Once again, you beat me to it on this one

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Nice camera SKILLS!

My condolences to the child for the low quality upbringing it will receive.

@dystopianfuturetoday

Sorry. What I really mean is down with intelligent parents! Up with parents who predictably raise their kids to be unable to succeed in a cognitively complex 21st century society!

How do you glean that from the video?>> ^chilaxe:

My condolences to the child for the low quality upbringing it will receive.

@longde

There's a cluster of signals in the video that each by themselves wouldn't be enough to make a prediction, but when taken together allow for strong predictions. It has nothing to do with ethnicity, but it has everything to do with culture.

If everybody reading this had to bet money on the odds, they'd bet in accordance with the signals that are detectable in the video. The prospect of losing money suddenly makes people focus on making their best predictions about reality.

Care to expand on what the signals are?>> ^chilaxe:

@longde
There's a cluster of signals in the video that each by themselves wouldn't be enough to make a prediction, but when taken together allow for strong predictions. It has nothing to do with ethnicity, but it has everything to do with culture.
If everybody reading this had to bet money on the odds, they'd bet in accordance with the signals that are detectable in the video. The prospect of losing money suddenly makes people focus on making their best predictions about reality.

@longde

• Obese mother (associated with negative health outcomes for children)
• Mother speaks in a lower class manner. (She says something about "trippin.")
• Mother overall doesn't look intelligent. Her job is probably cognitively simplistic.

• Father speaks in a lower class manner.
• Father's brief visual appearance is consistent or as least doesn't refute the other lower class signals, and the likely low cognitive complexity of his wife the mother of his child lets us to make predictions about him.
• Father's not embarrassed to act lower class in a hospital with his pregnant wife.

None of these things would apply to a sophisticated person like Hermain Cain or Seal.

The future belongs to cognitively complex people. People who don't like to read or improve themselves and have bad values are going to face worse and worse outcomes. Automation and globalization will continue, and being simplistic is no longer of value.

1)I thought you said it was entirely to do with culture, yet you bring up their appearance. And then mention Herman Cain and Seal, which seems like a non sequitur given your claim about culture-only. Are your claims based on race/ethnicity or not?

2)You must be a very skilled specialist if you can determine someone's intelligence and occupation from their appearance. Which phenotypical traits are you referring to to come to such conclusions?

3)So using slang and goofing off in a hospital at a joyous occasion make people lower class? I'll keep that in mind.

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@longde
• Obese mother (associated with negative health outcomes for children)
• Mother speaks in a lower class manner. (She says something about "trippin.")
• Mother overall doesn't look intelligent. Her job is probably cognitively simplistic.
• Father speaks in a lower class manner.
• Father's brief visual appearance is consistent or as least doesn't refute the other lower class signals, and the likely low cognitive complexity of his wife the mother of his child lets us to make predictions about him.
• Father's not embarrassed to act lower class in a hospital with his pregnant wife.
None of these things would apply to a sophisticated person like Hermain Cain or Seal.
The future belongs to cognitively complex people. People who don't like to read or improve themselves and have bad values are going to face worse and worse outcomes. Automation and globalization will continue, and being simplistic is no longer of value.

@longde

I mention Herman Cain and Seal because people are hyper-focused on ethnicity, even if it's a red-herring. For example, if this was a video featuring Asian Americans, nobody would be hyper-sensitive about it.

In business, it's valuable to be able to accurately sum up how a person's mind works within the first few moments of meeting them.

Which phenotypical traits lead you to your conclusions? RE:Mother overall doesn't look intelligent.>> ^chilaxe:

@longde
I mention Herman Cain and Seal because people are hyper-focused on ethnicity, even if it's a red-herring. For example, if this was a video featuring Asian Americans, nobody would be hyper-sensitive about it.
In business, it's valuable to be able to accurately sum up how a person's mind works within the first few moments of meeting them.

I thought Chilaxe was disgusted by them having a hospital birth when they coulda just had their baby at home.

Chilaxe, your words drip heavy with hate. I find it disgusting. Please don't mate.

@longde
The language skills in the uploader's commenting history are below the skill level expected by high-school graduation.

@dystopianfuturetoday
Ha. It's fun to debate sometimes against anti-success stuff, but I understand if people prefer the world stays that way. I wouldn't recommend it considering global trends, but it's a free life

@chilaxe, I never know if you are serious or trolling, but since you admire Cain so much, perhaps it would interest you to know that you would also consider his parents low class and not well educated, who worked 'cognitively simplistic' jobs:

Herman Cain was born in Memphis, Tennessee, to Lenora Davis Cain, a cleaning woman and domestic worker, and Luther Cain, Jr., who was raised on a farm and worked as a barber and janitor, as well as a chauffeur for Coca-Cola Company president Robert W. Woodruff. Cain has said that as he was growing up, his family was "poor but happy." Cain related that his mother taught him about her belief that "success was not a function of what you start out with materially, but what you start out with spiritually". His father worked three jobs to own his own home — something he achieved during Cain's childhood — and to see his two sons graduate.

Also, the uploader is obviously in the Air Force, so he must have at least graduated from high school.

