Tags for this video have been changed from 'thinking, atheist, Jewish, Kosher, Oven, work, Tweaker, You Gotta Be Shittin Me' to 'thinking, atheist, Jewish, Judaism, Kosher, Oven, work, Tweaker, You Gotta Be Shittin Me' - edited by kronosposeidon

Wow, what a total lack of context!

Insanity needs context?

So putting the food in the oven isn't called a task, I gotta read more abut this, because how can you do anything without breaking the "code". I bet this commandment gets broken a lot.

Generally folks stick to a list of unacceptable activities, http://www.jewfaq.org/shabbat.htm lists the 39 generally forbidden actions.

While most reformed jews don't follow these rules, they sometimes argue that the reason that these actions were forbidden is because they require concentration, such as starting a fire did three thousand years ago. Obviously , due to advances in technology, many of these things now require hardly any thought at all, certainly not as much as keeping a fire burning, which is an acceptable sabbath activity.

What an annoyingly obnoxious, snarky, mean-spirited little video. Stuff like this is why people tend to dislike atheists (aside from the not believing in a god issue). Who the fuck cares what other people do or believe in when they do it in their own homes?

^Because people with these ridiculous belief systems are the ones responsible for so much of what's wrong in the world. Ultra-orthodox Jews, fundamentalist Christians, radical Muslims, militant Hindus, etc. are responsible for so much violence, suffering, and human rights abuses. To show the absurdity of their beliefs will hopefully make others question why anyone should listen to these nutjobs in the first place.

If all they were doing is stupid shit in their kitchens then I wouldn't give a fuck, nor would most others. But when many of these same people want to push every last Palestinian out of their 'promised land' because in the Bible it says God gave it to THEM, then we have a problem.

Then why not submit a video about the dangerous aspect of religion, instead of one that childishly attacks their "wacky" beliefs? Jews choosing not to do anything on the Sabbath isn't actually creating problems in the world. I don't see the point of this video, other than to make fun.

^Tons of videos have been submitted here about the dangerous aspects of religion. This video helps bolster the assertion that all religions are wacky, from the most serious issues to the most mundane, and thus they are not worthy of influencing our opinions. Maybe you don't take that away from viewing this video, but I do.

I really wish I could quadruple upvote your comments, KP.

For me, I was never indoctrinated into theism, but I began to realize, without the foggy glasses of spirituality on, what fucked up shit occurs to people because of belief in God(s), and that their fucked up nonsense absolutely affects us all. We should all be outraged by all of it, yet non-theists are supposedly the minority. So we mock, because we can (we're the ones with any evidence), it is stupidity worthy of being mocked, and as a reaction to their forcing their idiocy upon us.

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Double-Promoting this video back to the front page; last published Saturday, May 22nd, 2010 10:34pm PDT - doublepromote requested by kronosposeidon.

Shut the FUCK up, Donny!

Newsflash, Jews are crazy too. Right, @demon_ix?

>> ^IronDwarf:

Jews choosing not to do anything on the Sabbath isn't actually creating problems in the world. I don't see the point of this video, other than to make fun.



Whoa. Wow. Omg. Is that you Sherlock?!?!

Like Kronos and Sketch said.

The video mocks the stupidity/absurdity of this particular belief to show the stupidity/absurdity of the rest of their beliefs.

You seriously don't see the troubled delusional logic of designing an oven that overrides a SAFETY feature only because you're afraid of offending an imaginary divinity?!

Yes, I can see the stupidity in it; my beef was with the mean-spiritedness of the video. The fact that the Jews do this has no affect on me or anyone else, so why bother to attack such a small aspect of their religion (which not all of them follow anyway)? Is it just to nitpick and cry out "LOL JEWS!"?

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:


Whoa. Wow. Omg. Is that you Sherlock?!?!
Like Kronos and Sketch said.
The video mocks the stupidity/absurdity of this particular belief to show the stupidity/absurdity of the rest of their beliefs.
You seriously don't see the troubled delusional logic of designing an oven that overrides a SAFETY feature only because you're afraid of offending an imaginary divinity?!

