Hey! I thought we (America) got all the asshole drivers here. What's SHE doing over there?!

Wow, what the hell are these people actually doing that they are so scared about being filmed?

And once again, people treated others like shit, got caught on camera, it got on the web.

Now, if you go to the youtube page for this, you can find her name, her company, find that her company website is now down and she's been getting horrible phone calls.

And this is where things have gone all wrong and I wish internet 'vigilantes' would realize that they are destroying any high ground that there was by doing that.

You start of with a dick of a woman and a dick of a man escalating something that would have been boring as hell and probably not watched by more than the guy and his mates to something that demonstrates some real deep seated issues with the woman and her husband.

You show that online to show that it really isn't ok to go nuts about that, and if you're going to do something stupid in your car it's people's right to film you doing something stupid in your car.

BUT

To then start abusing her, giving out her and bringing down her website... well you've just become bigger dicks. You are doing EXACTLY what these two are, bullying and intimidating. You need to STOP this sort of shit... all you're going to do is make there be draconian laws that stop people being able to film anything, anywhere just to stop things like this.

>> ^spoco2:

And this is where things have gone all wrong and I wish internet 'vigilantes' would realize that they are destroying any high ground that there was by doing that.
You start of with a dick of a woman and a dick of a man escalating something that would have been boring as hell and probably not watched by more than the guy and his mates to something that demonstrates some real deep seated issues with the woman and her husband.
You show that online to show that it really isn't ok to go nuts about that, and if you're going to do something stupid in your car it's people's right to film you doing something stupid in your car.
BUT
To then start abusing her, giving out her and bringing down her website... well you've just become bigger dicks. You are doing EXACTLY what these two are, bullying and intimidating. You need to STOP this sort of shit... all you're going to do is make there be draconian laws that stop people being able to film anything, anywhere just to stop things like this.


Agreed. Let's get some perspective here; she may be an inconsiderate driver and an ignorant, self-important asshole, but she didn't kill anyone or even put a kitten in a bin. Abusive emails or phone calls are not ok.

OTOH, people are boycotting her business and posting bad reviews on google places. That, IMHO, is natural justice.

>> ^spoco2:

Wow, what the hell are these people actually doing that they are so scared about being filmed?
And once again, people treated others like shit, got caught on camera, it got on the web.
Now, if you go to the youtube page for this, you can find her name, her company, find that her company website is now down and she's been getting horrible phone calls.
And this is where things have gone all wrong and I wish internet 'vigilantes' would realize that they are destroying any high ground that there was by doing that.
You start of with a dick of a woman and a dick of a man escalating something that would have been boring as hell and probably not watched by more than the guy and his mates to something that demonstrates some real deep seated issues with the woman and her husband.
You show that online to show that it really isn't ok to go nuts about that, and if you're going to do something stupid in your car it's people's right to film you doing something stupid in your car.
BUT
To then start abusing her, giving out her and bringing down her website... well you've just become bigger dicks. You are doing EXACTLY what these two are, bullying and intimidating. You need to STOP this sort of shit... all you're going to do is make there be draconian laws that stop people being able to film anything, anywhere just to stop things like this.


I'd normally agree, but as far as i'm concerned, her bahaviour is fucking abnormal. The most she's going to get is a slap on the wrist, have to go to a few meetings maybe. Then she'll be poncing around again in her "auuuuudiiiiiii" blocking up streets again, and maybe she'll attempt to intimidate, falsely accuse, lie to, steal from, assault..... (did i miss any out?) people again from her high fucking perch.

I'm not going to say i approve, but i think she deserved a taste of her own medicine, perhaps she won't go around trying to scare people into doing what she wants now that she's been on the recieving end.

I accidentally downvoted your comment because i thought you were calling the filmer a dick, sorry, the wording is a bit confusing.

@dannym3141 : I think, as @ChaosEngine said, the extent of response to this should be to publicly out her as being a bitch, review down her store wherever possible, and boycott it.

But personal attacks are NOT OK. You don't stoop to their level, you just don't. As soon as you do that you've lost all moral high ground and devolved it all to a bloody school yard bullying match.

As I said, going to these lengths, and becoming abusive and hateful, will just make people start siding with her, start feeling pity for her and you've then lost.

