I'm glad someone confronted him directly with that question... and he answered well, I can't find anything to disagree with him on here.

I have to say, I think he speaks better (on this particular issue, at least) than he makes movies. That was definitely a great response to a fairly hostile question(er).

Errrm I wouldnt call the the question hostile, it's just a good critical question that, fortunately for us the viewers, wasnt just dodged by the interviewee.

Health care need to stay out of the Government hands. Look at the VA system. What a piss poor under funded system. If out government can't get the VA right than we should not let the Government screw the rest of us.

>> ^bobknight33:
Health care need to stay out of the Government hands. Look at the VA system. What a piss poor under funded system. If out government can't get the VA right than we should not let the Government screw the rest of us.


The VA system used to be crap. Reforms pushed through in the middle and late 90's have dramatically improved its quality of care. The VA health care system now outperforms the private sector in nearly every area.

well it was a fairly idiotic question that only required a simplistic answer.

you cannot expect to come to universal conclusion based on personal exsperance surly if you were goin gto ask this questoin you would resesrch first to see what the waiting times were recorded to be / do your own research to prove your theory or personal exsperance.

If annything this questioner shows a serious lack of understanding of basic science or rational thinking.

"all the studies have shown..."

Which studies? Also, just because he's saying things you find agreeable doesn't mean he's right.

I take offense to him saying "what [Americans] always do is just steal the best things..." I think he's confusing corporatists with American ingenuity like, oh I don't know, the automobile, the airplane, the artificial heart, the moving image (film), lasers, video games (hello!), and the fucking Internet. Fuck this asshole. He's got an agenda and he's pushing it however he sees fit regardless of things called facts.

Last time I went to the emergency room was in 1986. I was 7 and had fallen on the partially-constructed deck my father was building. I landed, face first, on one of the support beams, breaking my nose and generally erupting in a fountain of blood and tears.

This was around 8:30pm and we arrived in the hospital around 9:00pm. They brought me to a room around 2:00am and I finally saw a doctor around 5:00am. The 3 hours I spent in the room, I was accompanied by a senile, demented 90-something year old lady who was clawing, biting and punching the nurses and screaming "I want my mommy!"

Bring on the 3-4 hour wait times.

What's he mean "unfortunately" Canadians have a conservative government now? Isn't that an intentional choice on the part of the Canadian progressive majority because they'd rather split their vote among multiple progressive parties?

>> ^HadouKen24:
>> ^bobknight33:
Health care need to stay out of the Government hands. Look at the VA system. What a piss poor under funded system. If out government can't get the VA right than we should not let the Government screw the rest of us.

The VA system used to be crap. Reforms pushed through in the middle and late 90's have dramatically improved its quality of care. The VA health care system now outperforms the private sector in nearly every area.


That should be the case, since the military screens out applicants who perform poorly on its cognitive ability test, and low cognitive ability scores correlate with poor medical outcomes. (It's hard to manage your health when you have difficulty reading). If the studies you're referring to weren't looking at cognitive ability-matched samples, then their conclusions are meaningless. (Scientists make these kinds of mistakes constantly.)

Even given the above expectation, in the last couple of years (after the 90s), all we hear about the VA are horror stories. That would be great if your claim is true. Can you provide citations to support it?

I visit relatives in Canada allot and something to keep in mind when they say Canadians complain about anything related to their government including health care is that they have much much much higher expectations of their government and they hold them accountable. I was with my uncle when he died of cancer in a hospice situation and they treated him fantastically and the facilities were luxurious and taken for granted as being normal. There wasn't any waiting. Contrast that with a family friend in a nearly identical situation back here in Florida 3 years earlier and he died at home with the family freaking out.

Blankfist, whether you take the time to bring some good arguments or leave it. It's not like you couldn't do better then that.

"all the studies have shown..." (you'd agree I'm sure with "some" studies ?)

Which studies? Also, just because he's saying things you find agreeable doesn't mean he's right. (doesn't mean he's wrong either... meanwhile you bring absolutely no argument except for his use of hyperbole and this is not an article for Nature, it's a press conference)

I take offense to him saying "what [Americans] always do is just steal the best things..." (same thing : always doesn't mean only here)

I think he's confusing corporatists with American ingenuity like, oh I don't know, the automobile, the airplane, the artificial heart, the moving image (film), lasers, video games (hello!), and the fucking Internet. Fuck this asshole. He's got an agenda and he's pushing it however he sees fit regardless of things called facts. (YOU bring no fact to criticize him... you're doing it on the only basis of his use of hyperbole)


Hey, I've just learnt this word through a search on wikipedia and feel VERY intelligent to able to use it. And this too is an hyperbole...