Now I know why "certified Kosher" catering cost twice as much...
those Special K ovens ain't cheap!

>> ^dgandhi:

Generally folks stick to a list of unacceptable activities, http://www.jewfaq.org/shabbat.htm lists the 39 generally forbidden actions.


Check out activity #9 from the list.....

It's not mean-spirited to ask a person why they would bother appeasing an infinite, omnipotent supreme being by purchasing an oven with "Sabbath Mode."

Also, I prefer my oven in Black Sabbath mode. That's when it cooks the food with the power of metal.

>> ^IronDwarf:

Yes, I can see the stupidity in it; my beef was with the mean-spiritedness of the video. The fact that the Jews do this has no affect on me or anyone else, so why bother to attack such a small aspect of their religion (which not all of them follow anyway)? Is it just to nitpick and cry out "LOL JEWS!"?

If that was the only absurd belief Jews held and their religiosity never harmed anyone. You would have a valid point.

But you have to understand the implications of such a belief in a larger social context.

It's not -
Lol Jews and their one particularly wacky religious superstition. PWNED

It's -
Wtf?! Jews believe superstition is more important than safety?!
How prevalent is this belief? 1.5 million Wha?!
Wait.. So this is just one minor belief. Are the others as.. *research research* OH damn.

The video is informative. It's meant to give the general public insight into the mindset of a particular religion or way of thinking.

In this video the mindset is Judaism. In another it's scientology.
Will you defend those flagrantly absurd superstitions as well?

"The fact that scientologist perform life-long obligatory "auditing" in their highly secretive HQ/compound has no effect on me or anyone else, so why.."

I just voiced my opinion on the video, why the fuck are you (and others) jumping down my throat about it? Isn't this site about sharing opinions on stuff like this? I see the video as mean-spirited in its approach; I think it could have gone about giving that information in a different way. That's all I'm saying.

Magic is real.. nuff said.

>> ^IronDwarf:

I just voiced my opinion on the video, why the fuck are you (and others) jumping down my throat about it? Isn't this site about sharing opinions on stuff like this? I see the video as mean-spirited in its approach; I think it could have gone about giving that information in a different way. That's all I'm saying.


Yeah, it's about voicing opinions, but the thing about opinions is that they vary, and then come the debates.

Don't take this too seriously, or you'll end up getting frustrated and pissed off, much like you seem to be.

The reason things like this matters, as your original post asks, is because things like this used to affect ALL of society. There was a time where all stores were closed on sundays because it was "Gods day". Civilized life came to a screeching halt, businesses were not open because they spent the day at home worshiping.

Wheras things like this may seem mundane, or trivial, in actuality it can be problematic.

Fortunately, we've now moved past things like Sabbath, and "Gods Day" and those of whatever faith aren't held at the mercy of something they may or may not believe in.

You know, I could say the same about everyone else who is getting their panties in a twist over something that other people do in the privacy of their own homes by literally doing nothing at all one day a week. Beyond that one aspect, I have opinions similar to the rest of people who have posted here regarding religion. I just find it strange that there seems to be so much anger over this silly, insignificant detail of one religion that affects no one else directly.

>> ^Shepppard:

>> ^IronDwarf:
I just voiced my opinion on the video, why the fuck are you (and others) jumping down my throat about it? Isn't this site about sharing opinions on stuff like this? I see the video as mean-spirited in its approach; I think it could have gone about giving that information in a different way. That's all I'm saying.

Yeah, it's about voicing opinions, but the thing about opinions is that they vary, and then come the debates.
Don't take this too seriously, or you'll end up getting frustrated and pissed off, much like you seem to be.
The reason things like this matters, as your original post asks, is because things like this used to affect ALL of society. There was a time where all stores were closed on sundays because it was "Gods day". Civilized life came to a screeching halt, businesses were not open because they spent the day at home worshiping.
Wheras things like this may seem mundane, or trivial, in actuality it can be problematic.
Fortunately, we've now moved past things like Sabbath, and "Gods Day" and those of whatever faith aren't held at the mercy of something they may or may not believe in.