*promote this for more discussion on the matter

Promoting this video and sending it back into the queue for one more try; last queued Wednesday, February 1st, 2012 12:32pm PST - promote requested by spoco2.

>> ^spoco2:

@dannym3141 : I think, as @ChaosEngine said, the extent of response to this should be to publicly out her as being a bitch, review down her store wherever possible, and boycott it.
But personal attacks are NOT OK. You don't stoop to their level, you just don't. As soon as you do that you've lost all moral high ground and devolved it all to a bloody school yard bullying match.
As I said, going to these lengths, and becoming abusive and hateful, will just make people start siding with her, start feeling pity for her and you've then lost.


Fair enough; i understand, but saying it again hasn't convinced me. I'm a fan of "a taste of your own medicine." However i agree that they don't know where to stop.

But when has anything been different? This could be in the paper or on the news, and no harder to trace the culprit. I've been able to figure out who's behind a local news story or two. Perhaps the people doing the bad stuff are immature; kids and stuff. How do you stop someone wanting to be malicious to others? Cos the internet's there now, there's no going back, it'll happen every time.

This smelly bitch (lots of other bad words I could send her way) is a psychopath. Her husband is probably just under her spell.

>> ^dannym3141:

Perhaps the people doing the bad stuff are immature; kids and stuff.
All the more reason to call them out on it.

>> ^dannym3141:

How do you stop someone wanting to be malicious to others? Cos the internet's there now, there's no going back, it'll happen every time.


So we just shrug and say "can't beat 'em, join 'em"? Yes, the internet is here and people use it to be assholes, but that doesn't mean we should accept it. There is a line, and making personal threats crosses it. It might be a cliché, but two wrongs still don't make a right.

If someone really wanted to "giver her a taste of her own medicine", they could park their car across her driveway.

Yes, she blocked the street. Big fucking deal. Yes she was an asshole, but the blocked drivers were delayed for what, 5-10 minutes?

I would think that when the guy has posted her name, number, and business, inciting people to harass the woman, he opened himself to prosecution or a lawsuit. Or some heavy retaliation. If I was directly responsible for kicking bread out of someone's mouth, I would be constantly looking over my shoulder.

>> ^longde:

Yes, she blocked the street. Big fucking deal. Yes she was an asshole, but the blocked drivers were delayed for what, 5-10 minutes?
I would think that when the guy has posted her name, number, and business, inciting people to harass the woman, he opened himself to prosecution or a lawsuit. Or some heavy retaliation. If I was directly responsible for kicking bread out of someone's mouth, I would be constantly looking over my shoulder.


Yea no big fuckin deal at all unless there is an emergency vehicle that needs to get by, or you are on your break and going back to work, or maybe going to pick your kid up from your asshole insignificant other. BUT BIG FUCKIN DEAL IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYWHERE TO BE AT THE MOMENT.

>> ^longde:

Yes, she blocked the street. Big fucking deal. Yes she was an asshole, but the blocked drivers were delayed for what, 5-10 minutes?


Yeah, and if she hadn't threatened to falsely accuse him of assaulting her, this probably would've gone away quietly. I don't think anyone really cares that she blocked the street.


>> ^longde:

I would think that when the guy has posted her name, number, and business, inciting people to harass the woman, he opened himself to prosecution or a lawsuit. Or some heavy retaliation. If I was directly responsible for kicking bread out of someone's mouth, I would be constantly looking over my shoulder.


Where did he "incite people to harass" her?
From the youtube description:
Sarah Duncan from SD Knitwear, Bath - www.sdkbath.com and her husband need to learn that they cannot interact with people in the way that they did in this video. I/we sincerely hope that Sarah Duncan and her husband are taught a lesson in Court for assault and perjury in stating that she will lie to the Police and claim assault against her!

Yes, he published her name and business, but he explicitly states he hopes she learns a lesson in court. There is zero basis for a lawsuit there.

As for "heavy retaliation", are you suggesting he should feel physically threatened? That's ridiculous.

I've already made my position clear on the threatening or abusive phone calls and emails, but if you're stupid enough to threaten someone with a false claim of assault while on camera, being mocked and ridiculed on youtube is exactly what you deserve.

"how dare you... im trying to get to my shop to deliver goods!" -- exxon valdez (and sarah)

There was no emergency vehicle.

