blah, this isn't a real debate, more of a one sided argument with an emotinal person and a level headed one.

Sex isn't something that is happening in school, so it isn't something schools should be providing goods and services for. What's next, a shopping center for every school? School's shouldn't be in the business of providing anything but education to student's in my opinion. If they want to buy some at a store, no one should stop them, but a school isn't a place for sex, and it shouldn't be providing anything but educational materials. Why are my tax dollars going to condoms? Anyone on the other side of this issue to point some light in my direction?

^So that your tax dollars don't have to provide assistance to low-income single mothers. I think a twelve-pack of condoms is a little cheaper.

While I fully agree that schools should have a full sex ed class, and/or have condoms available, I do NOT agree with schools giving out the pill or other stuff like that. It's a medication. Why should that be the only one minors are allowed to get without parents knowing about it?

I don't want to hear this "Well boys can just go to the store and buy condoms" shit either.
Who ever said girls can't?

Kids not having sex at school?

hahahahahahahahahahaha

As if it matters in this asinine society.

"No mom, dad, we're not having sex."

Let's all just pretend, and that will make it better.

It's worked so well in the past.

Condoms or Falcon punch, you decide.

"Why are my tax dollars going to condoms?"
Firstly, the government will be getting massively discounted condoms, they cost pennies per box, so really the argument that your tax money is paying for them is weak.

"Sex isn't something that is happening in school, so it isn't something schools should be providing goods and services for."
It would probably be best to take a few seconds to think your comments through before you share them. School is exactly where it's all happening. Maybe not physically (although frequently this is the case) but this is where it all starts. Hormones raging, sex through media everywhere, wanting to feel part of the crowd, peer pressure the list goes on and on.

"...and it shouldn't be providing anything but educational materials."
Sex and relationship education is vital for a young persons physical and emotional wellbeing. I'm not going to argue the point of that right now, it's been done to death. One thing I do think though, is that teachers shouldn't be the people delivering sex ed or handing out condoms. It should be a specialist subject and either they should bring independent services in to deliver it, or they should have a teacher who is trained thoroughly and believes in it themself. Because it's not something that anyone can do, it takes knowledge, passion and a very broad minded personality to talk about this subject with young people on every level that's required for the content to ever be respected by them.

"I don't want to hear this "Well boys can just go to the store and buy condoms" shit either.
Who ever said girls can't?"
No-one ever said girls can't, and that's a great point, they should absolutely be encouraged to buy/carry condoms too. But seeing as it's the girls who are the ones who are at risk of pregnancy and the pill is all this will prevent, it should be something they can access. There is no evidence to say that the contraceptive pill has any side effects if you take them younger, probably no worse off than that the rare kid who has an allergy to latex. In fact they are regularly prescribed to combat difficult and painful periods by doctors in young women anyway.

Bottom line, educate your children about this any way you can. Deal with the fact they may not listen to your advice. Prepare them if they don't. No-one is saying that early sexual encounters are ok, but they'll happen anyway no matter how much you try and brush it under the carpet.

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I 2nd:

>> ^anyprophet:
Kids not having sex at school?
hahahahahahahahahahaha


I dont know what perfect school others went to but i went to a public school and that is where majority of the people i grew up with experimented and explored their sexuality. If its a place for education, then educate them about how to be smarter about it.

>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
Sex isn't something that is happening in school

Translation: I NEVER HAD SEX IN SCHOOL! ...or since

>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
Sex isn't something that is happening in school

Translation: I NEVER HAD SEX IN SCHOOL! ...or since


Blah, way to be a jerk and not stay on topic.

I shall be a little more clear with what I am saying as I think my message got lost in peoples spin on doing the hibbidy dibidy all the live long day.

Books, teachers, science labs, paper, pens, are part of the education process provided by the state. Having sex in the middle of the class is not. While sex education is a must, having sex in school is not on the curiculum as far as the state should be involved in. IE, condoms are not a pen, a book or any other tool used in forging the mind.

Like some have pointed out (tackfully unlike the nice person above), sex is part of the natural social evolution of a person. Right, but that isn't the focus of the classroom. Schools are for classes and expanding your mind, that is what the state is supposed to be providing. I have problem no problem with my taxes going to books and pens and things that are developing the young minds of tomorrow. But I have a problem with my tax dollars sponcering another childs sex life and/or other social, non-education things (recreational sex is not educational sex . I would be just as against schools providing some sort of free music program on the government dime on the logic that music is needed for a well devolped social mind.

I also don't preach ignorance or being unprepaired, I am just against paying for it on the government ticket. Schools shouldn't be in the business of providing anything but education. If someone can show me how a condom is an education device, besides maybe just learning how to put one on, then I will be convinced, otherwise, it is the school system trying to be more than it is roled to be. This isn't a night club, this is a school. Sex may happen on campus, that is not what I was saying at all, what I am saying is that is the subject of social interaction and not the domain of the school to provide materials for out of our tax budget. Once again, if someone can show how a condom is like a pen (hahaha don't go there), then I'll be more adpt to listen, but so far it seems like "ehh why not" kinda arguments? Perhaps I misunderstood yall as much as yall did me

And if they are just giving them away, then it should be avalible for all citizens everywhere, not just kids...and I would be against funding my fellow americans sex needs in the same way I am against this

Thanks everyone for your respectful comments...minus one


edit: And did no one else think that the video was totally biased? The lady arguing for the side of schools not providing for that thing had some very unconvincing speaking methodology

Ahh, I thought his comment was pretty amusing, but anyway. I did think it was biased yeah, but that was the whole point. This wasn't a real debate for people to take one side or the other, it was a pro contraception ad. Yes, there should be free condoms for everyone, over here if you go get yourself checked out regularly you can most always grab yourself a big bag of free johnnies, I guess that's the good old NHS for ya though.