>> ^blankfist:
"all the studies have shown..."
Which studies? Also, just because he's saying things you find agreeable doesn't mean he's right.
I take offense to him saying "what [Americans] always do is just steal the best things..." I think he's confusing corporatists with American ingenuity like, oh I don't know, the automobile, the airplane, the artificial heart, the moving image (film), lasers, video games (hello!), and the fucking Internet. Fuck this asshole. He's got an agenda and he's pushing it however he sees fit regardless of things called facts.


I think it would be more apt to say just because he's saying things you find disagreeable doesn't mean he's wrong.

The only thing he said that was debatable was that he said "steal" and "always"... and he used those words on the fly to try to convince a Canadian of his point when asked a mildly hostile question. Other than his choice of words we are a culture known for being a melting pot of cultures and ideas. Most of the American achievements you mentioned either weren't or were partly internationally developed.

Government run health care will be just as effective as government run education. Where is the U.S. in education again?? Public schools and public hospitals, now what I call progressive.

As liberals like to fondly point out, 8 billion dollars "vanished" during the Iraq War.

Now how in the hell are you going to tell the American people with a straight face that socialized medicine (call it what it is!) will be efficient and save money?

Socialists want to fix automobile problems by replacing the car with a donkey!

Even in the USA, paying for your own healthcare, if you go to the ER with a non-emergency you have to wait several hours while they treat more urgent patients.

I got to deal with not one but two insurance companies when I broke my neck a couple years ago. The accident was right on the eve of one plan expiring and another starting. I've probably spent days arguing on the phone and dealing with paperwork to sort it out. When it was all said and done I probably paid $5000 out-of-pocket I didn't have. My neck brace co-pay charge turned out to be more than if I just bought the damn neck brace online w/o insurance.

I don't think anyone who has ever been seriously injured has any real perspective on this. They hear stories like on Sicko or like mine and they go in one ear and out the other. I'm so fed up with the way it is, and already fed up with the way it's likely going to be under Obama.

People who say they don't want the government running their health care cannot clearly see how bad it is in the hands of corporations. Most are likely people who've only been to the doctor for sniffles and paid a $10 dollar co-pay, or are just stupid and jaded by emotional issues like those fucking idiots in that video with the lady harassing the congressman over Obama's birth certificate.

You tell me how god damned much you'd hate to have health care like Canada the next time you have thousands of dollars in medical bills and can't afford to get the physical therapy you need.

>> ^TangledThorns:
Government run health care will be just as effective as government run education. Where is the U.S. in education again?? Public schools and public hospitals, now what I call progressive.


>> ^bobknight33:
Health care need to stay out of the Government hands. Look at the VA system. What a piss poor under funded system. If out government can't get the VA right than we should not let the Government screw the rest of us.


I noticed neither of you have any real suggestions or ideas to change health care. Presumably, you think it's just fine the way it is?

I also hate when 'we' in the US call ourselves America, effectively commandeering the entire continent. We aren't America. We are the USA. Mexicans, Canadians, Brazilians, are all 'Americans'.

i am not in favor of big government.
that being said,let me just put ONE point out there.
1.the american health system is predominantly an insurance based system.
insurance companies are publicly traded corporations.
their primary charter is profit.
they are beholden to share-holders NOT you..the client.
so while some people may deem the health insurance companies as evil,they are actually doing what they were designed to do:make money.
when you put profit in front of health...health will always lose.
this is the fundamental flaw in the american health system.
the only way to change it is to make health profitable.
take the profit out and then we can create a better system.
THAT is the true task at hand.

>> ^Red:
Blankfist, whether you take the time to bring some good arguments or leave it. It's not like you couldn't do better then that.

It's not like you couldn't do better THAN that. Pot. Meet kettle.


>> ^alizarin:
>> The only thing he said that was debatable was that he said "steal" and "always"... and he used those words on the fly to try to convince a Canadian of his point when asked a mildly hostile question. Other than his choice of words we are a culture known for being a melting pot of cultures and ideas. Most of the American achievements you mentioned either weren't or were partly internationally developed.

When someone says things like "steal" and "always" they have very specific meanings. This wasn't a Freudian slip, alizarin. He chose those words carefully. And who cares whether he chose them on the fly or not? That's just obfuscation. I'm sure some murders are done without malice aforethought and done so "on the fly"; doesn't make them less wrong.