^chlx, You are just rationalizing your bigotry. It might not be obvious to you, but it's clear as day from my vantage point. Look at the hate in that first comment. It's so unnecessary. For most of us, this video inspires joy.

@longde
Most people actively oppose the personality traits that allowed Cain to become successful, so his story isn't likely to be repeated.

Anyway, the point is that bad parenting and bad values make upward mobility less likely.

Society celebrating bad values might cause short-term pleasure, but in the long-term it causes a lot of unhappiness. And global trends are going to make that equation even worse.

Chilaxe has 999 subscriptions to the Ron Paul Newsletter.

@dystopianfuturetoday

The comment was pretty funny. You're just describing what it feels like to disagree with someone, but debates are good and part of life. Post the comment on a video of people celebrating Rush Limbaugh or Justin Bieber instead of a video celebrating bad values, and then you'll see the humor.

The comment also appears to be correct. (Check the uploader's linguistic skills in his commenting history.)

While you were checking out the comments, did you notice that the uploader lists both high school and university education and a job? So, the child has chosen married parents, and an employed and educated father. Although things could still go wrong for him, to me it looks like he's off to a good start.

Aren't educated people allowed to have fun any more? I seem to have missed that memo.
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@dystopianfuturetoday
The comment was pretty funny. You're just describing what it feels like to disagree with someone, but debates are good and part of life. Post the comment on a video of people celebrating Rush Limbaugh or Justin Bieber instead of a video celebrating bad values, and then you'll see the humor.
The comment also appears to be correct. (Check the uploader's linguistic skills in his commenting history.)

When they start indicting us because of our color that means we're indicted before we're born, which is the worst kind of crime that can be committed. -Malcolm X

Good luck little guy, you're gonna need it.

@oritteropo

A 30 year-old preferring language at a lower level than what's expected of a high-schooler doesn't qualify as something to celebrate. Standards, improvement, and accountability do exist in the world.

May I ask why? If the man does his job, and does it well, what does it matter how he chooses to speak within his private sphere, where performance standards don't exist?

The man has done everything he is supposed to do, yet you judge him without knowing him, and when presented the facts still condemn him. Meritocracy?

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@oritteropo
A 30 year-old preferring language at a lower level than what's expected of a high-schooler doesn't qualify as something to celebrate unless we develop 3rd-world standards.
Glossing over things and celebrating under-performance doesn't do anyone any favors, and accountability and improvement are more valuable to the future.

@longde

I'm sorry if this discussion is upsetting to people. I'll stop. Thanks for the discussions, guys.

I'm all in favour of standards, accountability, and improvement. I just don't agree with your conclusion that just because the man doesn't use perfect Oxford English when he talks to his wife, or writes youtube comments, that he is necessarily either unintelligent or likely to be a bad parent.
>> ^chilaxe:

@oritteropo
A 30 year-old preferring language at a lower level than what's expected of a high-schooler doesn't qualify as something to celebrate. Standards, improvement, and accountability do exist in the world.

Chilaxe, you are not upsetting me; I thought we were having a civil conversation as always. I must admit I am a little saddened by your stance; but not your presentation of it. The sift is about differing viewpoints, and our discussion is an example of that.

I am very curious about the underlying reasons you feel this way. Some of your assertions seem to contradict your views of meritocracy.>> ^chilaxe:

@longde
I'm sorry if this discussion is upsetting to people. I'll stop. Thanks for the discussions, guys.

@longde @oritteropo

I think this is a debate between the professional world and the unprofessional world.

Any career adviser would be very clear on this. Using the grammatical knowledge of a 14 year-old makes other people think less of our intelligence. Don't do it.

Note that in every comment in this thread, for example, we're using adult-level grammatical knowledge because we'd be embarrassed to be associated with simplistic mistakes. Doing it on an account that's connected in any way to our real-world identity never occurs in the professional world except among crazy people.

Clearly our perspectives differ. Perhaps things are just different in the U.S., and as I've never worked there I'm not in a good position to comment. Certainly nothing I saw would disqualify someone from a job here, although if the position required good communication skills it would be something to bring up in the interview (CV depending). At least in IT, requiring college level grammar from all candidates whether or not required for the position would lead to such a dramatic shortage of candidates that the whole industry would just grind to a halt!

I do think you're overstating the case when you say it "never happens" except among crazy people, even though your basic point is a good one (i.e. don't do that!). What field do you work in?
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@longde @oritteropo
I think this is a debate between the professional world and the unprofessional world.
Any career adviser would be very clear on this. Using the grammar knowledge of a 14 year-old makes other people think less of our intelligence. Don't do it. Doing it on an account that's connected in any way to our real-world identity never occurs in the professional world except among crazy people.
Perhaps there are multiple perspectives, but from the perspective of the professional world, I believe the videosift community hasn't been realistic in this discussion.

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@oritteropo

I work in Silicon Valley. My social network does include dyslexic techies (not a big deal) and also non-professionals who are never going to do anything with their lives, but I've never known anyone who would write anything this badly after highschool:

Man I'm doing a report on how to cut a fade but when I said this cats fade I was like, Imma get an F if this is a fade! and By the way You plugged my man at the front of the fade. I mean I still see it. jus sayin.

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