It's not a big deal; and I hate to wait in traffic. If you think 10 minutes is a big deal, the problem with that attitude and this video is that people don't know how to keep things in perspective, and want to escalate everything into a mountain. What's next, honor killings 'cause I cut you off in traffic?
>> ^BoneRemake:

>> ^longde:
Yes, she blocked the street. Big fucking deal. Yes she was an asshole, but the blocked drivers were delayed for what, 5-10 minutes?
I would think that when the guy has posted her name, number, and business, inciting people to harass the woman, he opened himself to prosecution or a lawsuit. Or some heavy retaliation. If I was directly responsible for kicking bread out of someone's mouth, I would be constantly looking over my shoulder.

Yea no big fuckin deal at all unless there is an emergency vehicle that needs to get by, or you are on your break and going back to work, or maybe going to pick your kid up from your asshole insignificant other. BUT BIG FUCKIN DEAL IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYWHERE TO BE AT THE MOMENT.

May you be inconvenienced for 10 minutes many many times until YOU gain some perspective.......and half a brain.

>> ^longde:

There was no emergency vehicle.
It's not a big deal; and I hate to wait in traffic. If you think 10 minutes is a big deal, the problem with that attitude and this video is that people don't know how to keep things in perspective, and want to escalate everything into a mountain. What's next, honor killings 'cause I cut you off in traffic?
>> ^BoneRemake:
>> ^longde:
Yes, she blocked the street. Big fucking deal. Yes she was an asshole, but the blocked drivers were delayed for what, 5-10 minutes?
I would think that when the guy has posted her name, number, and business, inciting people to harass the woman, he opened himself to prosecution or a lawsuit. Or some heavy retaliation. If I was directly responsible for kicking bread out of someone's mouth, I would be constantly looking over my shoulder.

Yea no big fuckin deal at all unless there is an emergency vehicle that needs to get by, or you are on your break and going back to work, or maybe going to pick your kid up from your asshole insignificant other. BUT BIG FUCKIN DEAL IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYWHERE TO BE AT THE MOMENT.

I am quite used to gridlock and delay and have learned to take it in stride. I live and work in areas where it takes an hour to go 1 mile at peak rush hour. I regularly get held up for an hour or more. Two days ago, on a layover on a 30 hour flight, our plane was delayed for 50 minutes.

To only be inconvenienced for 10 minutes at a time would actually be a great improvement.

So, thank you for your ironic wish. I in turn sincerely hope you develop some patience and fortitude.>> ^Confucius:

May you be inconvenienced for 10 minutes many many times until YOU gain some perspective.......and half a brain.
>> ^longde:
There was no emergency vehicle.
It's not a big deal; and I hate to wait in traffic. If you think 10 minutes is a big deal, the problem with that attitude and this video is that people don't know how to keep things in perspective, and want to escalate everything into a mountain. What's next, honor killings 'cause I cut you off in traffic?
>> ^BoneRemake:
>> ^longde:
Yes, she blocked the street. Big fucking deal. Yes she was an asshole, but the blocked drivers were delayed for what, 5-10 minutes?
I would think that when the guy has posted her name, number, and business, inciting people to harass the woman, he opened himself to prosecution or a lawsuit. Or some heavy retaliation. If I was directly responsible for kicking bread out of someone's mouth, I would be constantly looking over my shoulder.

Yea no big fuckin deal at all unless there is an emergency vehicle that needs to get by, or you are on your break and going back to work, or maybe going to pick your kid up from your asshole insignificant other. BUT BIG FUCKIN DEAL IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYWHERE TO BE AT THE MOMENT.

But see...dum dum...we're not talking about you. Stop thinking about only yourself. Expand your mind to other people and adopt THEIR perspective. Stop being selfish and narrow minded.

You said that that it doesnt matter because there were no emergency vehicles at the moment. REALLY??? What if there were? What if there are the next time?

It sounds like you're encouraging people to do this. Who gives YOU or HER the right to impose themselves on you or others? Can you imagine if someone did this to her and caused her delay?

Why is it okay for her to do this? Because it only inconveniences ppl for 10 mins? REALLY?

You dont think EVERYONE wants to just park wherever tf they want to? I feel like im talking to a third grader....If she in your weirdo world can do it then everyone should be able to do it. Then there would be no traffic problem AT ALL because the city would be one giant parking lot. No inconvenience then because there wouldnt even be a point in getting in your car.