And I'm not arguing this isn't a melting pot. I fail to see the point. Multiple groups of people who assimilated in the US developed those inventions I listed. I know Great Britain's industrialism helped carve out America's industrialism, but does that mean we should give Queen Elizabeth credit for inventing the Cotton Gin?

>> ^blankfist:
When someone says things like "steal" and "always" they have very specific meanings.

I think you're taking it more seriously than it was intended. I think he's just saying we're very good at coopting the ideas of other countries; that's not necessarily a bad thing. Unfortunately I don't think it's true. If you look at some of our most relevant inventions today (car, transistor, microchip/microprocessor, telephone, mobile phone, hard drive, LED, CD/DVD, digital camera), most of them are made better and/or cheaper by Germany, Japan or China. It seems if we can't kill people with it, we lose interest.

I'm sure some murders are done without malice aforethought and done so "on the fly"; doesn't make them less wrong.

Murder is premeditated by definition. Killing someone "on the fly" is manslaughter and is considered less wrong in our legal system, hence the lower penalties.

>> ^blankfist:
I take offense to him saying "what [Americans] always do is just steal the best things..." I think he's confusing corporatists with American ingenuity like, oh I don't know, the automobile...

Not to detract from American ingenuity, but the Germans invented the automobile.

What Americans did was mass-produce them and make 'em affordable. It's actually a great example of what Americans are usually ingenious about.

Oh, and you're the one confusing what Moore said with some sort of knock on America's ability to innovate. Often times businesses imitate and incorporate the successful innovations of their competitors. If anything I think Moore is giving America praise for a trait it plainly does not have when it comes to politics.

France has the #1 healthcare system in the world, according to the WHO, but what does a significant minority of Americans fear? A healthcare system like the one in France.

Learning from the successes of others is a fundamental human strategy -- we should do a bit more of it where it really matters.

Fuck this asshole. He's got an agenda and he's pushing it however he sees fit regardless of things called facts.

That's not what the head of CIGNA's PR department says.

>> ^potchi79:
>> ^TangledThorns:
Government run health care will be just as effective as government run education. Where is the U.S. in education again?? Public schools and public hospitals, now what I call progressive.

>> ^bobknight33:
Health care need to stay out of the Government hands. Look at the VA system. What a piss poor under funded system. If out government can't get the VA right than we should not let the Government screw the rest of us.

I noticed neither of you have any real suggestions or ideas to change health care. Presumably, you think it's just fine the way it is?


My suggestion is for the US government not to take over health care like they did with the education system, duh! Now, the government can force the insurance companies to change rules to bring costs down through regulation.

Would the entire debate be solved by creating socialized medicine but letting people opt out of the coverage and the taxes if they have proof of private insurance?

If proponents' arguments are correct, then the socialized option would be cheaper and more efficient, so most people wouldn't opt out.

He is right when it comes to emergency care. The system has flaws when it comes to non-emergency but would you rather a no-charge 3 hour wait to have a bone set or wonder where you're going to come up with the money? I do hope that healthcare improves here but I would NEVER want the US system and can't understand how people are against adopting a hybrid style system.

The biggest failing in Canada is in diagnostic testing. It can take 4 to 8 months to have an MRI done while some private clinics in Alberta can see you same day if you pay for it. Those times need to be 1 month or less.

>> ^chilaxe:
Would the entire debate be solved by creating socialized medicine but letting people opt out of the coverage and the taxes if they have proof of private insurance?
If proponents' arguments are correct, then the socialized option would be cheaper and more efficient, so most people wouldn't opt out.


An 'opt out' system wouldn't work for socialized medicine, because in order for a socialized system to work it needs to the upper and middle class being forced to pay for the majority of it, and with an 'opt out' system all of them would certainly choose that.

I think at the end of the day, we can all agree the current system needs to be reworked, because it's broken. I believe the answer isn't in socializing health care, but rather removing corporations from it.

>> ^blankfist:
An 'opt out' system wouldn't work for socialized medicine, because in order for a socialized system to work it needs to the upper and middle class being forced to pay for the majority of it, and with an 'opt out' system all of them would certainly choose that.

The plan the progressives are pushing Democrats to implement is actually even more lax than an "opt out" system, it's an "opt in" system. So far the bill progressives like best is the House Tri-Committee bill, summarized here by Ezra Klein.