I understand where you're coming from here GeeSuss, but in my mind personal relationship education, is just as important as academic education. We don't put nearly enough value on this, we just expect our kids to know and understand about love, sex and the relationship between the two. And the subject is undeniably complicated. So we don't do anything at all about it and look what happens. Teenage pregnancies, massively high STI problem, not just in adults and also the life expectancy of interpersonal relationships has decreased, divorce rates are through the roof and being single is still not a preferred way of existing. Clearly leaving everything to chance isn't working, is it

Interesting topic that, as an ignorant European, I’d like to know more about. In the US (most states, which states?) how do you get contraceptives like the pill, or the morning-after pill if you’re a minor? Do you need a prescription? If so, can you be sure the doctor isn’t going to tell your parents? What ways do minors have to access reliable information about birth control? Of course, there are the interwebs, but if both your school and your parents have filters installed, do you have to sneak into a cybercafe?

I guess it’s obvious, I’m all for reliable information about anything to everybody, because I seriously don’t see how keeping kids ignorant is going to help (seriously, do all these abstinence-until-you’re-married programs tell the kids about how to plan your family and/or avoid STDs after your married?).

>> ^Octopussy:
Interesting topic that, as an ignorant European, I’d like to know more about. In the US (most states, which states?) how do you get contraceptives like the pill, or the morning-after pill if you’re a minor? Do you need a prescription? If so, can you be sure the doctor isn’t going to tell your parents? What ways do minors have to access reliable information about birth control? Of course, there are the interwebs, but if both your school and your parents have filters installed, do you have to sneak into a cybercafe?
I guess it’s obvious, I’m all for reliable information about anything to everybody, because I seriously don’t see how keeping kids ignorant is going to help (seriously, do all these abstinence-until-you’re-married programs tell the kids about how to plan your family and/or avoid STDs after your married?).


You have to get a prescription to get the pill or the morning after pill. I'm not sure about all states but in my state if you are low income or under the age of 18 you can get free exams and birth control. They usually have a candy dish filled with free condoms at the front of the clinic.

It's illegal for the clinic to notify your parents about the visit unless you are under a certain age. I think it was age 13 and under. This also applies to STD screenings, yearly exams and abortions.

I don't know how much things have changed in a last few years but my school and my state(Washington) were pretty good about the whole thing when I was a teen.

Music and arts are probably more important than math or history when it comes to developing critical and creative thinking skills. Healthy sex is as important as eating and sleeping and are all very important to memory function, logic, problem-solving, etc. You seem to think sex is so different from other human activities but it isn't. Categorizing things into social and non-social doesn't apply here since a major function of schools is to teach kids social skills so that they can be productive members of society.

99% of success in life depends on social skills. Right now the best and the brightest are not accomplishing anything because they are too shy or messed up by their history to use their abilities to the fullest.

Oh and condoms are a tool used in forging the mind. Sex is one of the most powerful forces that drives our beings so of course tools and knowledge regarding this major part of our lives is important.

Your version of schooling has never been and hopefully never will be. Please check out some of the research that is out there. There has been much talk the last few years about the serious problems caused by removing music and art programs from schools for example.
>> ^GeeSussFreeK:

>> ^rottenseed:
>> ^GeeSussFreeK:
Sex isn't something that is happening in school

Translation: I NEVER HAD SEX IN SCHOOL! ...or since

Blah, way to be a jerk and not stay on topic.
I shall be a little more clear with what I am saying as I think my message got lost in peoples spin on doing the hibbidy dibidy all the live long day.
Books, teachers, science labs, paper, pens, are part of the education process provided by the state. Having sex in the middle of the class is not. While sex education is a must, having sex in school is not on the curiculum as far as the state should be involved in. IE, condoms are not a pen, a book or any other tool used in forging the mind.
Like some have pointed out (tackfully unlike the nice person above), sex is part of the natural social evolution of a person. Right, but that isn't the focus of the classroom. Schools are for classes and expanding your mind, that is what the state is supposed to be providing. I have problem no problem with my taxes going to books and pens and things that are developing the young minds of tomorrow. But I have a problem with my tax dollars sponcering another childs sex life and/or other social, non-education things (recreational sex is not educational sex . I would be just as against schools providing some sort of free music program on the government dime on the logic that music is needed for a well devolped social mind.
I also don't preach ignorance or being unprepaired, I am just against paying for it on the government ticket. Schools shouldn't be in the business of providing anything but education. If someone can show me how a condom is an education device, besides maybe just learning how to put one on, then I will be convinced, otherwise, it is the school system trying to be more than it is roled to be. This isn't a night club, this is a school. Sex may happen on campus, that is not what I was saying at all, what I am saying is that is the subject of social interaction and not the domain of the school to provide materials for out of our tax budget. Once again, if someone can show how a condom is like a pen (hahaha don't go there), then I'll be more adpt to listen, but so far it seems like "ehh why not" kinda arguments? Perhaps I misunderstood yall as much as yall did me
And if they are just giving them away, then it should be avalible for all citizens everywhere, not just kids...and I would be against funding my fellow americans sex needs in the same way I am against this
Thanks everyone for your respectful comments...minus one

edit: And did no one else think that the video was totally biased? The lady arguing for the side of schools not providing for that thing had some very unconvincing speaking methodology