This could go on forever. This is my last post on this vid.

>> ^longde:

I am quite used to gridlock and delay and have learned to take it in stride. I live and work in areas where it takes an hour to go 1 mile at peak rush hour. I regularly get held up for an hour or more. Two days ago, on a layover on a 30 hour flight, our plane was delayed for 50 minutes.
To only be inconvenienced for 10 minutes at a time would actually be a great improvement.
So, thank you for your ironic wish. I in turn sincerely hope you develop some patience and fortitude.>> ^Confucius:
May you be inconvenienced for 10 minutes many many times until YOU gain some perspective.......and half a brain.
>> ^longde:
There was no emergency vehicle.
It's not a big deal; and I hate to wait in traffic. If you think 10 minutes is a big deal, the problem with that attitude and this video is that people don't know how to keep things in perspective, and want to escalate everything into a mountain. What's next, honor killings 'cause I cut you off in traffic?
>> ^BoneRemake:
>> ^longde:
Yes, she blocked the street. Big fucking deal. Yes she was an asshole, but the blocked drivers were delayed for what, 5-10 minutes?
I would think that when the guy has posted her name, number, and business, inciting people to harass the woman, he opened himself to prosecution or a lawsuit. Or some heavy retaliation. If I was directly responsible for kicking bread out of someone's mouth, I would be constantly looking over my shoulder.

Yea no big fuckin deal at all unless there is an emergency vehicle that needs to get by, or you are on your break and going back to work, or maybe going to pick your kid up from your asshole insignificant other. BUT BIG FUCKIN DEAL IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYWHERE TO BE AT THE MOMENT.

That's funny. That's what I was I was asking you to do: expand your perspective. Another ironic post. You're making my point for me, by becoming so irate over something so small and petty. And getting angry over hypotheticals like an emergency vehicle.

>> ^Confucius:

But see...dum dum...we're not talking about you. Stop thinking about only yourself. Expand your mind to other people and adopt THEIR perspective. Stop being selfish and narrow minded.

90% Probability

His point and I think THE point of this video is that her behaviour can in no way be universalised. No one can park where ever they like regardless of the impact. If they did then there would not be gridlock. There would be parklock.

Hypotheticals enable us to imagine consequences of our actions and are therefore important when considering what is right and wrong. Suppose another decided to do what she did, right next to her. Road is closed. Longe says "That's ok man. They might have had something important to do. Its ok that they think that their event is so much more important than so many others because hey, it probably is. I mean, think of other people"

Driving, like society at large, is about a social contract not to be douches to each other. This woman violated it many times over with potentially dangerous consequences and was indignant about being held accountable.

whoa whoa whoa.....where did I say what she did is OK?
>> ^Kofi:

His point and I think THE point of this video is that her behaviour can in no way be universalised. No one can park where ever they like regardless of the impact. If they did then there would not be gridlock. There would be parklock.
Hypotheticals enable us to imagine consequences of our actions and are therefore important when considering what is right and wrong. Suppose another decided to do what she did, right next to her. Road is closed. Longe says "That's ok man. They might have had something important to do. Its ok that they think that their event is so much more important than so many others because hey, it probably is. I mean, think of other people"
Driving, like society at large, is about a social contract not to be douches to each other. This woman violated it many times over with potentially dangerous consequences and was indignant about being held accountable.

@ChaosEngine

At what point did i "join em"? I said i don't approve, but that i'm not upset over a fucking manipulative, aggressive, posh, entitled little cunt getting a bit of come uppance. There's not enough karmic justice in this universe.

Perhaps i make exceptions for people like this because i think they make this country into a terrible place to live and they're multiplying by the day. But remember this - if she hadn't been a cunt, none of this would have happened. Her crime is NOT parking across the street, but chasing, intimidating, assaulting, and causing others to assault, and there's probably a few more in there as well. Attempted theft springs to mind. So if you want to give her a taste of that then parking your car across her drive as you suggest is merely a good start.

If this were a child molester i think the sway of opinion would be heavily on my side so the real question is where do you draw the line? I draw it roughly where she is. I *detest* people like that; i'm sure it does cloud my vision, but please don't accuse me of joining them, because that's an outright falsehood and a little bit insulting to suggest that i'd make threatening phone calls, etc. I think you may have let an emotional reaction dictate your assessment of what i said.

