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What an asshole.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

She was just having a bad day, everyone makes mistakes.

didn't want her children to have to go through the end of the world...
yeah, having a parental figure turn on you, slash your throat and your wrists... a much better alternative
aethiesm: we 100% promise that your parents won't try to murder you to save you from the END TIMES

Christians actually believe this shit.

>> ^Trancecoach:
Christians actually believe this shit.


This isn't Christianity, it's a doomsday cult. If they were Christians they would follow scripture and know this couldn't be true, for two reasons. One is this verse:

Matthew 24:36

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Which means that anyone predicting a date for the end of the world is automatically wrong. Two is that the person who started this cult made a similar prediction in 1994 which didn't come true. If a prophet makes a prediction that even the smallest bit of did not come true, that means he is a false prophet.

I feel bad for these people..many of them sold their homes and quit their jobs. They are in for a rude awakening on the 22nd.

edit: I guess I should have watched the video before commenting..that's just awful

Some people should die. That's just unconscious knowledge.
-Jane's Addiction

For good people to behave insanely requires religion.

@shinyblurry, but Camping and his followers say that Mathew 24:36 applies only to the church age and that somehow 1 Thessalonians 5:1-5:5 shows we are no longer in that age... Although this news story isn't related to Camping, I expect more similar stories when people miss the rapture. I hope not, but I would be surprised if there isn't a couple cases like this. Hopefully they will just lose faith in Camping, some may lose faith all together...

"She was such I nice lady. I saw her in Starbucks reading the Left Behind series just the other day."

It's all fun and games until someone tries to murder the kids.

or mental illness. your logic is flawed.
>> ^shuac:

For good people to behave insanely requires religion.

i just can't seem to upvote this.

>> ^peggedbea:

or mental illness. your logic is flawed.
>> ^shuac:
For good people to behave insanely requires religion.



Same difference.

>> ^shuac:

For good people to behave insanely requires religion.


I think the quote is; for good people to DO EVIL requires religion.

Wooot! Religion!

you would think the lesson of the millerites would have given these people a bit of a clue:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment

These twats just can't accept the fact that the earth will be destroyed but sadly, for them, not in their lifetimes. What is it, about 4 billion years from now?

I hope she never sees her kids again.

>> ^shuac:

For good people to behave insanely requires religion.


Don't you rather mean: "For crazy people to act crazy requires nothing at all"?

@shinyblurry

Care to explain?

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:
@<A rel="nofollow" class=profilelink title="member since January 21st, 2011" href="http://videosift.com/member/shinyblurry">shinyblurry
Care to explain?


Explain which? Why this lady went nuts? Probably demonic influence.

the old testament makes it clear that sacrificing your children for god is perfectly acceptable behavior.

this woman is clearly a traditionalist.

Um, she wouldn't have tried to kill herself and her children if it weren't for her crazy religious beliefs.

If she was crazy - but only believed that skittles are dangerous and must devoured on sight - her kids would be fine & she'd only have diabeetus. [instead of prison]

>> ^campionidelmondo:

>> ^shuac:
For good people to behave insanely requires religion.

Don't you rather mean: "For crazy people to act crazy requires nothing at all"?

Crazy people often do more violent things than eat skittles. I don't see the connection between her crazy actions and religion. Linking this to religion is just like linking school shootings to violent video games. No, nothing that's being mass consumed drove this person from being the nice neighbour to slaughtering people. Stop looking for the fault in the things you don't like and accept the fact that some people are just crazy.

Thank you voice of reason. Crazy people are just crazy, end of story.

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:
Um, she wouldn't have tried to kill herself and her children if it weren't for her crazy religious beliefs.
If she was crazy - but only believed that skittles are dangerous and must devoured on sight - her kids would be fine & she'd only have diabeetus. [instead of prison]
>> ^campionidelmondo:
>> ^shuac:
For good people to behave insanely requires religion.

Don't you rather mean: "For crazy people to act crazy requires nothing at all"?



>> ^campionidelmondo:
Crazy people often do more violent things than eat skittles. I don't see the connection between her crazy actions and religion. Linking this to religion is just like linking school shootings to violent video games. No, nothing that's being mass consumed drove this person from being the nice neighbour to slaughtering people. Stop looking for the fault in the things you don't like and accept the fact that some people are just crazy.

@campionidelmondo

Again, being crazy doesn't mean you're violent. Crazed violence needs a catalyst.

      1.)   She wouldn't have thought to murder her kids [today at least] if she didn't think the world was ending.
      2.)   Her religion made her think the world was ending.

Therefore, her religion is to blame for her crazed violent episode.

Religion fucks people's minds up. Plain & simple.

If you wanna defend "Spirituality", that's a whole other topic.

>> ^campionidelmondo:

Crazy people often do more violent things than eat skittles. I don't see the connection between her crazy actions and religion. Linking this to religion is just like linking school shootings to violent video games. No, nothing that's being mass consumed drove this person from being the nice neighbour to slaughtering people. Stop looking for the fault in the things you don't like and accept the fact that some people are just crazy.