The public option itself is not directly taxpayer funded. It charges premiums just like a normal insurance company would. The overall bill does include a subsidy for people buying individual health insurance plans, but they may use their healthcare "credits" (or vouchers) to purchase a private plan if they so choose.

I like having both the public option and the subsidy, but I think the public option is the more important part, and it's not going to need any tax money at all.

As for the tax, hopefully you don't consider the top 1.5% of income earners "upper middle class".

I think at the end of the day, we can all agree the current system needs to be reworked, because it's broken. I believe the answer isn't in socializing health care, but rather removing corporations from it.

I'd love to see a rough outline of the bill you'd want to introduce.

Here's my bill outline. A) round up all the sick old people. Kill them. B) kill the homeless. They're a drain on the productive. C) those who are without the entrepreneurial wherewithal to do for themselves (i.e., the poor) must be put into private labor camps where they can be used to build wealth for the rest of us.

Wait, what were we talking about? Oh, health care. Right. [nervous laugh, backs out of the room]

>> ^blankfist:
Here's my bill outline. A) round up all the sick old people. Kill them. B) kill the homeless. They're a drain on the productive. C) those who are without the entrepreneurial wherewithal to do for themselves (i.e., the poor) must be put into private labor camps where they can be used to build wealth for the rest of us.
Wait, what were we talking about? Oh, health care. Right. [nervous laugh, backs out of the room]


The last guy who tried that had a little mustache, ended up with one testicle, and died in a bunker.

Just an F.Y.I.

Health care expenditure per capita by country, year 2007.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0934556.html

Strange how these countries with inefficient socialized healthcare seem to spend much less money on it than the USA.

You buy car insurance, because you expect that your car won't fail on you. When the car gets really run down and old, the insurance just pays you a fee when it is broken beyond reasonable repair (totaled). The fee gets smaller as the value of your car decreases. Car insurance is profitable.

You buy house/home insurance because should your house suddenly go up in flames, get flooded or some other disaster you will want another home. This statistically happens very infrequently, and home insurance is profitable.

Then you have health insurance- which is weird because every person that buys health insurance will lose all of their health at some point. As you get older, and sicker the care required - medical check ups, medications, medical procedures - increases dramatically. Since this is statistically significant (100% chance) and you increase the costs with time, health insurance is only profitable if you increase costs with care/age/illness (current american system.)

Health and Life insurance should be combined - so that if you get really sick you may get a notice from the insurance company that you have been totaled. (I guess this already happens when they tell you a max compensation statement - or just drop you as a customer.)

It seems heartless, but do you know anyone that isn't going to die someday? - If so the insurance companies need to give that guy a policy!

Maybe I'm jaded because I work in healthcare - I try pretty hard to keep myself healthy. Many of my patients do not try at all, and are now very sad, physically sick people that require all sorts of medical help just to live a normal life.

I also have money saved to pay for medical expenses, the insurance that I have has a very high deductable. That means if there is a medical expense under $8k I pay it out of pocket. That seems reasonable - the health insurance I have is there to cover unexpected costs. If I go to the doctor, I pay the doctor, not my insurance company, not extra taxes. If I take an ambulance ride and need a limb reattached it costs me $8k (pretty reasonable) and the insurance company loses the gamble they took when they wrote the policy for me.

I don't want government provided healthcare because when someone who did not prepare for their eventual decline in health (either by being unhealthy or being unlucky) I will have to pay for it (increased taxes) and then my ability to be prepared for my eventual decline in health will be reduced. Why am I the one paying to keep an unhealthy person treated - when I have to keep myself healthy and pay for my own treatment? It seems a little backwards to me.

>> ^blankfist:
I think at the end of the day, we can all agree the current system needs to be reworked, because it's broken. I believe the answer isn't in socializing health care, but rather removing corporations from it.


lol. You don't seem to understand the words you're using... removing corporations = socializing. Corporations are private entities. Everything else is public, because the antonym of private is public. That's why in a non-biased country like Canada, we call "socialized medicine" simply "public health care". The former is a scaremongering term based on McCarthyism and the fear of anything communist and the latter is a neutral, descriptive term. We have public health care in Canada, not socialized medicine. Our health care is directly managed by our provincial governments, but it could be managed by an NGO, a co-op (OMG SOCIALIZATION!!!!11) or whatnot, as long as it's not a corporation. A government-controlled corporation would not do either, because their goal would still be profit.