I honestly think seeing people in a so called higher strata than regular people. Ya know all our politicians and the CEOs of major corporations or even professional athletes. To see them acting like complete and utter bastards when they get caught just keep fucking lying or deflecting and try to wriggle out of a situation that is completely their own fault. Seeing that has had an effect on all us regular people. Now anyone who does something bad just doubles down...there's no "Eh ya got me I was just trying to do something I'm sorry I inconvenienced you or didn't think about anyone else but myself."

This is sort of like that story that came out that college kids were constantly cheating all over the place and apparently it was because they saw everyone else cheating. Now I don't know if any of that is true and I'm sure bastards have always existed...but it seems like this doubling down thing is getting more crazy. Or perhaps I'm just crazy.

>> ^dannym3141:

At what point did i "join em"? I said i don't approve, but that i'm not upset over a fucking manipulative, aggressive, posh, entitled little cunt getting a bit of come uppance. There's not enough karmic justice in this universe.
I never claimed you said "join 'em". I asked if joining them was a valid alternative to condemning them.


>> ^dannym3141:

Her crime is NOT parking across the street, but chasing, intimidating, assaulting, and causing others to assault, and there's probably a few more in there as well.
Agreed.


>> ^dannym3141:

If this were a child molester i think the sway of opinion would be heavily on my side so the real question is where do you draw the line? I draw it roughly where she is.

You missed my point. The line I draw is not related to her actions, it is related to ours. I'm fine for people to boycott her shop, mock her on the web and so on, but I think abusive phone calls are a step too far. Bringing child abuse into the discussion does nothing but add emotion, but I would say that if her crime was that serious, it's a matter for the police. The question of abusive phone calls doesn't even come into it.

>> ^dannym3141:

I detest people like that; i'm sure it does cloud my vision, but please don't accuse me of joining them, because that's an outright falsehood and a little bit insulting to suggest that i'd make threatening phone calls, etc.

Again, I never accused you of any such thing. For reference:
>> ^ChaosEngine:

So we just shrug and say "can't beat 'em, join 'em"? Yes, the internet is here and people use it to be assholes, but that doesn't mean we should accept it. There is a line, and making personal threats crosses it. It might be a cliché, but two wrongs still don't make a right.
If someone really wanted to "giver her a taste of her own medicine", they could park their car across her driveway.


In fact, as I was writing that I specifically went out of my way to use neutral language ("if someone wanted, they could") for that very reason.

>> ^dannym3141:

I think you may have let an emotional reaction dictate your assessment of what i said.


Re-read the last quoted paragraph and tell me again who's being emotional.


So to sum up:
She's a silly bitch.
I'm glad she got caught on tape.
I'm glad people are boycotting her business and taking the piss out of her.
I don't approve of threatening phone calls/emails.
I don't believe you would do something like that either.

@ChaosEngine - ah, my mistake. I think you've gone a bit overboard in your last post though, as i think your words can easily be misconstrued to mean that join them is the ONLY option (which is the source of the misunderstanding).

My opinion of this woman is certainly emotional - it can't be anything else by definition. But how i spoke to you certainly wasn't emotional and i would like to think that you'll see that it was a misunderstanding, i also used selective language to avoid that impression

I mean, all i said was "When did i join em?" (oop, and the last line) so i hope you don't think there was some tirade in there against you. The rest was all unrelated and in reference to our disagreement over how much "rough justice" we're willing to allow

... jeez, what a bitch.




END OF STORY! relax everybody, I mean come-on.

No big deal if it was a one-off. Do you really think that this is the only time in her life that she's been a self-important asshole? She showed an incredible lack of ability to understand the feelings and needs of other people. I'm of two minds as to whether she deserves any moral consideration at all. One the one hand, she's a person, but on the other hand, she's probably a genuine psychopath incapable of empathy, so what's the point in giving her any?>> ^longde:

Yes, she blocked the street. Big fucking deal. Yes she was an asshole, but the blocked drivers were delayed for what, 5-10 minutes?
I would think that when the guy has posted her name, number, and business, inciting people to harass the woman, he opened himself to prosecution or a lawsuit. Or some heavy retaliation. If I was directly responsible for kicking bread out of someone's mouth, I would be constantly looking over my shoulder.