Of course there are connections. Just look at Islam. Christianity isn't as bad but people kill and maim others based on their reading of the Bible.

There's always the "just crazy" view. And I accept that to an extent. But I suspect people like that are prime fodder for destructive ideologies and supernatural thinking.
And she had access to a well established cult that served to radicalise her to a point where her family were no longer physically safe.

This reminds me of the Great Disappointment of 1844. Unfortunately, the cognitive dissonance of not having the prophecy fulfilled makes those involved double down and become MORE devoted to the cause afterwards.

they are absolutely prime fodder for destructive ideologies.

but i've seen mentally ill atheists take after their bosses with machetes after watching too much anime. i've seen mentally atheists flip out while watching eternal sunshine of the spotless mind.

like at @GenjiKilpatrick said, it usually takes a catalyst for mental illness to turn into violence. but that catalyst doesn't HAVE to be religion. and in the absence of religion something else takes its place.

religions aren't something invented out of thin air. they have existed in every culture i can think of. most of them are really really similar. in the more ancient ones you can trace their dogma to serving an actual purpose benefiting human survival in the region (see cow worshipping hindis, or desert dwelling religions abstinence from pork). they obviously serve a purpose. and they change and evolve over time.

of the billions and billions of devout people throughout time how many of them have brutally slaughtered their children? i know you can list several. but thats out of BILLIONS. i'm not seeking to diminish the atrocities committed in the name of religion. i'm saying correlation does not = causation.

i'll wager my paycheck that there were warning signs leading up to this event. and i'll also wager my paycheck that the people who saw the warning signs were uneducated (about mental disorders) and i'll equipped and scared. declaring religion the cause of these kinds of horror stories doesn't lend itself to prevention very well. perhaps we need to take a better look at our mental health apparatus and not-nearly-adequate outreach, education and support system.

one thing i do think churches could do (and i know many churches that have) is adopt church counseling programs.. staffed by actual trained psychologists and counselors, not seminary graduates. to treat their members and give families an accessible, trusted place to turn to when they start seeing some destructive warning signs.

>> ^Deano:

>> ^campionidelmondo:
Crazy people often do more violent things than eat skittles. I don't see the connection between her crazy actions and religion. Linking this to religion is just like linking school shootings to violent video games. No, nothing that's being mass consumed drove this person from being the nice neighbour to slaughtering people. Stop looking for the fault in the things you don't like and accept the fact that some people are just crazy.

Of course there are connections. Just look at Islam. Christianity isn't as bad but people kill and maim others based on their reading of the Bible.
There's always the "just crazy" view. And I accept that to an extent. But I suspect people like that are prime fodder for destructive ideologies and supernatural thinking.
And she had access to a well established cult that served to radicalise her to a point where her family were no longer physically safe.

>> ^shinyblurry:
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Explain which? Why this lady went nuts? Probably demonic influence.


What "demonic influence" would make killing your children the better thing to do? I don't understand what the devil (or anyone else) could say that would make cutting up your own children the right thing to do. (Also see: Abraham)

The devil could convince someone to kill their own mother and wear their head like a hat. His ways are supernatural, and he has every advantage. He is the ruler of this world and has a supernatural dominion. It's easy for him though, because there simply isn't any limit to human depravity. The bible says no one knows how wicked the human heart really is, but the devil probably has an idea.

People think that the devils main appearance is that of a red faced grotesque..but that isn't the truth. He can appear however he wants. He can even make himself appear as an angel of light. He could have been whispering all of this into her ear appearing as a messanger of God, and she would have believed every word. "The great tribulation is coming..it's time to go..you need to get your daughters to heaven now so they dont suffer any pain"

I've seen it in action..I have dealt with people possessed by evil spirits who basically told me that..they hate humans to the utmost, and that they spend every hour of every day creating elaborate fantasies (they even compare their "business" to disneyland) which are designed to mislead humans away from God so they can ruin Creation as much as possible before they are cast out forever. As a final middle finger to God, basically.

Everyone is a target, but if you don't believe in God, he will probably leave you alone. You're right where he wants you to be.





>> ^Opus_Moderandi:
>> ^shinyblurry:
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Explain which? Why this lady went nuts? Probably demonic influence.

What "demonic influence" would make killing your children the better thing to do? I don't understand what the devil (or anyone else) could say that would make cutting up your own children the right thing to do. (Also see: Abraham)

@GenjiKilpatrick

Yes a catalyst. That can be many things. Seeing the images of the japanese Tsunami, of the violence in the Middle East. Being in a doomsday cult sure didn't help. But blaming religion for this is (as I already said) just like blaming violent videogames as the reason for school shootings. It's peddling simple answers to complex problems. Violent and crazy people do violent and crazy things in the name of _______.

I'll stop here because I'd just repeat what peggedbea already said best.

If an aethist kills a religious family because he fears that the religous person is spreading murderous dogma, then it is aethism's fault? I cannot buy the cata-logic you use... then that means that every murder is something's fault...