>> ^Bidouleroux:
>> ^blankfist:
I think at the end of the day, we can all agree the current system needs to be reworked, because it's broken. I believe the answer isn't in socializing health care, but rather removing corporations from it.

lol. You don't seem to understand the words you're using... removing corporations = socializing. Corporations are private entities. Everything else is public, because the antonym of private is public. That's why in a non-biased country like Canada, we call "socialized medicine" simply "public health care". The former is a scaremongering term based on McCarthyism and the fear of anything communist and the latter is a neutral, descriptive term. We have public health care in Canada, not socialized medicine. Our health care is directly managed by our provincial governments, but it could be managed by an NGO, a co-op (OMG SOCIALIZATION!!!!11) or whatnot, as long as it's not a corporation. A government-controlled corporation would not do either, because their goal would still be profit.


But the corporations.. they're all corporationy.

I agree, if you haven't had a serious medical issue in your life or had a relative that did, you have absolutely no clue how bad the medical insurance in this country is. I was born with a serious genetic disorder (basically none of my glands work on their own) and the meds & shots I had to take growing up cost my parents $5000 a month. Thankfully my mother worked for the state for over 20 years, and because of that she actually had decent insurance and if it hadn't been for a social program to help with that matter, I'd still owe tens of thousands of dollars for the care I needed growing up.

As well I have a friend who got leukemia, and though she passed away some years later, her husband and their six children will never have good credit as she was dropped from her insurance do to some bogus 'pre-existing condition' and her family still owes over two hundred grand, a decade after her passing.

The health care in this country is a business. It's about making money. I fear it may never change because big corporations get filthy rich of the system and as long as they all but completely run this country, no health care plan will ever succeed that attempts to either shut them down or go head to head with them.

And as long as this countries health care is about making money for big corporations, we will continue to have the worst health care, infant death and longevity numbers in the civilized world.

And that guy in canada complained his mother had to wait a few hours for a semi-emergency in one of canada's biggest cities? I live in the smallest county NY state, we have less than 12'000 citizens (Schuyler County.) Our tiny little country hospital is so over-worked they cant handle anything. I once waited over 4 hours on a Tuesday night with a semi-emergency issue. I cannot imagine what big city emergency rooms must be like.

>> ^Bidouleroux

Getting rid of corporations does not mean everything becomes socialized. There are other private areas other than corporations. Besides, Corporations use political influence to ensure laws benefit them and reduce small business competition, so they may as well be an arm of the government as far as I'm concerned.

every time i go i wait at least an hr. if u wanna see a specialist...then its months

i dont understand some arguments here.
who can be prepared for a terminal or debilitating illness?
how can you "plan" for that?
life happens...get used to it.
insurance companies are about profit.
a profit driven health insurance industry means less care,fewer tests and if you become too much of a drain...you are dropped.
a doctor does not decide if you can have test a. b. or c.,the company does.
the doctor merely suggests what solutions are most viable.
the company decides if you warrant whatever solution that may be.
the health insurance industry has created a whole new career -medical coding-to deflect costs by renaming illnesses,tests and subsequently..diagnosis.
all to avoid costly medical overages.
and to say that you resent having to pay for anothers medical care due to their own inability to "stay healthy" is just inaccurate as it is dishonest.
we all pay NOW for those who are not covered,but to insinuate that somehow their affliction is somehow their "fault" shows a lack of empathy,and disregard for your fellow human being that i find distasteful.
nobody "plans" on contracting a deadly disease,and even with our best efforts to remain healthy every one of us can and will most likely at some time be in need of medical help.
lets hope its something that was "planned" for.

>> ^Xaielao:
And that guy in canada complained his mother had to wait a few hours for a semi-emergency in one of canada's biggest cities? I live in the smallest county NY state, we have less than 12'000 citizens (Schuyler County.) Our tiny little country hospital is so over-worked they cant handle anything. I once waited over 4 hours on a Tuesday night with a semi-emergency issue. I cannot imagine what big city emergency rooms must be like.

Depending on the city, it can be "pray you don't die." It happens, not often but it does. I live in a medium sized city. She'd have waited the same or longer, probably longer. I live in Canada, it really depends on where you live. In a lot of cases you get the care you need. All hospitals here have extremely long wait times want to see how long the waits are? Look from province to province. Here's Ontario: http://www.waittimes.net/waittimes/en/default.aspx?adv=0 Generally you're looking 34-84 days for some cancer treatments. Up to 3-4 months for cardiac surgery, and so on.