>> ^budzos:
This smelly bitch (lots of other bad words I could send her way) is a psychopath. Her husband is probably just under her spell.


What is more likely is that she's just a normal person who had a shitty start to her day which put her in a bad mood and exacerbated her stress levels. Psychopath generally applies to people who do not feel guilty about behaving in a violent or antisocial manner, I bet this woman felt guilty as hell afterwards but probably doesn't remember feeling guilty now she's being harassed by phone and email.

I certainly don't agree with her behaviour but I do understand that people do shitty things they regret when under stress or are having a bad day (or week, or month, or in some cases just a bad life).

I'm not her judge. I'm as troubled by the self righteous people who are arrogant enough to believe they are judge, jury and executioner of anyone, even a flagrant ass.

I don't think anyone in the world has escaped being a total prick at one time or another.

>> ^messenger:

No big deal if it was a one-off. Do you really think that this is the only time in her life that she's been a self-important asshole? She showed an incredible lack of ability to understand the feelings and needs of other people. I'm of two minds as to whether she deserves any moral consideration at all. One the one hand, she's a person, but on the other hand, she's probably a genuine psychopath incapable of empathy, so what's the point in giving her any?>> ^longde:
Yes, she blocked the street. Big fucking deal. Yes she was an asshole, but the blocked drivers were delayed for what, 5-10 minutes?
I would think that when the guy has posted her name, number, and business, inciting people to harass the woman, he opened himself to prosecution or a lawsuit. Or some heavy retaliation. If I was directly responsible for kicking bread out of someone's mouth, I would be constantly looking over my shoulder.

So, she started the encounter by doing something extremely annoying and illegal, got caught doing it on video tape. Then FOLLOWED the guy who caught her, bringing her husband along. They put their hands on the guy AND threatened to file false charges against him. And all of this got caught on tape.

And the guy posted the video online and people are arguing that she shouldn't be identified because someone might make a threatening phone call to her. Where this woman and her husband FOLLOWED the guy down the block and threatened him.

This is the kind of mentality that allows criminal activity to take root in your neighborhood. It's not this guys job to protect her from what her words and actions incite in others. Maybe there's a better way to release the info, but we don't know if he went to the police with it and was ignored or if he felt she just deserved it to be made public because she has a pattern of behavior.

You know she'd be raging if you parked your car on the sidewalk so no one could get into her shop.

If the guy wants justice, why not file charges against the woman? He has gobs of evidence. Throwing someone to the mob isn't justice.

"Why are you taping us?"

So I can post it on YouTube and point out how stupid of a driver you are so we can all laugh at you.

>> ^longde:

If the guy wants justice, why not file charges against the woman? He has gobs of evidence. Throwing someone to the mob isn't justice.


This would have been a really dumb video if he just had the car parked sideways in the street, because we'd all assume it was just some entitled piece of shit that felt they could do as they please. Even if they could have identified her or he if posted her info and said that was her car......people wouldn't have reacted.

They basically came out and confirmed that they were entitled pieces of shit, removing any and all doubt. She and her husband threatened the guy, after obviously violating traffic laws doing something most people would never consider doing.

The guy on the receiving end of their threats is not "throwing them to the mob" by posting the evidence of those threats in a public forum. If people react extremely to evidence of those actions, it's not the victims fault.

This falls under the "all choices have consequences, known and unknown" category. Lady could have let the authorities tow her car, never exposing her identity to the guy filming the vehicle......paid the fines and guy would probably have never identified her. She could have just driven off and decided that parking across the street blocking traffic flow probably wasn't a very smart thing to do. But she got out and confronted the guy, like HE was doing something wrong.

While this is not as severe a crime, it's akin to blaming the rape victim for pointing a finger at the rapist after they've gotten their evidence.....because the rapist might suffer hardship for being identified and all the evidence confirms he did it. The video tape, assuming it's not doctored leaves no doubt as to what the crimes being committed were, by whom, and how far they were willing to go to keep their accuser quiet (at least on video, who knows what they did to him before, after, or will do).

It's really not anyone's job to help people hide their bad behavior from the public eye, whether it's illegal or not.