you have guys like me to blame for shaky cam.

Yogisays...

>> ^DrNoodles:

Quantum of Solace was in my opinion one of the worst Bond films in a while. I absolutely love Casino Royale though!
I'm hoping this is good


The worst Bond film of the two that have recently come out? Because if you're comparing Quantum of Solace to say "Goldeneye" or "Thunderball" you're ridiculous. Bond films are notoriously awful and stupid. Seriously watch an old Bond film sometime, there's better acting in "Titanic 2".

spoco2says...

@Yogi If I have you to blame then...'DAAAAMN YOU!'.

I don't mind a little bit of moving camera, Private Ryan got it pretty good, there was the motion of the camera as if it were IN the scene, but not so much that you couldn't place all the people and what was happening.

My prime example of this?

The Bourne Indentity, first in serious. An AWESOME film, where the action scenes were nail biting, fantastically staged, and you could SEE what was happening, UNDERSTAND what was going on. Great film.

Next film, Bourne Supremacy. Had a great story, but I couldn't fricken STAND the action scenes, couldn't tell what was going on.

Compare this one from the Bourne Supremacy
with this one from the Bourne Identity

To me, the first one is confusing, a jumble of fast cuts and blurry movement. The second is nicely staged, has good beats, and lets you know what's going on.

I have to say that just watching them again then after not watching either movie for some time, the first one didn't annoy me as much as it did at the time, which is probably due to 2 things:
1) I'm getting used to the god forsaken effect.
&
2) It's not as painful on a small screen. Blow it up so it fills your vision and it's unbearable (which may be some of the problem, as looking at the shots on monitors means they don't get the full effect).


Also, people say that the opening car chase in QOS was awesome here it is, I contend it isn't. This isn't so much to do with shaky cam as it is with insanely quick cutting, never allowing the staging of the scene to be felt, just making it feel like it was edited by a hyperactive 2 year old.

Yogisays...

>> ^spoco2:

Also, people say that the opening car chase in QOS was awesome here it is, I contend it isn't. This isn't so much to do with shaky cam as it is with insanely quick cutting, never allowing the staging of the scene to be felt, just making it feel like it was edited by a hyperactive 2 year old.


I see openings like this as a way to introduce the characters or to jump into the story. Casino Royale started with a parkour chase which was definitely better than this car chase. But the car chase was more of a way to get the ball rolling I guess.

kymbossays...

Look, Casino Royale showed up twenty years of Bond films to be the mindless derivative drivel that they were.

The film reintroduced the darkness that was at the heart of Bond that hasn't been seen, arguably, since the death of Bond's just-married wife at the end of the highly underrated "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" (which coincidentally had the best soundtrack of all Bond films). That was in 1969.

Some would contend that Timothy Dalton captured the true essence of Bond's dark moodiness in his too-short stint as Bond in The Living Daylights and Licence to Kill - but he had the advantage of actually being able to act, a skill no one could accuse Pierce Brosnan of bringing to the franchise.

I believe that the Bourne films effectively modernised Bond and the franchise was forced to follow, after years of meandering aimlessly with Brosnan whose films retained a misplaced focus on gadgets and 'witty' lines. There is a place for these, but they superseded plot, character and genuine style. Product placement became too much of a cash cow as well (although I hear an agreement has been made to replace Bond's signature martini with Heineken in Skyfall).

Casino Royale returned Bond to his rightful place. Bourne is great, but he's no Bond. Compared to CR, Quantum of Solace was indeed inferior. But Yogi is right - it was way better than every Brosnan Bond film, which were total disappointments to genuine fans.

So there.

spoco2says...

>> ^Yogi:

>> ^spoco2:
Also, people say that the opening car chase in QOS was awesome here it is, I contend it isn't. This isn't so much to do with shaky cam as it is with insanely quick cutting, never allowing the staging of the scene to be felt, just making it feel like it was edited by a hyperactive 2 year old.

I see openings like this as a way to introduce the characters or to jump into the story. Casino Royale started with a parkour chase which was definitely better than this car chase. But the car chase was more of a way to get the ball rolling I guess.


That Parkour scene was a great demonstration on how to stage an action sequence in such a way that you saw everything. You saw that they were actually doing large portions of it in single runs, that it looked awesome and thrilling. That's exactly the sort of action scene I love. The quick cut, shaky cam style means they only have to shoot a second of the scene at a time, because that's as long as you see of anything before you cut to another angle.

ChaosEnginesays...

>> ^spoco2:

The Bourne Indentity, first in serious. An AWESOME film, where the action scenes were nail biting, fantastically staged, and you could SEE what was happening, UNDERSTAND what was going on. Great film.
Next film, Bourne Supremacy. Had a great story, but I couldn't fricken STAND the action scenes, couldn't tell what was going on.
Compare this one from the Bourne Supremacy
with this one from the Bourne Identity
To me, the first one is confusing, a jumble of fast cuts and blurry movement. The second is nicely staged, has good beats, and lets you know what's going on.


I guess it depends on the directors intention. I like both those fight scenes. The Bourne Identity lets me sit back and admire the craft of a well staged dance, but the second one feels more urgent, more real.

I haven't been in a real fight for a long time, but "a jumble of fast cuts and blurry movement" is a pretty accurate description of your perception in that kind of situation. You don't know what's going on, it's not staged and there are no good beats.

Supremacy and Ultimatum were both directed by Paul Greengrass, who has always followed a more documentary style approach to film making. Doug Liman, I guess has a more theatrical approach.
I feel there's room for both styles.

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