The real kicker? In Ontario, hospitals have to operate with a positive operating budget, if they run a deficit they have to 'find' the money to continue operating. Sounds good right? Well the problem with that idea is, it usually means shutting down ER, critical care wards, critical surgery units, trauma units, and so on for a certain number of days. And cutting back the number of total hospital beds, when bed space is already at a premium. Which means people who should be in the hospital still are being sent home.

Hey, you know what the biggest problem with your idea of socialized medicine is? You're not leaving it to each state like we do up here. Each province is responsible for the care of the provinces needs. Sure it's mandated by federal law, but each province is responsible for their own level of 'care'. That level can be variable, but it's generally close across the board.

Really ol' Michael can talk about whatever he wants, but he's still ignorant about what really goes on here.

>> ^Mashiki:
The real kicker? In Ontario, hospitals have to operate with a positive operating budget, if they run a deficit they have to 'find' the money to continue operating. Sounds good right? Well the problem with that idea is, it usually means shutting down ER, critical care wards, critical surgery units, trauma units, and so on for a certain number of days. And cutting back the number of total hospital beds, when bed space is already at a premium. Which means people who should be in the hospital still are being sent home.

Hey, you know what the biggest problem with your idea of socialized medicine is? You're not leaving it to each state like we do up here. Each province is responsible for the care of the provinces needs. Sure it's mandated by federal law, but each province is responsible for their own level of 'care'. That level can be variable, but it's generally close across the board.

Really ol' Michael can talk about whatever he wants, but he's still ignorant about what really goes on here.


Umm... Isn't that what he said? I'm pretty sure he said the problem with Canada's health care is that it is underfunded.

And you are making the same point and then saying that he is ignorant? We did watch the same video, right?

>> ^blankfist:
Here's my bill outline. A) round up all the sick old people. Kill them. B) kill the homeless. They're a drain on the productive. C) those who are without the entrepreneurial wherewithal to do for themselves (i.e., the poor) must be put into private labor camps where they can be used to build wealth for the rest of us.

No, no, your plan. I've already read the GOP plan.

^That is my plan!

Seriously, I'd like to see both corporations and government get out of health care. Life could be easier. I think it's ridiculous that you need a prescription for drugs. That you need to visit a doctor's office (and paying his overhead) when you're feeling ill instead of seeing just an RN first. I think health care is too expensive and has become a purchasing plan rather than insurance, and you can thank greedy corporations for that.

>> ^curiousity> Umm... Isn't that what he said? I'm pretty sure he said the problem with Canada's health care is that it is underfunded.
And you are making the same point and then saying that he is ignorant? We did watch the same video, right?

To a point yes and to a point no. We already run at a 50% tax rate, and that's with 33m people across the country. Figure at the size of the country, that we're already overburdened paying for everything. You probably missed the point because I was touching on things in a conceptual level which is okay. The level is at the max that can be reasonably sustained, while providing all other core services.

Yes he is ignorant, because he believes that funding should be higher. He misses the half-trillion dollar debt we have(0.30/$1 spent in just interest), other social services, and so on and so forth. Canada is 'socialized' we pay out the ass for it in taxes. The other provinces pay out the ass for it to equalize everyone across the board. Canada is not a member of the SDL like Sweden, or Norway. We don't have a +75% tax rate.

Now all you gotta do is figure out the rest, and figure out how you can tell people that an extra 5-15% tax rate is going to be good for them. Especially in a place like Ontario where you have a true unemployment rate of around 18% and 1:4 people are employed by the government.

Please stop highlighting the Canadian system, a country of 33 million talking smack about a country of 300 million. Any innovations in medicine up there? How about new drugs? We've got more illegal invaders than Canada has citizens.

>> ^quantumushroom:
Please stop highlighting the Canadian system, a country of 33 million talking smack about a country of 300 million. Any innovations in medicine up there? How about new drugs? We've got more illegal invaders than Canada has citizens.


Most of the major advances in sports medicine started in Canada, until the surgeon and his team of doctors in London(ont), got a better offer to goto the US. They wouldn't build him a new wing in the hospital. Most of the advances in diabetes come from Canada, we're world leaders in nanomedicine, and regenerative pathogen adaptive type treatments. Most of the big stuff dealing with hyperbaric medicine have come from here. Since I'm too lazy to look beyond what I know, you can do the hard work.

I've got one, when Americans stop coming to Canada for treatment illegally. I'll give a damn about your 'illegal immigrant' problem. You're bleeding border cities dry.