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:
@<A rel="nofollow" class=profilelink title="member since November 15th, 2006" href="http://videosift.com/member/campionidelmondo"><STRONG style="COLOR: #2180e2">campionidelmondo
Again, being crazy doesn't mean you're violent. Crazed violence needs a catalyst.
      1.)   She wouldn't have thought to murder her kids [today at least] if she didn't think the world was ending.
      2.)   Her religion made her think the world was ending.
Therefore, her religion is to blame for her crazed violent episode.
Religion fucks people's minds up. Plain & simple.
If you wanna defend "Spirituality", that's a whole other topic.

@Lawdeedaw & @campionidelmondo

Again, we ain't talkin' bout coulda happened.

We're talking about what did happen.

Speculate all you want guys. The two things we know to be true are:
1.She's batshit crazy
2.She was willing to murder her own kids because of bible myths.

You can't separate those two things when you're talking about this event.

Just because not every crazed event involves religion..
..doesn't mean you can act like religion had nothing to do with this event in particular, since it clearly did.

Well, as we seem to have passed The Date, I hope she FEELS stupid now, instead of merely BEING stupid.

>> ^GenjiKilpatrick:
@<a rel="nofollow" href="http://videosift.com/member/Lawdeedaw" title="member since May 3rd, 2010" class="profilelink">Lawdeedaw & @campionidelmondo
Again, we ain't talkin' bout coulda happened.
We're talking about what did happen.
Speculate all you want guys. The two things we know to be true are:
1.She's batshit crazy
2.She was willing to murder her own kids because of bible myths.
You can't separate those two things when you're talking about this event.
Just because not every crazed event involves religion..
..doesn't mean you can act like religion had nothing to do with this event in particular, since it clearly did.


Speculate? Because, I must stress, shit has happened and has been blamed for all kinds of shit (The kid was taking acid, the video games were violent, he listened to rock/rap music before the killings, he was molested/beaten, etc.) That is not speculation, this is reality.

And yes, no one can separate that she is batshit crazy (As if we would think any other way) or the fact that she applied her own religious dogma. And for the record, I am atheist and hate the actual bible-bible. It sanctioned far too much hatred and wickedness.

AND YET! Who created the bible? Man. Why? As a form of control, I believe. A second form of government to control that controls the weak (Just like a regular government does.) And, in the name of government, all our countries war and kill, war and kill. Are you calling all troops, governments, and their populaces (Those who just stand by and allow such things to happen) crazy on a level equal to the bible? I hope so.

Otherwise that's a fucked up, double standard. Many governments would have no problems killing babies in the dark if it meant saving a bit of face (Even our country; See, slavery and half black babies.)

If you agree that nations and their agenda's are batshit crazy, then the problem is not religion; the problem is humanity.

lawdeedaw

@_@. you might wanna lay off the coffee.

But to answer your question. Yes.

Crazy lady is crazy. If she had been on Meth (not clear she wasn't from the picture) would you still blame religion? The Hale Bopp people killed themselves because they believed in recycling. Crazy people are crazy.

Your argument that this would not have happened without her religious beliefs is flawed. It's a counter-factual statement. You don't know that she wouldn't have found some other reason to protect her children from their future in a terrible world (e.g. global warming, war, what have you), and performed the same act. What you would need to demonstrate is that there is reliably a higher probability of religious people crazily trying to murder their kids than non-religious people (say just plain crazies) trying to murder their kids. While it may seem to be the case that they do (thanks to the availability heuristic), it is going to be difficult to show because despite the handful of highly publicized incidents, there are a HUGE number of religious people you need to normalize by. Whereas you'll have more difficulty explaining away people like Chuck Manson coming from the relatively smaller reference class of "non-religious" people. In other words, blaming crazy on religion is not a winning game. Worse, it's based in faith based reasoning, not evidence. Better to just identify the crazies, and treat them as crazy.

>> ^shinyblurry:

The devil could convince someone to kill their own mother and wear their head like a hat. His ways are supernatural, and he has every advantage. He is the ruler of this world and has a supernatural dominion. It's easy for him though, because there simply isn't any limit to human depravity. The bible says no one knows how wicked the human heart really is, but the devil probably has an idea.
People think that the devils main appearance is that of a red faced grotesque..but that isn't the truth. He can appear however he wants. He can even make himself appear as an angel of light. He could have been whispering all of this into her ear appearing as a messanger of God, and she would have believed every word. "The great tribulation is coming..it's time to go..you need to get your daughters to heaven now so they dont suffer any pain"
I've seen it in action..I have dealt with people possessed by evil spirits who basically told me that..they hate humans to the utmost, and that they spend every hour of every day creating elaborate fantasies (they even compare their "business" to disneyland) which are designed to mislead humans away from God so they can ruin Creation as much as possible before they are cast out forever. As a final middle finger to God, basically.
Everyone is a target, but if you don't believe in God, he will probably leave you alone. You're right where he wants you to be.






I totally disagree with you. If someone can be convinced to mutilate their own child (by an angel or a demon, if there were such things) they are highly disturbed. It's not a devil that convinces people, it's their belief that a devil has that power. And it's all in their head. (See also: Psychosis)