Character arcs, how do they work?

hehe, was a bit overdone, but I actually like her "Enjoy your trip hot shot!"

Hey, the prequels called, they wanted to know what interesting characters looked like.

Those two kids are really in love.

All that white powder... she aint leavin'.

I don't know, I think it would have been a bit interesting if it were kept.

It is missing something...,maybe Han should have called out 'nooooooooooooooooooooo!'.

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I actually like this. Han Solo being a bit of dick is part of his character, and this works.

Respectfully disagree. Despite that it's Hoth, "this" Han loses his "cool" far too quickly.

The 'real' Han knows how Leia feels and doesn't overly push it.

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I actually like this. Han Solo being a bit of dick is part of his character, and this works.

Tone, tone, tone. A delicate thing, tone.

Nah, this should have stayed in. Han isnt perfect, which makes his decision to join the rebellion more of a journey of personal development. 'Perfect' Han would have joined the rbellion anyway because he loves eeeeverybody. This is just the next extension of 'greedo (guido?) shot first'. Luke is plenty goody two shoes for everyone, Han is meant to be more Mal than Preacher. QUIT FUCKING WITH THE MOVIE.

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This was never in the movie - putting this in would be fucking with the movie.>> ^thumpa28:

Nah, this should have stayed in. Han isnt perfect, which makes his decision to join the rebellion more of a journey of personal development. 'Perfect' Han would have joined the rbellion anyway because he loves eeeeverybody. This is just the next extension of 'greedo (guido?) shot first'. Luke is plenty goody two shoes for everyone, Han is meant to be more Mal than Preacher. QUIT FUCKING WITH THE MOVIE.

Nah. This sort of abrasive bullshit would've been appropriate in IV, maybe. In Empire, the film introduces him really well; he's developed from his childish hedonistic bullshit, but he's still a bit of a douche, self-absorbed - perhaps only superficially - and there's sufficient antagonism to make him an interesting character.

But the Han here is just being a cunt. It's so blunt and ridiculous that it would shut down the empathic process the audience goes through with the character. The thing with Han is that the good outweighs the bad and here, in this scene, it's like they're trying to tip the scales the other way. It's out of place, it's wrong for the film, the character arc and the character itself.

Another thing is that, through almost all the films, whenever Han was being a dick he was still likeable to an extent. But this scene just makes him seem really ugly.

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Nah. This sort of abrasive bullshit would've been appropriate in IV, maybe. In Empire, the film introduces him really well; he's developed from his childish hedonistic bullshit, but he's still a bit of a douche, self-absorbed - perhaps only superficially - and there's sufficient antagonism to make him an interesting character.
But the Han here is just being a cunt. It's so blunt and ridiculous that it would shut down the empathic process the audience goes through with the character. The thing with Han is that the good outweighs the bad and here, in this scene, it's like they're trying to tip the scales the other way. It's out of place, it's wrong for the film, the character arc and the character itself.
Another thing is that, through almost all the films, whenever Han was being a dick he was still likeable to an extent. But this scene just makes him seem really ugly.


Well said. It's interesting to see the scene though, all these years later. It's also interesting that what they cut out here was better and had more emotion than anything in the prequels as @GeeSussFreeK pointed out.

I took it more as Han being a dick and I think she came off better in the end. But yeah I see where youre coming from... could have sworn ive seen this scene before... maybe the extnded?

you like dicks?>> ^dag:

I actually like this. Han Solo being a bit of dick is part of his character, and this works.