I'm with IronDwarf here. There are many things that people can be angry about with religion, but taking one day off a week is not one of them. As a mater of fact, the reason we have the weekends off at all is largely due to this crazy commandment to remember the sabbath

I'm speaking for myself, but I think we Sifting atheists tend to be, perhaps, a little hyper-sensitive to the atrocities caused by the religious. Probably because we are so well exposed to a wide variety of media specifically on the Sift. So when we see one stupid practice which, in theory, doesn't seem to harm anything (arguable), we are also reminded of the reverence for the genocidal mania of Moses, or the plight of Palestinians being ousted from their homes just because a strip of land is considered holy, promised only to God's "chosen people" (with a name like that you are just asking for people to hate you), and that our country supports that action financially. These are much larger, and grayer, issues than a simple dial on an oven, but they are all symptomatic of the larger disease that is religion. So we mock, because we can't really do much else. And we tend to do it with all religions, because they are all pretty horrific.

^exactly! =]

@IronDwarf
Sorry if felt like the third degree but..
1. it's videosift. heh =]

2. your first comment kinda makes you sound like an ignorant anti-atheist fundie (one who can't or won't connect this with the larger problems these beliefs cause).

I think we [a/anti-theist] roll pretty deep on the sift. Fervent discussion is to be expected on videos like these.
So no hard feelings, eh?

cheers. =P

Let me assure you, @IronDwarf, that the vast majority of the atheists reading and/or commenting in this discussion understand what you are saying.

The issue is that the majority of us have built up a moral stance wherein we cannot turn a blind eye to the (arguably) harmless aspects of a religion while that same religion causes serious harm to our world and to humanity as a whole. All aspects of religion must be ridiculed as even religious moderates stand in the way of rationalism and humanism and would happily lead us into a new Dark Age if they could.

Are Jews free to remember the sabbath in the privacy of their own homes by doing nothing? Yes. Are we free to ridicule it to ensure people realize just how petty their "god" sounds? Absolutely.

I love you guys.

so how is it that if a stoner follows the "do nothing all day" rule, they are called lazy, but when a religious nutbag follows it, they are called pious?

Wow, this went on for quite a while before I noticed
Yes, Jews are fucked up. We are. There's no denying that. But to me it's on par with Muslims not drinking alcohol or eating pork, Christians giving up stuff for 40 days (Lent, it's called?), Hindus not touching cows and so on.

Yeah, religious Jews don't drive on Saturdays. They don't turn on lights, don't use computers and so on. The thing that's forbidden here is lighting a fire, and using electronics is close enough for them to include it.

So, my grandmother uses a hot-plate that she sets up on Friday, making Hamin which takes a day or so to cook. And my neighbors at my old apartment don't drive on Saturdays and give me funny looks when I do. And my grandfather's street is closed off on Saturdays, because there's a Synagogue there.

So fucking what? Are these customs really that bad that you need to start comparing them to Scientology or bring up the Palestinians (because of course, Jews are not cooking on Saturdays because we're secretly planning to exterminate them?). I guess if this goes on long enough, someone will say something about Nazis, right?

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There are plenty of things wrong with religion in general and Judaism in particular. Observing Saturdays isn't one of them. So please, think a little more about the silly comments here, and grow the fuck up.

^I mentioned the Palestinians because it's the same set of ridiculous dogmatic religious beliefs that lead some people to treat them as second-class citizens. Not Godwinization, not even anti-Semitism. Never said that not cooking on Saturdays = extermination of Palestinians. Please reread what I wrote.

>> ^IronDwarf:

Then why not submit a video about the dangerous aspect of religion, instead of one that childishly attacks their "wacky" beliefs? Jews choosing not to do anything on the Sabbath isn't actually creating problems in the world. I don't see the point of this video, other than to make fun.

cuz it's fun. Why not poke fun at everything that's stupid? Who cares if people dislike atheists? These are the same people that believe in magic...their opinions don't matter.

Oh and if this video is true, I'd say it's more insane that people are making a niche dollar off of technicalities in someone's beliefs. I could buy the whole list of things you can't do on the sabbath. Not that it is something I would subscribe to, but in the context of their religion, sure, it makes sense.

Rottenseed, there is no need to wonder the IF of this video. I bought a very nice whirlpool range and it malfunctioned into SABBATH mode - staying at about 200 degrees for 3 days. None of the buttons responded and the display simply said SABBATH. I was afraid it was god trying to burn down my atheist abode- then I just turned the breaker off.

>> ^IronDwarf:

I just voiced my opinion on the video, why the fuck are you (and others) jumping down my throat about it? Isn't this site about sharing opinions on stuff like this? I see the video as mean-spirited in its approach; I think it could have gone about giving that information in a different way. That's all I'm saying.


Keep fighting your good fight, ID. Respek.

I see a lot of *comedy in the commercialization of this religious tradition and the many ways there are, apparently, to subvert them without pissing off God, but that doesn't mean I'm going to cross Jewish people off my Christmas card list or anything. If you really want to observe these antiquated religious traditions, then don't use your fracking stove, otherwise just go ahead and make yourself a tasty roast. If I were God, I would want nothing more for you than to enjoy a tasty roast on my day off.

Tasty Roast > Not Using Your Oven.

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>> ^spawnflagger:
>> ^dgandhi:
Generally folks stick to a list of unacceptable activities,

Check out activity #9 from the list.....


WEWT! WEWT! GATHER UP YOUR WAR PIGS WE'RE ALL HEADIN' TO HELL ON THE CRAZY TRAIN!

If snarky, offensive videos like this didn't exist, we wouldn't know about these wacky machines. This is awesome! Torah Technologies! I want one.

I don't see this video in the same light you do. This isn't condemning their actions (or lack thereof); it's just saying "Holy shit! Really?" There's nothing wrong with that.

I completely agree that people should be free to do whatever in their own homes, but I'm also free to think it's ridiculous.

>> ^IronDwarf:

What an annoyingly obnoxious, snarky, mean-spirited little video. Stuff like this is why people tend to dislike atheists (aside from the not believing in a god issue). Who the fuck cares what other people do or believe in when they do it in their own homes?

My father is a carpenter and does quite a bit of work for orthodox Jews in the area. They generally are very happy to discuss and explain these oddities and a lot of them seem to think they're as ridiculous as we do but honor them as tradition.

There was a plumber at one house while my dad was working and they got talking a bit. The plumber explained that he spends a lot of time during the summer (most of these families live in NYC and only spend summers here) unclogging toilets at Jewish homes. Why? Because you can't tear toilet paper on the Sabbath.

You can use toilet paper, but you can't tear it off the roll. Many Jewish families will tear off a bunch of it ahead of time but others will use tissues instead, and therein lies the problem. Toilet paper breaks down rapidly when wet, but tissues don't.

Jews are forbidden from "transferring between domains" on the Sabbath; basically you can't bring something from inside to outside or vice-versa. In order to get around this, they construct Eruv: usually (around here) 10' tall 2x2" poles with string tied between them, encircling the yard. Magic string makes your yard part of your house, so now you can carry stuff around all you want. In an extreme example, one of the Hasidic camps near my job constructed a pathway that was visible from the road for a mile or so before going over a hill. I have no idea where it ultimately went.

What makes all this so ridiculous to me is that these are loopholes. Why seek out loopholes in the commands of your beloved, benevolent God? I would think you would be happy and willing to adhere. Cheating the system is for oppressive systems that you don't believe in. It's a rebellious action to find loopholes in a law.

^ Right? Like an all-powerful, omniscient God isn't going to know that you are attempting to trick him by circumventing His laws. I'm pretty sure The Dude is going to figure it out.